Asking "Gambit" be unbanned for MA mission titles
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Posted on: 2009-03-19 24:18 in The Global Training Room Test Server
Yeah, facial is a "profane" word unfortunately. The game CoH borrowed its "bad word" list from apparently had a much larger pottymouth problem than CoH does. 
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a Mary Kay facial.
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Not a whole lot of people name their kid "God". At least I wouldn't think so.
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True story, when I first heard of that, I managed to find a way to input it into my company's application and wiped out our test server. 
If someone already pointed this out, I apologize in advance, but I found something to make all the '5th Column removal conspiracy' fans out there go slightly abuzz:
'Nazi' is considered a 'bad' word by the mission editor. Now, last time I checked, that isn't swearing. That's like saying 'Spetznaz' or 'Greenpeace' are bad words, when they're just titles for groups of people- which makes it look as if CoH/CoV has a problem specifically with Nazi content, which (unless I recall incorrectly, it was a long time ago,) is something they specifically said had nothing to do with pulling the 5th Column out of the game. I feel like someone should have put out a press release way back then saying:
"Oh, we just HAPPENED to remove the 5th Column at the exact same time that we released the game in Europe. Yeah- that's the ticket. Oh, and any future references to them will be retroactively changed to 'Council' instead of '5th Column'. Oh, and if the 5th Column ever DO come back, we're just going to call them Italians. But hey- it's all coincidence. Did we mention that Nazi is a bad word? No? Well it is."
...So, I guess Indiana Jones fought the 'Gosh Darn Heckzis'?
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My goodness, this really complicates things... I started on the MA a couple days ago and found it to be spectacular with it's endless possibilities. However, this banned name business isn't going to help. I'll hold my tongue until the finished product is out but this is something they must fix. Otherwise we will have stuff like this:
The Bad Guy Called Tkfnhsi and his crew of Ghjcrud(s)
Not my idea of a good time...
I believe that the 'Nazi' issue has something to do with Germany and the rules that Germany has towards the use of the word. Someone from Germany can probably shead some light on this.
-Reddof
I think it's banned because they got tired of the Nazi Superheros.
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I was making a story with humans that are converted to robots using nanobot technology... well I described them as having oddly human facial ticks.
Turns out "facial" is banned... looks like women/men can't go to a salon or get a Mary Kay facial.
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It actually turned an innocuous sentence into a profane one, for me. I was telling a motherly friend of mine about someone's "facial structure", and it sounded like I was talking about the structure of their privates.
Imagine calling a woman a real "thunder cracker" to describe her strong and bold personality. Suddenly a compliment is interpreted as the worst possible thing you can call a woman.
Censoring words that are harmless 95% of the time ensures that they appear profane far more than they actually are.
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I believe that the 'Nazi' issue has something to do with Germany and the rules that Germany has towards the use of the word. Someone from Germany can probably shead some light on this.
-Reddof
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Urban myth. Been debunked on the boards a dozen times or more.
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Oh, and if the 5th Column ever DO come back, we're just going to call them Italians.
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Requiem (founder of the 5th Column, now ranking member of the Council) is a Nictus fused with the Italian Ridolfo Uzzano, who worked for Mussolini.
Maestro (ranking member of the 5th Column, ranking member of the Council) is Vincenzo Alferi.
The Center (leader of the Council) is Paolo Tirelli, previously an Italian dignitary.
The Council and the 5th Column both have strong Italian presence. I don't know where you're getting "We're gonna call the 5th Italians", since... they're not being called Italians.
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Yeah, I too hate that the word 'Nazi(s)' is banned. Had to use 'World War II rejects' in my arc - definitely not the same impact.
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Can the system only handle one set of filters at a time? It seems it would make sense, if say, "Name" dialog boxes were filtered in the same manner creating a character name was filtered...and subsequently, text boxes were filtered to be equal with say, the forums.
You're of course going to run into tasteless people but are you seriously so concerned about less than 10% of the probable usage base that the other 90% has to suffer? Unfortunately, as society, that seems to be the case.
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I believe that the 'Nazi' issue has something to do with Germany and the rules that Germany has towards the use of the word. Someone from Germany can probably shead some light on this.
-Reddof
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Urban myth. Been debunked on the boards a dozen times or more.
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Yeah, there's nothing illegal about the use of the word in Germany.
Strangely, however, the word "Nazi" is used in the Paragon history on the US, UK, and French sites, but on the German site, the word "Faschisten" (which just means "fascist") is used instead. (On a side note, why is the Introduction page not on any of the foreign sites, including the UK one which it doesn't even need to be translated for?)
Of course, what the hell does any of that have to do with the English language filter when Germany has its own German-language server? No, it's not about Germany. It's about the language filter being filled with dumb stuff that's not offensive in the vast majority of uses.
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I feel like someone should have put out a press release way back then saying:
"Oh, we just HAPPENED to remove the 5th Column at the exact same time that we released the game in Europe. Yeah- that's the ticket. Oh, and any future references to them will be retroactively changed to 'Council' instead of '5th Column'. Oh, and if the 5th Column ever DO come back, we're just going to call them Italians. But hey- it's all coincidence. Did we mention that Nazi is a bad word? No? Well it is."
