Issue 14: Architect Discussion

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You can already very easily get the maps of enemies needed by repeatedly using oroborous. With that in existence, I again so no need for the devs to make it easier to farm when they haven't put a lock down on the farming they don't like.

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the devs must love farming then, as someone stated a few posts up --- no xp gain = uber farming.

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Actually that was a direct response to folks complaining they out leveled arcs and would have debt cap themselves to not out level them.

EDIT: Regardless would be silly for them to allow players to BUILD THEIR OWN FARM MAPS.

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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!

Actually since I believe Issue 13 you can turn off the ability to earn XP so you can do all the arcs not in flashback.

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Champion
Pillars of Might
Darc Ranger [Blas] / Darc Nebula [Cont]
The Bikini Patrol
Darc Lighter:51-[Blas] / Darc Lady:50-[Tank]
The Panty Raiders
Aegis Magnus [MM] / Atomic Spector [Cor] / Dominar Sefus [Dom]
MEGAFORCE
-Darc Ranger [Def]

So what a bunch of people want with issue 14 is to have the ability to create a map and farm non stop....although honestly it would be easier for people to cut and paste the badges that they wanted? Would that solve your problem? Why even bother to have the other maps? Why bother to have the other in game content? If those that farm all they want is the badges and accolades just create an instanced mission where everything is level 1 and you are level 50....Why bother with this issue then? I believe it is going to cause more annoyance than what it will be worth.

Or better yet perhaps the Devs should set up the game to allow everyone to buy the badges that they want with influence.

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You only fail if you give up. - Dana Scully

Time Jesum Transeuntum Et Non Riverentum - Nick Cave

We're not just destroyers, at the same time we can be saviors. - Allen Walker

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If the imperative is to eliminate farming, then why allow Ouroboros, or Mission Resets

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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt

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You have stated that you could care less about the MA except in how it can help you get Badges. Well, apparently you believe that it is not going to help you.

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That's right. There's nothing there for me.

[/ QUOTE ]Have you considered that maybe MA will come with a boatload of new badges related to MA, as the devs so often like to do with a new issue release?

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I kinda hope not. There's enough badges already. Lets get the new mission/story content out, get the MA running and more fixes.

[/ QUOTE ]Can I have all your badge progress when your hope gets crushed?

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http://www.fimfiction.net/story/36641/My-Little-Exalt

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You can already very easily get the maps of enemies needed by repeatedly using oroborous. With that in existence, I again so no need for the devs to make it easier to farm when they haven't put a lock down on the farming they don't like.

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the devs must love farming then, as someone stated a few posts up --- no xp gain = uber farming.

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Actually that was a direct response to folks complaining they out leveled arcs and would have debt cap themselves to not out level them.

EDIT: Regardless would be silly for them to allow players to BUILD THEIR OWN FARM MAPS.

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sillier than allowing incredibly easy access (ouroborous) to numerous farming maps that are pre-made?

that you don't have to outlevel because you're utilizing ouro? that you can redo time and again?

not seeing the logic behind that argument anymore than it's ok to farm merits/xp/inf/prestige/salvage but not ok to get kill badge credits in a player made scenario.

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Political correctness is a stench in the nose of God. Yes, your God(s) also.

If there are no monsterous hat, decal, or monocles, then I won't bother :P

Discrimination, I tell you.

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So what a bunch of people want with issue 14 is to have the ability to create a map and farm non stop....although honestly it would be easier for people to cut and paste the badges that they wanted? Would that solve your problem? Why even bother to have the other maps? Why bother to have the other in game content? If those that farm all they want is the badges and accolades just create an instanced mission where everything is level 1 and you are level 50....Why bother with this issue then? I believe it is going to cause more annoyance than what it will be worth.

Or better yet perhaps the Devs should set up the game to allow everyone to buy the badges that they want with influence.

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but, you're ok with the absurd ease that currently exists for farming inf/pres/merits/etc?

it's just the farming of non-native (ie villains getting crotoa mobs) kill badges that bothers you?

because it's equally insanely easy, currently, to find farmable missions for most all native kill badges, or find areas that say have tons of rikti monkeys constantly spawning, to farm.


incredibly selective in the taking of offense there, if that's the case.

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Political correctness is a stench in the nose of God. Yes, your God(s) also.

Making it easier to farm won't create more farmers. It'll just move the farms.

That said, moving farms could be a bad thing, too. A huge farmer influx from Peregrine Island to Atlas Park (which appears to be one Architect location in the teaser screenshots) would be pretty scary.

