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The reason for this is because at lower levels the people who are receiving most of those heals (besides crazy suicidal blasters) are the tanks and scrappers constantly in the thick of things. As levels progress these two ATs gain more of their defenses and become much more independently survivable. What happens then is most Empaths continue to try and focus on healing in an environment that has shifted to make those heals less necessary while other Empaths shift their focus more towards buffing and blaster support. I was part of the latter group.

Again, the people who only value Empathy for it's heals are the people who are only looking at one side of the coin.

Heh, what's funny about that is I plan to have a green fiery aura once I get my scrapper to lvl 30

I don't think I've outright supported one thing or another. I don't think I really can what with my Spines/Regen scrapper only being lvl 6, and that being the highest I've played /Regen. All I've been doing is asking questions or making counter points in order to get more explanation/information on something I didn't agree with at first.

The best example of this was questioning why you wouldn't want more +regen on a regen oriented set. I now understand why, but at first it seemed awkward to me. Like if you were to make a warrior class in another game it's usually more effective to continue to improve his physical abilities and make him really strong in one field, instead of spreading out his talents and increasing magical abilities as well. Then you end up with a class that's mediocre at two different things rather than really strong at one. That was simply were my logic was coming from about focusing on more +regen. I didn't mean to come off as me trying to claim that adding more +regen was "better" as I was trying to figure out why it wasn't better. Again, I don't think I can confidently say what is or isn't better for Regen since I don't have much experience with the set, I just like to questions things I'm not sure of or don't immediately make sense to me in order to gain a better understanding.

Considering in my long standing time as a gamer and my playstyle revolving around focusing on the main strength of whatever class I've chosen and pushing that single strength as far as it can go, yes I did initially "logically" think increasing regen on a regen set was the way to go. It just seemed like common sense to me.

I don't recall trying to encourage other people that more +regen is the way to go. Again, with my lack of experience with Regen giving advice on the set would be the last thing I'd intend to do.

I've always believed there's more than one way to skin a cat, especially in CoH. I played WoW for 3 years and witnessed many times where people would post a build and the best reply was usually "Nope, it sucks, you'll be gimp. Go look at the cookie-cutter builds and GTFO". I hate that attitude, and I was starting to sense the same vibe coming from you which is probably why I lashed out a bit.

I'm a firm believer that there's more than one way to be "optimal", and it does largely depend on playstyle. What's optimal for you isn't necessarily optimal for me. I've been a believer of that since I first starting playing MMOs.

I didn't say there wasn't any difference, I just said that the difference seemed so minute as to not really make as much of a difference as you're making it out to be, but that's just my observation. I'm not claiming to be "right".

I think the simple problem here Umbral is that 1) you're mistaken as to where exactly I'm coming from, and 2) you expect that because of your experience people are suppose to just follow whatever advice you give without question. I'm not out to "prove you wrong", in fact I never was. As I said I'm just trying to learn and gain more knowledge by questioning what I don't fully understand or what doesn't initially make sense to me, yet every time I do you're there to make me feel like a fool for doing so.

Fair enough. I could easily slot the procs into another passive power like health and get the same benefit, and if you noticed I did say that the extra regen I get from slotting FH to the ED cap was ~70%, the only reason I included the procs was because FH was where I chose to slot them and if I'd choose moving more slots into MoG I would at least lose the Regenerative Tissue proc so I felt it did bear significance.

I don't really get why you would rate Reconstruction/Dull Pain on an hp/sec basis. They're used to refill chunks of HP instantly, so the "regen" you gain is largely irrelevant, though I understand you were merely trying to compare it directly with FH.

Also I honestly find this all a bit petty. You're continuing to argue basically over two slots that are up up in the air between FH and MoG and in the long run don't really matter, yet you act like if I don't go the MoG way my character will be complete crap. It's basically the difference between ~70% regen and ~5 seconds off MoG.

BIG WHOOP

I get that you probably use MoG a lot and therefore feel the need to slot it, but I'm sure there are other people who play regen too and don't rely on it that much, and might not feel the need to put many slots into it, and yet you "/facepalm" at these people...I know it must be hard to believe that there are people out there who have a different playstyle and overall focus than your own, but there are, and I personally believe it's not only rude but also arrogant to look down on them for not doing things the exact same way as you.

If what I just said wasn't true than you would have posted "do what you want" a long time ago and have been done with it, but because you continue to argue for "your way" then I can only come to the conclusion that your trying to force your way of playing down my throat. I've been playing MMOs for over 6 years and one thing I've found is I hate being told how to play. That's not to say I'm not up for advice or suggestions on things, if I wasn't then I wouldn't have made this thread, but the kind of advice you give Umbral leaves people feeling like they have no other option than what you tell them to do. That's not to say that I don't believe you are a very good and intelligent player or that you don't know what you're talking about, I just don't agree with your form of "advice".

Anyway, I think I've gotten what I needed from this thread. Thank you all for your contributions

You say put more emphasis on MoG, others say more on FH. Who is right? neither. It's a matter of personal preference, nothing more, yet you put so much importance on it to where someone asking for advice thinks it's a big enough matter that is enough to make them gimp, when it's not.

Also, you say FH does so little, but when I look on mids' the difference between a no slotted FH and an ED capped FH is about 85% regen, not counting any +regen uniques you might slot in it as well. If you throw in the Numina's and Regenerative Tissue uniques then you're getting close to 200% additional regen from FH alone, and according to my build that's about 1/3 of my total regen. I don't know about you but that doesn't seem very "little" to me.

