Asking "Gambit" be unbanned for MA mission titles
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Posted on: 2009-03-19 24:18 in The Global Training Room Test Server
You can't say [censored] sword, but you can refer to a group of people as bastards. Funny stuff.
This seems like a decent place to ask: any idea what is wrong with using the word "amalgam" as part of a creature name? It wasn't the rest of the name, it accepted it when I replaced amalgam with hybrid, and the one extra letter shouldn't have put me over the character limit.
Edit: Wikipedia to the . . . rescue? Apparently there is a marvel character by that name. I'd never heard of her, unsurprisingly since as far as I can tell she showed up in only one issue.
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Be thankful this wasn't the PSO system of banning words. XD
Let's ban three words that are used as names of items in the game XD.
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Be thankful this wasn't the PSO system of banning words. XD
Let's ban three words that are used as names of items in the game XD.
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Phoenix is a mythical creature that's been around for a LONG time, since the Egyptian times. It's also the name of a city and various sporting groups. Kinda hard to call that one "copyrighted."
Gambit, however, is a little more of a clear cut case. It's a word, no special history applied to it. A chess tactic, a sacrifice to obtain a better position. Pretty much able to be copyrighted as a name for somebody, but not as a word. Still, that's what we have the "Report for objectionable content" button for.
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You misunderstand copyright law. For example, "wolverine" is the name of an animal and cannot be owned by any company for commercial purposes. However, it is indeed owned within the restrictive domain of a comic superhero. So if you want to create a store called "Wolverine Groceries" you could and there's no infringement, but if you want to create a superhero named Wolverine, that's trouble. It's that type of domain restriction that makes it OK for one company to own the name Pioneer Electronics and another to own Pioneer Chicken. No possible market confusion.
So the use of both Pheonix and Gambit are protected when it comes to superhero characters, but not other uses.
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Exactly. Copyright and trademark rights are often confused in exactly that way. Which is bad, because they're very broad in opposite ways, and very limited in opposite ways.
Copyright: Broad rights to restrict almost any conceivable use of a work, even non-commercial uses. Limitation: Only whole artistic works can be copyrighted.
Trademark: Can claim rights to any piece of information no matter how minute: a word, name, letter, number, shape, design, color, sound, smell, etc. Limitation: Can only restrict use of your mark within the scope of your own business, and cannot restrict non-commercial use of your mark. (See also Marvel vs. NCSoft, in which the charges that CoH players infringed Marvel's trademarks by using Marvel names and/or likenesses were dismissed because Marvel did not -- and likely could not -- plead the players used them commercially.)
Simplification, yes, but good enough for this thread.
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(See also Marvel vs. NCSoft, in which the charges that CoH players infringed Marvel's trademarks by using Marvel names and/or likenesses were dismissed because Marvel did not -- and likely could not -- plead the players used them commercially.)
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
There were a variety of reasons, sure, but the actual stated reason for dismissing the indirect trademark infringement charges was (citations omitted, emphasis is the court's own):
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Plaintiffs allege that users of Defendants' game create character names that infringe upon Plaintiffs' registered trademarks. However, Plaintiff has not alleged that the game users are using these names in commerce in connection with any sale or advertising of goods or services.... Therefore, Plaintiffs have failed to state a claim for contributory infringement of a registered trademark.
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This isn't a big surprise, because use in commerce in connection with sale or advertising is an absolutely required element of a trademark infringement claim. We as players don't typically use our in-game names to sell or advertise anything. And that'll be true of our Mission Architect content, too.
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Phoenix is a mythical creature that's been around for a LONG time, since the Egyptian times. It's also the name of a city and various sporting groups. Kinda hard to call that one "copyrighted."
Gambit, however, is a little more of a clear cut case. It's a word, no special history applied to it. A chess tactic, a sacrifice to obtain a better position. Pretty much able to be copyrighted as a name for somebody, but not as a word. Still, that's what we have the "Report for objectionable content" button for.
Edited slightly for clarity... I guess.
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You misunderstand copyright law. For example, "wolverine" is the name of an animal and cannot be owned by any company for commercial purposes. However, it is indeed owned within the restrictive domain of a comic superhero. So if you want to create a store called "Wolverine Groceries" you could and there's no infringement, but if you want to create a superhero named Wolverine, that's trouble. It's that type of domain restriction that makes it OK for one company to own the name Pioneer Electronics and another to own Pioneer Chicken. No possible market confusion.
So the use of both Pheonix and Gambit are protected when it comes to superhero characters, but not other uses.
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Ya, that's pretty much what I said in my post from the start, just not as verbosely. I said it can be copyrighted as names, but not as a word. Meaning, Marvel can copyright the Cajun character with the ability to charge objects and throw them, etc. with the name Gambit, but can't copyright the word.
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Phoenix is a mythical creature that's been around for a LONG time, since the Egyptian times. It's also the name of a city and various sporting groups. Kinda hard to call that one "copyrighted."
Gambit, however, is a little more of a clear cut case. It's a word, no special history applied to it. A chess tactic, a sacrifice to obtain a better position. Pretty much able to be copyrighted as a name for somebody, but not as a word. Still, that's what we have the "Report for objectionable content" button for.
Edited slightly for clarity... I guess.
