Shield Defence is a good pair, I think; ELM has a heavy AOE-aspect to it, and SD is definitely the damage-stacking and AOE-focused primary. ELM/SD Brutes seem popular (I certainly enjoy mine.)
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Originally Posted by Rylas
I've been meaning to give ELM a try, since it's one of the few secondaries I've played all the way through. But having no experience with it, I was wondering what other Tanker fanatics have found to be a good primary to go with it.
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Willpower/Electric sounds promising also. You can probably postpone Stamina a bit longer than I usually do. The splash damage should help you hold the attention of more mobs at a time.
I also considered Fire/Electric. That would also be an offense oriented, AoE based character. I went with Shield instead b/c defense currently trumps resistance in PvE.
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Wp/Elec is very fun. I did end up picking Stamina a bit earlier than my WP/SS, but that was due to me soloing more and wanting a quick attack chain.
I am having a blast with ice//elec level 45 currently, but ice does not suit everyones taste, but it is certianly one of my favorites
Hmm... I think I'll be going Shield/. Any suggested skippable attacks?
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On my shield/electric tanker, I skipped Havoc Punch in favor of Jacob's Ladder. Not sure I would do this the same way again; despite being a slightly wider cone on paper, it seems to be even harder to hit more than one target with Jacob's Ladder than it is with Shadow Maul. Not sure why.|
Originally Posted by Rylas
Hmm... I think I'll be going Shield/. Any suggested skippable attacks?
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I also skipped Lightning Clap, of course.
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Yeah, on paper Jacob's Ladder looks like it should be a lot better than Havoc Punch, but I've played a little bit with it as well and I don't really like it either. It says it only has a 0.17 slower animation time than Havoc but I swear it feels more like a 2s attack at least. I'd also say the reason melee cones can be hard to work with is the range. You try to get 3 or 4 guys lined up for it and target the one farthest away like you'd do with any other cone, but that guy just always seems to be a hair outside the range of the attack, so you try to push a little closer and you end up nudging out the other guys you had in range and end up only hitting 1 or 2 when you could've hit 3 or 4.|
Originally Posted by Heraclea
On my shield/electric tanker, I skipped Havoc Punch in favor of Jacob's Ladder. Not sure I would do this the same way again; despite being a slightly wider cone on paper, it seems to be even harder to hit more than one target with Jacob's Ladder than it is with Shadow Maul. Not sure why.
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Of course, JL is pure energy damage which is nice, while Havoc is energy/smashing, but I can't stand using JL as a single target attack, accidentally or intentionally; just feels like wasting the attack to me. I'd go with Havoc.
For lower levels I think Jacobs Ladder is the better choice. Later on, when your AoE attack chain is more developed, I can see dropping it. I prefer it myself, never have a hard time hitting at least 2 mobs.
Thanks for all the input, everybody. I put together a little build for SD/ELM focusing on the soft-cap, and tons of HP. With accolades, I can get pretty close to the HP cap. Thoughts? Concerns?
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AoEasy: Level 50 Science Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(3), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(3), S'dpty-Def(36)
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(7), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(7), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(9), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 2: Battle Agility -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(5), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(5), S'dpty-Def(36)
Level 4: Jacobs Ladder -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(9), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg(13), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg(13), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(15), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 6: Active Defense -- HO:Membr(A), HO:Membr(17), HO:Membr(17)
Level 8: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 10: Combat Jumping -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(11), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), S'dpty-Def(46)
Level 12: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I(A)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(A), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(48), Mrcl-Heal(48)
Level 18: True Grit -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), ResDam-I(19), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx(19), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(23), Mrcl-Heal(23), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(25)
Level 20: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(21), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21), Efficacy-EndMod(48), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(50)
Level 22: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 24: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Rchg(25), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(34), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(36)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(27), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(27), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(29), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31)
Level 28: Thunder Strike -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(31), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(31), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(33), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(33)
Level 30: Boxing -- Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Mako-Dmg/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 32: Tough -- TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(34), TtmC'tng-ResDam(34)
Level 35: Chain Induction -- S'ngH'mkr-Acc/Dmg(A), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx(37), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/Rchg(37), S'ngH'mkr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 38: Lightning Rod -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(39), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(39), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(40), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 41: Weave -- S'dpty-Def/EndRdx(A), S'dpty-Def/Rchg(42), S'dpty-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(42), S'dpty-Def(42)
Level 44: Grant Cover -- EndRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(50), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 5.19% Defense(Melee)
- 7.69% Defense(Ranged)
- 6.13% Defense(AoE)
- 7.2% Max End
- 5% Enhancement(Heal)
- 21% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 491.9 HP (26.3%) HitPoints
- 5% (0.08 End/sec) Recovery
- 26% (2.03 HP/sec) Regeneration
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This is the build I went with; it's all in place except for the Luck of the Gamblers. I am well pleased with the results.
