How dare you use his words against him!
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Honestly, I couldn't care less what you do with your toons or how you play the game.
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Wow, that's a quick flip-flop from your previous post, where you stated
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No one should power level. Ever. Period.
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Was just about to quote him, but you beat me to it! STop farming your post count! :P
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How many times can we beat this dead horse with the same damn sticks?!
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Until they break and rot away. Then we just cut down some more trees.
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No one should power level. Ever. Period. Why cheat yourself of the feeling of satisfaction of EARNING your level 50 toon? I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to cheat themselves.
Power leveling? Farming? Why not just pay the folks who'll play your character for you?
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Your ******ity just irritates me. Hows about you pay everyones subscription fee then you can sit there and tell us what to do.
If not... ***U.
I have "earned" 18 level 50s.
I have "PL" 6 level 50s.
Why do you **'n care how I get to lvl 50?
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(heaves heavy sigh) Wow, get defensive much? Honestly, I couldn't care less what you do with your toons or how you play the game. I just don't do it myself because seems like you are giving yourself the short end of the stick with power leveling. Not that it matters but I'd rather get inside of my character and BUILD them even if it takes a lot of time. I've got a few that I really enjoy playing because I've come to know them. Bringing a character up to 50 over a few weeks or even months gives me a sense of satisfaction worth $15 bucks a month.
So do what you want with you 800 level 50 characters, My toons are like old comfortable slippers. And they're all my favorites.
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I see you decided to see my POV and raise me a cheeto.
You can't be wishy washy on these forums! You cant.
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No one should power level. Ever. Period. Why cheat yourself of the feeling of satisfaction of EARNING your level 50 toon? I honestly can't understand why anyone would want to cheat themselves.
Power leveling? Farming? Why not just pay the folks who'll play your character for you?
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Your ******ity just irritates me. Hows about you pay everyones subscription fee then you can sit there and tell us what to do.
If not... ***U.
I have "earned" 18 level 50s.
I have "PL" 6 level 50s.
Why do you **'n care how I get to lvl 50?
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(heaves heavy sigh) Wow, get defensive much? Honestly, I couldn't care less what you do with your toons or how you play the game. I just don't do it myself because seems like you are giving yourself the short end of the stick with power leveling. Not that it matters but I'd rather get inside of my character and BUILD them even if it takes a lot of time. I've got a few that I really enjoy playing because I've come to know them. Bringing a character up to 50 over a few weeks or even months gives me a sense of satisfaction worth $15 bucks a month.
So do what you want with you 800 level 50 characters, My toons are like old comfortable slippers. And they're all my favorites.
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I see you decided to see my POV and raise me a cheeto.
You can't be wishy washy on these forums! You cant.
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Psssssssssssst! Unless you're a Newbie, P_P (which I presume you aren't) then you're not the issue at hand.
It's also very difficult to hold any kind of discussion with a passive aggressive person who seems to be suffering from asperger's syndrome.
I said it earlier. I'll say it again. Newbies shouldn't PL beyond 3-10 levels. They cheat themselves out of content, practice, and tactics. Sure. This game may be 'Easy' to you or anyone else. But each of us is a unique snowflake who's personal abilities and experience will vary.
So sure. SOME Newbs might be able to run a Level 50 character without an issue. Others will be confused by all the power choices, mis-slot everything, and try to make a tanker that is Sup3rm4n. Complete with Superspeed, Super Jump, Flight, and Laser vision.
3-10 levels CAN be okay, in my opinion. But Newblets shouldn't PL more than that.
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Good lord are you people still beating this horse?
Everyone in game seems to have moved on. MA was nerfed as hard as it could be and guess what...farming is still going on. Get over it.
Just to add an example that occurred this evening to emphasize you point (I agree with you 100% BTW... I don't PL myself but have always said there are a 1000 ways to play this game and none is right or wrong). Okay I hooked up with an 8 man team in Brickstown and the first few radio misions went well but then the leader and a couple others said their farewells and logged for the night. That left 5 of us and the next mission up was a Safeguard. Now let's clarify I am playing a 30 level scrapper working on 31 on a team of players the same level as I am. We enter the mission and I have 2 players asking HOW do these things work this is all new to them? A third is whinning about just doing the bank part and getting out because he/she hates these things.
Okay we hit the bank and take out the forces up front and then I head toward the vault and the Boss waiting there. For a while I hold my own but he has a Tsoo Sorceror healing him and eventually I go down wondering where in the HECK my support went? As I lay there dead I see 1 other team member still inside the bank and at one point all 5 of us had been in there. Oh and the one inside with me is at the front door NOT the vault.
