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Doesn't feel too good does it? But I'll take "your" suggestion as a good one.
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All newbies should be PL'd ...... by the game creators.
It's called a one time use "level up tokens" and would keep new subscribers.
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I honestly don't care what they do (Other than erasing any of my toons), I just want to see more players in the game.
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Yep. More people.
*Side thought* I would like to see this games population go up up up and have CO launch and have their population dwindle... like all the other "new mmos"...
Is a new game that much of a threat?
I've never understood fanboys fear of change and new games. This isn't a monopoly and CoH definitely shouldn't go without competition.
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specially when the compitition fails miserably.
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specially when the compitition fails miserably.
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Doesn't feel too good does it? But I'll take "your" suggestion as a good one.
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All newbies should be PL'd ...... by the game creators.
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It might if there was an end game to speak of. The end game though is creating new alts and starting over, plus something like that would have to also not count towards unlocking Epic ATs or those that played through would feel cheated. Essentially it would be like a skip the game button, or an unlock epic AT button.
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Doesn't feel too good does it? But I'll take "your" suggestion as a good one.
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All newbies should be PL'd ...... by the game creators.
It's called a one time use "level up tokens" and would keep new subscribers.
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I honestly don't care what they do (Other than erasing any of my toons), I just want to see more players in the game.
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I agree here, and that's one of the reasons I don't like seeing new players powerlevel. If they are just trying to get to Max level as soon as possible and don't get into the arcs or stories then they will likely be dissapionted once they get to 50 or feel that they are done and move on to another game.
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if they want to. It's a game. They should do what they want.
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LOL you have missed the point of this thread. Its one more way for the self righteous to tsk tsk people they don't care for. Reason and tolerance not welcome
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if they want to. It's a game. They should do what they want.
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LOL you have missed the point of this thread. Its one more way for the self righteous to tsk tsk people they don't care for. Reason and tolerance not welcome
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I think you'll find that there are actually very few people in this thread taking the position of abolitionist, saying it should never, ever happen. Most of us are saying it's probably not a good idea, but that ultimately there's nothing we can do about it. Moreover, that it's their game and their sub and they can do as they please.
But, quite frankly, we're allowed to think it's not a good idea. We're allowed to talk about it not being a good idea.
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The Lord of Fire and Pain
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But... but... but..." Argue all you want, it wouldn't matter if you had ten thousand people lined up behind you agreeing with you. The devs and other managers who run this game aren't stupid. They didn't just fall off the MMORPG truck yesterday.
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LOL you have missed the point of this thread. Its one more way for the self righteous to tsk tsk people they don't care for. Reason and tolerance not welcome
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I think you'll find that there are actually very few people in this thread taking the position of abolitionist, saying it should never, ever happen. Most of us are saying it's probably not a good idea, but that ultimately there's nothing we can do about it. Moreover, that it's their game and their sub and they can do as they please.
But, quite frankly, we're allowed to think it's not a good idea. We're allowed to talk about it not being a good idea.
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LOL yes you are. Just as I am free to observe that day by day minute by minute that the game and the forums become ever more populated by people who would think it an honor and a privilege to have the developers show up at their homes and slaughter their families. Don't take that as directed at you but there are more than a few that fit that category
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Well with the way paragon studios seems to be going out of its way to provide CO every advantage imaginable including practically shoving customers their way, I wouldn't be surprised if its a raging success
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I agree here, and that's one of the reasons I don't like seeing new players powerlevel. If they are just trying to get to Max level as soon as possible and don't get into the arcs or stories then they will likely be dissapionted once they get to 50 or feel that they are done and move on to another game.
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Here's a question for you all to chew on- should newbies to CoH/CoV ever Powerlevel?
In my opinion, no. Once you've been playing for a while and understand how the game/archetypes/powersets work, then go ahead and PL.
But if you're new, I don't believe you should be PL'ing. You do yourself and your teammates no favours if you've quickly gotten to a high level and still don't know where the auction house is, how to find the train stations, and such, or how your archetype should function.
Instead, if you're new, take your time. Play through the game's content- what's the point if you skip it all just to hit 50?
Learn how the different archetypes function, what their strengths and weaknesses are. Observe the different powersets in action, note their pros and cons. You don't have to be a master number cruncher, but take the time to understand how enhancements work, how to get around, use the markets and NPC stores, and so on.