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-sips his tea, then smashes his head into hid desk to make it feel better.-

Ok, people, I just tryed reading through this thread. I got through, maybe an 8th of it. Maybe. Im tired, and that is likely colloring my vision at the moment, but I have to say this, or I feel my brain will asplode.

Arguing over the 'badge/farm' issue is pointless.
Getting angery with one another and ripping into one another is also pointless.
If you want to debate the issue, no pun intended, for the love of your shiny, sparkly, lovable entity of personal chose, can we Please have a Redname make a thread JUST for that.
I read maybe 6 post that talked about the MA system, and the rest were you guys arguing over something thats likely been decided by the dev's and will not be changed.
Taking it out on one another is pointless, stop wasting your time and energy (both of which you will never get back mite I add) taking your favorite power set to one another.

I may live in this game (when I can get away with it) and I may despise some of my fellow players as human beings, but for the sake of the said shiny thingy, Relax, Calm down, Drink dome freekin Tea! You dont need to tair one another to little tiny peace to get your point across.

Share your Ideas, give some Feedback, but remember, its a bloody Game. You may think that guy posting above yous a [censored], but you dont have to be one to get back at them.

-sighs- Sorry, I just felt that needed to be said. I get frustrated when I see fights pop up on the boards, its the main reason I avoid them...

Ok, so there was that One thread I posted >_> but thats beside the point.

You guys should get what Im saying, and Im going to hope enough of the guys who used to be what I would call 'evil forum trolls with +10 flame' left when they broke pvp.

Yes, the anoyingness of some badges required to get Ac's strike some peoples cords, Im one of them, but you dont have to get angry if you disagree with some one about this sort of thing.

Im repeating my self I think. Bah, thsoe of you who know me should be used to it by now. Im going to go get some more sleep I think. You guys have fun, and dont eat each other alive.

If you do, then what will the DE eat when they want to steal every ones powers, eh?

Edit: Oh, and it says I sent this as a RE: to some one. Didnt intend that, just used that box thingy at the very bottom of the page.

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If I can just throw my two cents in here...not that anyone will hear it over the complaining, but...


I for one am looking forward to the MA. To me, it represents not a farming tool, or an XP generator, but an opportunity to tell stores, and where appropriate, share those stories with others. I enjoy writing stories in my spare time anyway, and nearly every character I have in this game is more than just a collection of AT's, IOs and badges, they are living, breathing representations of an idea, concept or persona given form. I desperately hope I'm not the only one who sees more than just inherent mechanical flaws, but a blank canvas on which to paint ideas for others to enjoy. Okay, maybe not everyone has the passion for telling stories that I do, but still, it has to be worth something that they're allowing players to do this at all. To date, I've never played an MMO that allowed players any meaningful control over how they play (grind the endgame instance, get the uberloot, wait for next big release). I wouldn't begin to suggest that the MA is the end-all, be-all of this game, but I think it's a ballsy step for the devs, and I for one appreciate the offering.

With that, I leave everyone to return to their regularly scheduled critique of a system that hasn't even seen the light of day yet. :P

EDIT- dammit Arckmage, ya beat me to the punch lol. At least I know I'm not the only one now

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Making it easier to farm won't create more farmers. It'll just move the farms.

That said, moving farms could be a bad thing, too. A huge farmer influx from Peregrine Island to Atlas Park (which appears to be one Architect location in the teaser screenshots) would be pretty scary.

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Right, and yet another reason to NOT INTENTIONALLY create another vehicle for farming.

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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!

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If I can just throw my two cents in here...not that anyone will hear it over the complaining, but...


I for one am looking forward to the MA. To me, it represents not a farming tool, or an XP generator, but an opportunity to tell stores, and where appropriate, share those stories with others. I enjoy writing stories in my spare time anyway, and nearly every character I have in this game is more than just a collection of AT's, IOs and badges, they are living, breathing representations of an idea, concept or persona given form. I desperately hope I'm not the only one who sees more than just inherent mechanical flaws, but a blank canvas on which to paint ideas for others to enjoy. Okay, maybe not everyone has the passion for telling stories that I do, but still, it has to be worth something that they're allowing players to do this at all.

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Oh, don't you know, that's a complete and utter waste of time to actually try to enjoy, write, or tell stories. *rolls eyes*

Yeah, I'm pretty sick of the attitude, as well. "Quit wasting time on this, we don't get badges/pvp/uber drops every mob/zomg there's not the big end bonus/etc."

So freaking what. If you (in general, not the poster I'm replying to) don't think it's worth it, *don't do it and quit your bellyaching.* Enjoy the issue where what you DO like is dealt with.

Christ on a freaking saltine.

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If I can just throw my two cents in here...not that anyone will hear it over the complaining, but...