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Yansan: Level 50 Mutation Tanker
Primary Power Set: Shield Defense
Secondary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Deflection -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(15), ResDam-I:50(42), ResDam-I:50(42)
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(13), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(37), T'Death-Dam%:40(37)
Level 2: True Grit -- Heal-I:50(A), Heal-I:50(9), Heal-I:50(11), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(15), ImpArm-ResDam:40(43), ImpArm-ResPsi:40(43)
Level 4: Jacobs Ladder -- Erad-Acc/Rchg:30(A), Erad-Dmg:30(5), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:30(5), C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg:50(13), C'ngBlow-Acc/Rchg:50(36), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx:50(37)
Level 6: Active Defense -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(7), RechRdx-I:50(7)
Level 8: Against All Odds -- EndRdx-I:50(A), Taunt-I:50(43)
Level 10: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Mrcl-Heal:40(17), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(17), RgnTis-Regen+:30(46)
Level 18: Thunder Strike -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(19), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(25), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(25), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod:50(21), P'Shift-End%:50(21)
Level 22: Battle Agility -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(23), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(34)
Level 24: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(36), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(36), Mocking-Rchg:50(42)
Level 26: Shield Charge -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(27), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(27), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(31), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), RechRdx-I:50(50)
Level 28: Chain Induction -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg:50(29), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(33), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34)
Level 30: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(31), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(31), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 32: One with the Shield -- Aegis-Psi/Status:50(A)
Level 35: Phalanx Fighting -- DefBuff-I:50(A)
Level 38: Lightning Rod -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(39), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(39), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(39), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(40), RechRdx-I:50(40)
Level 41: Boxing -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg:50(A)
Level 44: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam:40(45), RctvArm-EndRdx:40(46)
Level 47: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(48), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg:50(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(48)
Level 49: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(50), RechRdx-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 2.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 9.56% Defense(Smashing)
- 9.56% Defense(Lethal)
- 6.44% Defense(Fire)
- 6.44% Defense(Cold)
- 10.2% Defense(Energy)
- 10.2% Defense(Negative)
- 3% Defense(Psionic)
- 10.5% Defense(Melee)
- 8.94% Defense(Ranged)
- 9.88% Defense(AoE)
- 3.6% Max End
- 27.5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 34% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 10% FlySpeed
- 147.6 HP (7.88%) HitPoints
- 10% JumpHeight
- 10% JumpSpeed
- MezResist(Held) 5.5%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 6.05%
- MezResist(Sleep) 4.95%
- MezResist(Stun) 4.95%
- 8.5% (0.14 End/sec) Recovery
- 30% (2.35 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 2.84% Resistance(Fire)
- 2.84% Resistance(Cold)
- 8.5% Resistance(Psionic)
- 10% RunSpeed
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Ninjitsu
Woops, wrong archtype for ninjitsu.
Dark/Elec might make a good angry storm cloud.
Shield/Elec is obviously a good combo - though perhaps a bit too common now.
I've been meaning to give ELM a try, since it's one of the few secondaries I've played all the way through. But having no experience with it, I was wondering what other Tanker fanatics have found to be a good primary to go with it.
I know ELA could stack the -end with it, but I'm about to finish taking an ELA/SM tank to 50 and would prefer to level up something else. Any suggestions?
@Rylas
Kill 'em all. Let XP sort 'em out.