I hit the hospital and met up with my "team mates?" at the Arachnos Flyer and we did somehow manage to prevent the robbers from escaping which thankfully was just enough to get me out of debt. The team quickly headed out and I checked BADGES.
Only 1 person on the team, aside from me, had more than 3 months in game and 2 had absolutely no vet badges at all. Aside from me almost no one had any TF or door mission badges but they all had a number of AE badges. The player with 3 months in game, the whinner, had apparently TRIED a KHTF but never completed it (had badges for 5 6 7 and 8 times the victor). In other words they'd managed to PL their way into the high 20s or 30 doing PL farms before the nerf and now were out there TRYING to learn the game. Prior to MA arcs how many players above level 8 didn't know that there is a VILLAIN in the back of the bank trying to break into the vault? This is NOT brain surgery it's simple basic stuff that anyone that actually played the game learned quickly as they went after a Raptor Pack in KR.
If a 60 month Vet with multiple 50 wants to PL that's his business but a BRAND new player to the game needs to LEARN how to play or they are going to get a lot of what they got from me tonight. After we exited the mission and I discovered WHO I was playing with .. I quietly and quickly QUIT the team and went about my business. Debt may be a fact of life in this game but its not one I enjoy and I am certainly not going to play on a team like THAT where its an iron clad gaurentee.
�We�re always the good guys. In D&D, we�re lawful good. In City of Heroes we�re the heroes. In Grand Theft Auto we pay the prostitutes promptly and never hit them with a bat.� � Leonard
�Those women are prostitutes? You said they were raising money for stem cell research!� � Sheldon
I've seen 60 month vet toons that play like a nooblet.
Probably bought the account, or borrowed it from a friend.
-Rachel-
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Good lord are you people still beating this horse?
Everyone in game seems to have moved on. MA was nerfed as hard as it could be and guess what...farming is still going on. Get over it.
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It hasn't been "nerfed as hard as it could be." That won't happen until all rewards are stripped off of AE missions.
I would bet that this is eventually coming, and probably not too far away either, but until then.... they have not done nearly all they can do. But I agree the farming is still going on.
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How many times can we beat this dead horse with the same damn sticks?!
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Apparently, at least one more time.
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Good lord are you people still beating this horse?
Everyone in game seems to have moved on. MA was nerfed as hard as it could be and guess what...farming is still going on. Get over it.
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It hasn't been "nerfed as hard as it could be." That won't happen until all rewards are stripped off of AE missions.
I would bet that this is eventually coming, and probably not too far away either, but until then.... they have not done nearly all they can do. But I agree the farming is still going on.
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Good lord are you people still beating this horse?
Everyone in game seems to have moved on. MA was nerfed as hard as it could be and guess what...farming is still going on. Get over it.
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It hasn't been "nerfed as hard as it could be." That won't happen until all rewards are stripped off of AE missions.
I would bet that this is eventually coming, and probably not too far away either, but until then.... they have not done nearly all they can do. But I agree the farming is still going on.
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That's not true. If your team is inexperienced then it'll suck, but folks who know what they're doing are able to farm at very nice speeds. You won't hit 50 in a day, but you'll earn more than two levels a day.
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That's not true. If your team is inexperienced then it'll suck, but folks who know what they're doing are able to farm at very nice speeds. You won't hit 50 in a day, but you'll earn more than two levels a day.
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I just hit a toon to 50 in one day yesterday. 2 levels a day? that's pretty slow.
I said more than two(I don't play all day and never implied such, at most I play for 5 hours and that's irregular) and you can still hit 50 in a day with a normal pre-MA farm.
Somehow I doubt you'd risk hitting 50 in a day with MA considering you'll be banned. Sounds like a farce to me unless you're really stupid.
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That's not true. If your team is inexperienced then it'll suck, but folks who know what they're doing are able to farm at very nice speeds. You won't hit 50 in a day, but you'll earn more than two levels a day.
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That's not true. If your team is inexperienced then it'll suck, but folks who know what they're doing are able to farm at very nice speeds. You won't hit 50 in a day, but you'll earn more than two levels a day.
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I got 5 levels in yesterday without farming at all, just running regular contacts. And I wasn't powering through either, just running them off and on casually, with frequent breaks.
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I said it earlier. I'll say it again. Newbies shouldn't PL beyond 3-10 levels. They cheat themselves out of content, practice, and tactics.
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I said it earlier, I'll say it again- no they aren't.
All that stuff is STILL THERE after they hit 50 and they can examine it at their leisure.
It's their game, they can play it however they want, in whatever order they want.