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You misunderstand copyright law. For example, "wolverine" is the name of an animal and cannot be owned by any company for commercial purposes. However, it is indeed owned within the restrictive domain of a comic superhero. So if you want to create a store called "Wolverine Groceries" you could and there's no infringement, but if you want to create a superhero named Wolverine, that's trouble. It's that type of domain restriction that makes it OK for one company to own the name Pioneer Electronics and another to own Pioneer Chicken. No possible market confusion.
So the use of both Pheonix and Gambit are protected when it comes to superhero characters, but not other uses.
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Ya, that's pretty much what I said in my post from the start, just not as verbosely. I said it can be copyrighted as names, but not as a word. Meaning, Marvel can copyright the Cajun character with the ability to charge objects and throw them, etc. with the name Gambit, but can't copyright the word.
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But it isn't any copyright that blocks use of the name, it's Trademark - while somewhat similar, it is a very distinct and very different thing.
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But it isn't any copyright that blocks use of the name, it's Trademark - while somewhat similar, it is a very distinct and very different thing.
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Actually, what blocks the use of the name is a text filter made by the CoH devs.
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But it isn't any copyright that blocks use of the name, it's Trademark - while somewhat similar, it is a very distinct and very different thing.
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Actually, what blocks the use of the name is a text filter made by the CoH devs.
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Question >.< Why is "Crap" filtered? <;_;> It seems like such a harmless word. Is there a meaning beyond "poo" I'm not getting?
I've resorted to lots and lots of @%#! type swears, since I can't even use crap. It actually makes my characters sound even more foulmouthed <'x'>;;
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I ran into the same thing. Wanted to have a hostage say "Oh crap, oh crap, oh crap, oh crap" while being held by the villain group, but the MA blocked it.
It would be nice if the MA language filter didn't kick in until you decided to Publish the mission. That way you could run custom missions with groups of friends and be as foulmouthed as you want (but not get any drops or other rewards). If you're foolish enough to run one of those with a random PuGgy with delicate sensibilities and they get offended, they can report your mission for stabbing their virgin eyes with sharp pointy words.
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While your fixing the filter add Firestorm to it.
I have a character form live named 'Atsuchi Firestorm' (Take a guess as to his powers) Firestorm seems to have been blocked.
How about just removing all superhero names and rely on players to report actual offenses?
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It would be nice if the MA language filter didn't kick in until you decided to Publish the mission. That way you could run custom missions with groups of friends and be as foulmouthed as you want (but not get any drops or other rewards). If you're foolish enough to run one of those with a random PuGgy with delicate sensibilities and they get offended, they can report your mission for stabbing their virgin eyes with sharp pointy words.
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I created a new arc and typed the word Crap, all by its lonesome, into the very first edit field. BOOM! The whole game comes crashing down.
The censor is apparently running in the background all the time. A lot of people are complaining about poor performance just editing their story, and this may be the reason.
The censor shouldn't be run until each edit field is "done" -- that is, that field loses the focus. That would accomplish the goal of giving you immediate feedback on publishing errors, without doing a letter by letter check. It would probably be more efficient, and less bug-prone (background processing and multithreading is always tricky).
They want to avoid giving a hundred errors when you publish the mission, so deferring the checks till publishing is probably not an option.
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Wanted to have a hostage say "Oh crap, oh crap, oh crap, oh crap" while being held by the villain group, but the MA blocked it.
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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt
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I would like to add 'Sentry' to the list of names to be removed from the ban list.
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I agree, I was gonna have 2 types of minions, on called Guard and another called Sentry. But now all are Guards.
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Be thankful this wasn't the PSO system of banning words. XD
Let's ban three words that are used as names of items in the game XD.
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Close, at one time the badge title "safecracker" was banned.
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How about just removing all superhero names and rely on players to report actual offenses?
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Because people who think fandom is a crime are dimwits.
I'm 100% with you on taking the trademarked name filter out. I disagree only that there's a need to replace it with something similar. It's simply unnecessary. Just get rid of it.
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Because people who think fandom is a crime are dimwits.
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That is the opinion most people have of Marvel's litigation stance.
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Wanted to have a hostage say "Oh crap, oh crap, oh crap, oh crap" while being held by the villain group, but the MA blocked it.
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Y'know, I haven't really watched much Lupin. No, the hostage in question is the one in my published arc, "The Other Side of the Screen" (no Arc ID right now, I'm at work so I can't get to the game). And really he would've been using stronger language than "crap" but the four-letter word for excrement that I wanted to use is definitely blocked by the filter, so I wasn't going to bother trying to use it.
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They want to avoid giving a hundred errors when you publish the mission, so deferring the checks till publishing is probably not an option.
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You certainly wouldn't want it to defer all the error checking until the end, and I can agree that it would be good to have it check when the text field loses focus. What I'm thinking though is to have language filter errors be more Warnings, where the mission won't publish so long as there are naughty words in it, but you can still Test it with a group (assuming there are no actual show-stopper errors).
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Arc ID 339466 - Rescue the Lorebreakers
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Something seriously needs to be done with the text filter in this game. You can't use the word God but Jesus is just fine.
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You can use Gods as in the plural.
Just make all your contacts into nice polytheists and everything will be fine!
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