I wasn't slotting it with defense sets so much because I felt it needed more defense as I was slotting it that way for set bonuses/LotG +rech.

I forgot about those buttons. I guess there is an "on/off" switch for PvP but since I never touch that button I'm pretty sure it's always set to PvE

*shrug* I'm a recharge junkie. I like to have my abilities back up and ready as soon as possible for the most part. That's just how I like to play.

Perhaps those people had a different goal in mind? Survival isn't the only way to play a scrapper. In fact, in most cases I would only classify survival as top priority if you want to mostly solo or plan to play in a group that doesn't regularly have a tanker. Not saying I don't value survival, I'm just saying it isn't the only way to play.

Yeah, I did slot Oblits instead and I do reach the 5 set max pretty easily, so I switched BU to GSC, lots of pretty defense bonuses

Fair enough. It just seemed to me that you weren't so much giving me advice as you were giving me orders and telling me how to play, and I guess I just take offense to that though that may not have been your intentions and if so then I'm mistaken and I apologize.

See this right here is why I'm apprehensive to ask for advice at times because I end up getting completely different advice about the same things. So far I've been told to not slot FH, then I get told to slot FH. I get told not to bother slotting MoG, then I get told to slot MoG. I end up more confused than when I first started...

But yeah that's a nice little boost

I thought I was using Performance Shifter

Hmmm...

I might have been a little harsh in that last post, but it's really frustrating for me to get advice, put a build together based on that advice, and then be told the build is total garbage...

Plus it just seems totally and utterly ridiculous that a set built around regeneration doesn't want more regeneration...it's just totally illogical and sorry but I'm a logical person.

I was not aware there was an "on/off" switch for PvP.

Sorry for trying to play to the set's strengths. Adding two and two together you'd logically assume a regeneration set would benefit from more regeneration...

Not sure how simply reaching the recharge ED cap in a long recharge power is considered "overkill", but ok.

Well based on what other people have posted in the thread you can get by just fine with 1 slot.

Umm..that's a not a +def bonus that's a +rech bonus, you know the bonuses that have the highest priority?

Again, because of Regeneration being a regeneration set I figured a power that partially increases regen should partially be enhanced for regen, but I guess based on your feedback I should just throw logic to the wind. Plus it's not like I didn't enhance it at all with endurance...

Noted, and just for future reference...you came on a little strong.

...I don't PvP

Yeah Pyre Mastery would be good but it would severely clash with my concept, and for me concept is more important. My guy is basically a bio-organic, plant/insect/human hybrid....thing, and as we all know fire + plants/insects = bad (have any of you even played pokemon? Fire is super effective vs. plant/bug! )

QR + PP not enough?

I was going to make a Spines/Regen scrapper.

I just tried making another build using similar criteria to your build Claws and it works fine, though I'm not exactly sure how since I wasn't really doing anything different before

Oh well, thanks.

*double-checks* hmm, I don't appear to be in the WoW forums...

Heh, yeah. When I16 first came out and I looked at Dark SS I thought "wow, that kinda looks darker than...dark melee "

According to mids' Ice gets about 52% defense debuff resistance.

Yeah, on paper Jacob's Ladder looks like it should be a lot better than Havoc Punch, but I've played a little bit with it as well and I don't really like it either. It says it only has a 0.17 slower animation time than Havoc but I swear it feels more like a 2s attack at least. I'd also say the reason melee cones can be hard to work with is the range. You try to get 3 or 4 guys lined up for it and target the one farthest away like you'd do with any other cone, but that guy just always seems to be a hair outside the range of the attack, so you try to push a little closer and you end up nudging out the other guys you had in range and end up only hitting 1 or 2 when you could've hit 3 or 4.

Of course, JL is pure energy damage which is nice, while Havoc is energy/smashing, but I can't stand using JL as a single target attack, accidentally or intentionally; just feels like wasting the attack to me. I'd go with Havoc.

Don't forget Stone melee. I have a lvl 36 SD/SM tanker and the mitigation offered via Stone melee's AoE knockdowns (Fault and Tremor) is very nice, and they recharge pretty quick too so a spawn ends up being on their butts for a good portion of the time. I think Fire/Stone would make a pretty good combo.

I was thinking of making an Ice/ tanker myself for a few reasons. It's a pretty rare tanking set to find, most likely because people either A) don't like how Ice armor looks, and B) because some people are turned off by a (mostly) pure defense set. I think the main reason I want to make one though is because back when I first started playing the first TF I ran (Synapse) we had a lvl 50 ice tanker with us, and she was AMAZING. She'd run ahead and herd up at least 2 spawns at the same time for us and we'd tear them down with AoE. I was very impressed.

I've played the support role in many other MMOs along with CoX and one important trait I've developed that really helps when playing this role is to play preemptively instead of reactively. Many times if you wait until after something happens to react it's already too late, but if you can see it coming ahead of time you can respond a lot quicker.


You might also want to take note of any melee oriented blasters (blappers as they're sometimes called) on your team as well, and prioritize them for fort since they'll be in melee range a lot like the scrappers but won't have near the same level of survivability due to not having much in the way of defense. Most "blapper" blasters are usually /Elec or /Energy due to those secondaries having the strongest melee attacks, so that's something to keep in mind when you find one on your team.

I kinda wanna remake my Empath now... xD