In short, learn the game before you even think about PL'ing.
You have friends who've been with the game awhile? Either have them make new characters to play with you, or have them SK you and do some of their missions. The beauty of the SK/Exemplar feature is that people of different levels can play together (minus level restricted zones and TFs).
Of course, with any rule there are a couple of exceptions I can think of:
One might be that the newbie has some supportive real-life friends, or a very supportive SG who help them gain levels quickly, but at the same time are also doing a lot of teaching about game mechanics, playstyles, etc. So the newbie does not end up with a high level character they are clueless about using.
Or if newbie needs to level up a character quickly for a specific purpose (they are in a PVP SG, or their SG needs a few more of a specific AT for things they like to do), and helps the newbie roll a character for that specific purpose and level up, again with lots of teaching along the way.
Aside from those sort of scenarios, newbies should not PL, IMHO.
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The short answer is, "Yes. If they choose to."
It's their time and money - not mine.
What exactly is your complaint? So far I've counted, like... four.
You're pissed off that some of us veterans don't think it's a good idea that a brand new player PL his first few characters instead of experiencing the game first.
You're pissed off that CO seems to have an advantage over CoH, and that somehow the developers have granted this advantage.
You're pissed off that the Devs seem to be maligning the players (a very old complaint, by the way, and one that is largely unfounded if you're attempting to imply that it's deliberate).
You're pissed off that there's no end-game content.
What exactly is the nature of your handicap?
Look, this thread is about whether or not people think that Newbies (new players, new accounts) should powerlevel their character. Not can they, or should they be allowed, but should they, as in, is it not unreccomended that they do so. Some say absolutely, some say never, but most of us are saying "probably not, but it's their dime".
I'm not the forum police, so I'm not going to bother trying to tell you to take your comments elsewhere, you have the same right as anyone else to post whatever you please within the rules of the forum, but you seem to have a number of issues that you feel are important, so you may get better results by having the discussion in a focused way. At the very least by sticking to one complaint at a time.
Quite frankly, I don't know how to respond to you at all, you seem to be this little ball of resentment and bitterness, so I'll just leave you to it, then.
Brother of Markus
The Lord of Fire and Pain
The Legendary Living Hellfire
Fight my brute!
Personally, at 4 months playing , I think PLing is a mistake for newbies to make and advise against it but it's their loss if they do.
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Last thing this game needs is more 50s that have no clue. (OK, not the last think we need, vitriolic anti-farmers spring to mind).
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lolz PvP anymore, Market PvP for fun and profit
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Can I be your friend?
(don't read that as sarcastic, it was the best I could think of short of the hackneyed "/signed")
Infinity and Victory mostly
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someone sound the Hypocrite on Fire alarm.
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I'm actually hoping they don't crash and burn as badly as I expect them to.
A direct, viable competitor for the superhero niche would help keep the devs honest.
Alas, I fear the dead weight of Mister Balance Vision is enough to sink their ship.
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My City Was Gone
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I'm actually hoping they don't crash and burn as badly as I expect them to.
A direct, viable competitor for the superhero niche would help keep the devs honest.
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Yah... I don't trust the guy at all, either. He shoulda stuck to table-top games and Greek mythology. I also fear mightily for Star Trek Online...
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That depends on who's asking.
If we're holding a meeting of the Seekrit Forum Cabal and deciding what the guiding principles of CoH are going to be, then I will say 'It's up to them whether they want to powerlevel or not.'
If you're a newbie, and you're asking me 'should I powerlevel?' then I will say 'I would advise against it, because you'll miss some fun experiences on the way up.'
Just about anything pleasurable in a game is ultimately about fresh experience. At first, the whole journey from 1 to 50 is fresh. On another time round, you might discover zones and missions you hadn't done the first time. The next time round, you might feel that the only freshness was in the type of character you'd chosen to play and how it differed from the others. By that stage, you might well be thinking not about any possible variety in the journey, but about the variety in the character's abilities. That's commonly the point at which people start powerlevelling.
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Doesn't feel too good does it? But I'll take "your" suggestion as a good one.
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QFT
All newbies should be PL'd ...... by the game creators.
It's called a one time use "level up tokens" and would keep new subscribers.
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I honestly don't care what they do (Other than erasing any of my toons), I just want to see more players in the game.