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Because if the conspiracy theory *was* true and they *had* changed it because of the European launch, they couldn't just come out and say "yeah, we're releasing the game in Europe, and our lawyers/marketers told us that a game with Nazis wouldn't be very well received there, so we're changing some stuff". Because... well, why say the truth when you can construct a web of lies and deception that you'll have to keep up for years afterwards?
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I feel like someone should have put out a press release way back then saying:
"Oh, we just HAPPENED to remove the 5th Column at the exact same time that we released the game in Europe. Yeah- that's the ticket. Oh, and any future references to them will be retroactively changed to 'Council' instead of '5th Column'. Oh, and if the 5th Column ever DO come back, we're just going to call them Italians. But hey- it's all coincidence. Did we mention that Nazi is a bad word? No? Well it is."
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Because if the conspiracy theory *was* true and they *had* changed it because of the European launch, they couldn't just come out and say "yeah, we're releasing the game in Europe, and our lawyers/marketers told us that a game with Nazis wouldn't be very well received there, so we're changing some stuff". Because... well, why say the truth when you can construct a web of lies and deception that you'll have to keep up for years afterwards?
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What web? They'd only need to say "it was done for story reasons". No web needed. It would even be true, because they'd have constructed a story reason for it after deciding that they needed to remove Nazis from the game. It would be much like how management at my last two jobs insisted that I claim we were "multi-homed" to customers, which implied redundant upstream connections with failover, when we didn't actually have any failover whatsoever, but was still technically true. That kind of stuff happens all the time in business. It's like when CoH had a crisis of sorts in 2003 resulting in Rick Dakan (the guy who came up with the idea for CoH in the first place and founded the company with Michael Lewis) being fired as Lead Designer and rehired on a contract basis as a writer, Jack was given Rick's old job as Lead Designer, and Michael Lewis stepped in as CEO to try to straighten everything out. These events are publicly known and documented on forbes.com and gamasutra, and though everything worked out for Cryptic, CoH, and us in the end, they are not events filled with hugs and cookies, they are events filled with resignations, firings, and the initial investor forced to drop out of UCLA to straighten the company out. But look at Jack's happy fuzzy version.
This is all hypothetical (I mean the conspiracy, not the 2003 events at Cryptic), of course. But I had to respond because I'm thrilled to see the more plausible "lawyers/marketers" version being argued against instead of the typical "it wuz illegals in germany" strawman.
Don't take this as an agreement with his post. Requiem was Italian and was associated with Il Duce at release, and the 5th still have their German names, so no, they aren't being "called Italians", and that's ridiculous.
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I believe that the 'Nazi' issue has something to do with Germany and the rules that Germany has towards the use of the word. Someone from Germany can probably shead some light on this.
-Reddof
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Urban myth. Been debunked on the boards a dozen times or more.
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Yeah, there's nothing illegal about the use of the word in Germany.
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Is it possible to get links referencing this, please? Not that *I* doubt this (and, in fact, have been arguing this), it's that I happen to be having this argument with someone else, and my search fu is very weak.
I found links indicating that it's still illegal to sell paraphernalia with Nazi symbolism on it in Germany, but that's not quite the same thing.
Thank you.
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Yeah, there's nothing illegal about the use of the word in Germany.
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Is it possible to get links referencing this, please? Not that *I* doubt this (and, in fact, have been arguing this), it's that I happen to be having this argument with someone else, and my search fu is very weak.
I found links indicating that it's still illegal to sell paraphernalia with Nazi symbolism on it in Germany, but that's not quite the same thing.
Thank you.
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Well, here's the Wikipedia article on it for a starter. It's about imagery, not the word itself. I know you can find the exact German wording of the law on the internet if you search for it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._games#Germany
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If I'm reading this right...it's only illegal to have games that show swastikas or Hitler...punching Nazi's is fine.
Where laws restrict expression you also have to look for chilling effects.
For example, the display of certain areas of skin of certain people in certain contexts on certain media is prohibited in virtually all jurisdictions--some jurisdictions allow more than others!--but you can bet a lot of people cover up more than they specifically need to, just to make sure they don't have to go through the hassle of an arrest and trial. Sure, it's probably legal to sell Gray's Anatomy to med students in Dubai, but do you really want to take the chance?
In other words, if a law doesn't specifically prohibit an expression, it still might be having a chilling effect if it's prohibiting a related type of expression.
I always thought Germans were sticklers for "letter of the law" and not "spirit of the law".
Me I tryed the name Fairchild and it was blocked. It wasn't even a major character just one you save Amanda fay is what she's named now.
Why I tryed Fairchild first simple it sounded nice with Amanda and was a name that poped up on a Sir Name list that I liked.
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Me I tryed the name Fairchild and it was blocked. It wasn't even a major character just one you save Amanda fay is what she's named now.
Why I tryed Fairchild first simple it sounded nice with Amanda and was a name that poped up on a Sir Name list that I liked.
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Fairchild is a character in the Image title, 'Gen13'.
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I'd like for "archangel" to be removed from the list of banned words as well.
Another word I came upon that cannot be used is "ultimate" and I think it's a really fantastic word to use!
I was making a story with humans that are converted to robots using nanobot technology... well I described them as having oddly human facial ticks.
Turns out "facial" is banned... looks like women/men can't go to a salon or get a Mary Kay facial.
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