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So sure. SOME Newbs might be able to run a Level 50 character without an issue. Others will be confused by all the power choices, mis-slot everything, and try to make a tanker that is Sup3rm4n. Complete with Superspeed, Super Jump, Flight, and Laser vision.
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Which is different from some moron leveling "normally" how, exactly?
Playing a lot of hours doesn't make you smart, information makes you smart. I've teamed with plenty of relative newbies who had things wired and I've teamed with a lot of vets who couldn't draw a straight line if you handed them the ruler.
An interested, engaged player can figure out how to play anything in this game in less time than it takes to roast a chicken. For some people, a thousand hours wouldn't be enough.
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3-10 levels CAN be okay, in my opinion. But Newblets shouldn't PL more than that.
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Wag your finger a little harder, Nanny, I don't think they're paying any attention.
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Should babies drive?
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If they take away the abilities for babies to drive I'm going to quit life. Seriously, 95% of the people using cars were baby drivers. Without them there's no reason to drive anymore...
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Can you quit life? Really? Is that something you can unsubcribe to? because I been a little short on cash recently, if there is another subscription I can cancel, that'd be helpful.
"Where does he get those wonderful toys?" - The Joker
Nethergoat... Did you even notice that you're standing on top of a soapbox pointing fingers at everyone else for being on soapboxes? Wagging your finger at people wagging their fingers?
Just checking.
-Rachel-
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Nethergoat... Did you even notice that you're standing on top of a soapbox pointing fingers at everyone else for being on soapboxes? Wagging your finger at people wagging their fingers?
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I don't care how anyone plays the game (not even you) which leaves me without an audience to lecture and scold.
I'm just mixing with the crowd, heckling the stuffed shirt on the platform trying to impose their definition of 'fun' on the whole world.
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Nethergoat... Did you even notice that you're standing on top of a soapbox pointing fingers at everyone else for being on soapboxes? Wagging your finger at people wagging their fingers?
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I don't care how anyone plays the game (not even you) which leaves me without an audience to lecture and scold.
I'm just mixing with the crowd, heckling the stuffed shirt on the platform trying to impose their definition of 'fun' on the whole world.
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I take this to mean "I make fun of others positions and opinions to make myself feel better, rather than adding to the conversation in question"
Am I close? You're not adding to the conversation. Voice your opinion and be done with it, Nethergoat. Pointing out flaws in others is a waste of typing. And look what you made me do? Several sentences of keystrokes -wasted- to explain that to you.
Disagreeing with me is -fine-. I don't mind if you disagree. Noone should, really. But when you deride others for having an opinion you frustrate and upset people. And that's just not cool.
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I take this to mean "I make fun of others positions and opinions to make myself feel better, rather than adding to the conversation in question"
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Your habit of misinterpreting and misrepresenting positions contrary to your own is so reliable it begins to look intentional.
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Am I close?
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No.
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You're not adding to the conversation. Voice your opinion and be done with it, Nethergoat.
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It's exactly as OK for me to reply to your Fun Police lecture as it is for you to post and re-post it in the first place.
You seem to have a real problem with personal freedom.
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I'm never going to get through to you, but illuminating the rot at the core of your position for others is a worthy use of keystrokes.
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Disagreeing with me is -fine-. I don't mind if you disagree. Noone should, really. But when you deride others for having an opinion you frustrate and upset people. And that's just not cool.
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I treat opinions with all the respect they deserve, no more and no less.
Take the two basic opinions at play in this discussion:
1: People should play the game in whatever way they find enjoyable, within the limits set by the developers.
2: People should play the game the way I think they should because otherwise they're cheating themselves.
#2 wears its ridiculousness like a pink feather headdress.
If you want kinder treatment, come up with a better philosophy.
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Problem is, Goat, that the question at hand isn't AIMED at the developers. It's aimed at players. Asking players opinions. I voiced my opinion on the subject and you've attacked me (repeatedly) for it.
Why?
Either Add to the discussion or don't. But don't waste time standing on your own soapbox lecturing others about standing on soapboxes.
YAY! You think that people should play the game within the Dev's limits. So do I! I also know that within the Devs 'natural' limits a player cannot solo from 1-14 in a day the first time he picks up the game.
Add in a team to powerlevel said newblet and you've gone into the Devs 'allowable but probably unfavorable limits'
Go beyond that into exploitation and you've gone beyond the limits the Devs have put in play.
Opinions were asked for. I gave mine. You ridiculed it. I responded. You ridiculed my response... Will it continue ad nauseum?
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free advice:
Mounting a soapbox to make sanctimonious, absolute declarations is a really bad way to demonstrate indifference & tolerance.
The Nethergoat Archive: all my memories, all my characters, all my thoughts on CoH...eventually.
My City Was Gone