I for one am looking forward to the MA. To me, it represents not a farming tool, or an XP generator, but an opportunity to tell stores, and where appropriate, share those stories with others. I enjoy writing stories in my spare time anyway, and nearly every character I have in this game is more than just a collection of AT's, IOs and badges, they are living, breathing representations of an idea, concept or persona given form. I desperately hope I'm not the only one who sees more than just inherent mechanical flaws, but a blank canvas on which to paint ideas for others to enjoy. Okay, maybe not everyone has the passion for telling stories that I do, but still, it has to be worth something that they're allowing players to do this at all.

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Oh, don't you know, that's a complete and utter waste of time to actually try to enjoy, write, or tell stories. *rolls eyes*

Yeah, I'm pretty sick of the attitude, as well. "Quit wasting time on this, we don't get badges/pvp/uber drops every mob/zomg there's not the big end bonus/etc."

So freaking what. If you (in general, not the poster I'm replying to) don't think it's worth it, *don't do it and quit your bellyaching.* Enjoy the issue where what you DO like is dealt with.

Christ on a freaking saltine.

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good to know I'm not insane.

I think we all often forget not every feature of every issue, or hell every issue, will be something ALL of us (the entire player base) will always like.

I know some folks that loved ALL of issue 13 and parts of it and none of it. I don't think its a bad thing to get a mix of that every issue.

Would be literally impossible for the devs to create an issue where EVERYONE of us like EVERY feature.

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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!

Christ on a saltine?? Thanks Bill, never heard that one before, lol

** Just re-read that, and for clarification that was not sarcasm, I really have never heard that before :-P

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@.MIDAS

BIG BROTHER MIDAS, Ice/Ice Dominator, 1314 Badges
* Any toon you see with Midas in the name is probably me *

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Christ on a saltine?? Thanks Bill, never heard that one before, lol

** Just re-read that, and for clarification that was not sarcasm, I really have never heard that before :-P

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Heh. The (admittedly few) times I have, it's been "a cracker." I just felt like being somewhat more specific.

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another poster, JohnathanBloom, found this:

http://www.massively.com/2009/02/26/...ity-of-heroes/

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Blazara Aura LVL 50 Fire/Psi Dom (with 125% recharge)
Flameboxer Aura LVL 50 SS/Fire Brute
Ice 'Em Aura LVL 50 Ice Tank
Darq Widow Fortune LVL 50 Fortunata (200% rech/Night Widow 192.5% rech)--thanks issue 19!

*adopts a slight Russian accent*

"A story! About great deeds... about armies of light, and soldiers of darkness. About the places where they lived and fought and loved and died. About great empires... and terrible mistakes. A true story..."

I am going to have a field day with the MA. I just hope folks like the stories I intend to tell...

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

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*adopts a slight Russian accent*

"A story! About great deeds... about armies of light, and soldiers of darkness. About the places where they lived and fought and loved and died. About great empires... and terrible mistakes. A true story..."

I am going to have a field day with the MA. I just hope folks like the stories I intend to tell...

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

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I hope there's a way to search for arcs by the author. You and some other players in this community are very creative and I'd love to any mission they make.

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Hopefully they'll make it searchable by either character name or global name. If not, depending on what we can put in descriptions, I'll probably put my global or forum handle in there so people can find my stuff.

Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite

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The audio says you can search by author.

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Always remember, we were Heroes.

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I'm thinking much the same from the folks wanting to focus on high quality arcs. Or perhaps a lot of incremental "upgrades" to previously published arcs as they get more proficient and tweak the designs, taking down old arcs and replacing them with newer versions.


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Which raises the question of what will happen if people are midway through arcs that a creator wants to unpublish.

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http://derekl1963.livejournal.com/

I wasn't at all excited about this feature with the limitations we thought the system would have. With all the new details, I am pretty pumped about this, and it looks like delaying the feature to have an awesome system ready for launch was a good idea.

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Heroes
Dysmal
Lumynous
Sam Steele
Pluck
Wile
Slagheap
Pressure Wave
Rhiannon Bel
Verified
Stellaric
Syd Mallorn

Villains
Jotunheim Skald
Saer Maen
Jen Corbae
Illuminance
Venator Arawn
Taiga Dryad
Tarranos

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I'm thinking much the same from the folks wanting to focus on high quality arcs. Or perhaps a lot of incremental "upgrades" to previously published arcs as they get more proficient and tweak the designs, taking down old arcs and replacing them with newer versions.


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Which raises the question of what will happen if people are midway through arcs that a creator wants to unpublish.

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The question has already been raised, and answered .

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I know I'm late to the party but I wanna beta invite too!! Oh almighty devs send me that email.

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