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I9 Statesman's Task Force Preview - Discussion

Aett_Thorn

By Aett_Thorn,
Posted on: 2007-02-21 16:14 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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NOT ORANBEGA AGAIN...FOR THE LOVE OF...AHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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The Statesman TF looks like nine kinds of awesome (although isn't it going to break a certain story arc to have Statesy physically handing out this TF?)

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That's the only other issue I have with it at this point. Depending on how it pans out on Test, I may ask that States be moved to inside the FC ship with the door unlocked by the badge. AFAIK, Recluse will only hand out his SF to a leader who has his Patron badge, so it wouldn't be dissimilar in that regard.

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actually, I just noticed that in the shot of Statesman, he doesn't have the contact circle under his feet. so it's possible that what we see there is in an instanced mission or something.

 

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The Statesman TF looks like nine kinds of awesome (although isn't it going to break a certain story arc to have Statesy physically handing out this TF?)

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That's the only other issue I have with it at this point. Depending on how it pans out on Test, I may ask that States be moved to inside the FC ship with the door unlocked by the badge. AFAIK, Recluse will only hand out his SF to a leader who has his Patron badge, so it wouldn't be dissimilar in that regard.

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actually, I just noticed that in the shot of Statesman, he doesn't have the contact circle under his feet. so it's possible that what we see there is in an instanced mission or something.

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Or they haven't bothered to add in a contact ring yet, it's a separate model from what I understand.

 

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The Statesman TF looks like nine kinds of awesome (although isn't it going to break a certain story arc to have Statesy physically handing out this TF?)

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That's the only other issue I have with it at this point. Depending on how it pans out on Test, I may ask that States be moved to inside the FC ship with the door unlocked by the badge. AFAIK, Recluse will only hand out his SF to a leader who has his Patron badge, so it wouldn't be dissimilar in that regard.

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Agreed, make Stateman's Pal badge the requirement and make it the key to entering the ship. This way the final praetorian arc makes sense!

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Paying attention, devs? This idea makes all kinds of sense, please use it.

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Holy crap! I had a good idea, I better shutup now before I ruin the moment for myself...

 

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Wonder what kinda reward we'll get? Villains get a HO, so I doubt we will get one since we have Hami.

 

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"We accomplished that goal, but in the end some of the Archetypes felt left out, since they didn’t have the build to contribute to the huge Archvillain fights that the Lord Recluse Strike Force was built around (we took our learnings forward from this)."

This seriously bugs me.... they are ensuring security for all hero AT's, and it sounds like the STF won't be "built around" a large AV fight like the RSF is built.

Can we please re-vamp the RSF to be less stupid? This is why I don't play my two 50 villains EVER. Everything is just "better" (defined to me as burst damage inclusive and easier to manage in general) on heroside than villainside.

 

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We wanted there to be a reason to have Archetypes other than Blasters and Defenders on your team. Controllers will find themselves greatly desired in the final battle if the team wants to have any chance of winning. Our goal was to make sure that all the Archetypes had something to do that could mean the difference between success and defeat.

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I'm glad you learned that, but your statement leaves me doubting your understanding of the problem, and therefore, your solution.

Min/max teams are most likely to be Tank/Scrapper + Defender/Controller. Melee has mez protection, defenses and good damage (especially w/ buff/debuffs running). Controllers contribute plenty of buff/debuff/heals, and are unlikely to be left out because their secondaries are 15% less effective than a defender's primary.

Blasters are *most* likely to be left behind for the same reason some /search for blasters last on other TFs: squishy aggro magnets with no mez protection can't contribute to the team if they are dead. It's much easier to just perma-buff the damage of a tank/scrapper than it is to continually buff the defense, resistance and mez protection of a blaster.

Blaster + Defender teams *may* technically be the best possible for min/maxing, but the amount of buff spaming required for that sort of team makes Tank/Scrappers a more likely choice.

 

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Can we please re-vamp the RSF to be less stupid? This is why I don't play my two 50 villains EVER. Everything is just "better" (defined to me as burst damage inclusive and easier to manage in general) on heroside than villainside.

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<rp>As it freakin' should be! You want to be a no-good villain, don't expect it to be easy. Evil never prevails!</rp>

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One of those missions is clearly set in Recluse's Victory.

I'm guessing that's an instanced map, though. People wouldn't be sent into a PvP zone in the course of a TF.

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I've always wanted a PvP TF.



I'm probably the only person though.

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if it is a TF sending you into a PvP zone.. that will be one badge i wont be getting.... i don't do PvP

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Can we please re-vamp the RSF to be less stupid? This is why I don't play my two 50 villains EVER. Everything is just "better" (defined to me as burst damage inclusive and easier to manage in general) on heroside than villainside.

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<rp>As it freakin' should be! You want to be a no-good villain, don't expect it to be easy. Evil never prevails!</rp>

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<rp> *blasts Leandro on her ice blaster for his full hp in about 3 seconds*

Well that certainly was easy!!! Glad I'm not a corruptor! </rp>

 

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Can we please re-vamp the RSF to be less stupid? This is why I don't play my two 50 villains EVER. Everything is just "better" (defined to me as burst damage inclusive and easier to manage in general) on heroside than villainside.

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<rp>As it freakin' should be! You want to be a no-good villain, don't expect it to be easy. Evil never prevails!</rp>

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((do we need to re-hash that its not that the RSF is hard, it's that it fosters either min-max teams, or farming specific temps to turn it into something stupid easy and unfun? Devs, maybe you saw my post in Virtue's boards about this. Please do a revamp down the road of the RSF, if what you say about the STF is true and it has been built around the beta testing we've done for you via the RSF. Thanks.))

 

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Wonder what kinda reward we'll get? Villains get a HO, so I doubt we will get one since we have Hami.

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Think again. Come I9, Heroes and Villains will each have access to both Hami and a TF/SF. AFAIK, the TF/SF will offer an HO or TF Salavage, while Hami will offer an HO or Trial salvage. I think both sides will have the 1 HO per day limit.

 

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if it is a TF sending you into a PvP zone.. that will be one badge i wont be getting.... i don't do PvP

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Don't worry.

 

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Ok so you had all this talk about the flier in the SF and not one of you looked at the picture to see that with the flier is Lord Recluse himself? I think that is an AV fight with a GM back up also known as, OH MY GOD THE PAIN! IT HURTS! WHERE IS MY SPLEEEEEEN!

Please tell me that the flier is on the heroes side, as it seems to be shooting LR or the guy LR is attacking, or that it is only a monster because a GM and an AV who summons armies of bosses is NOT nice. Granted I don't like nice, bring it on! I got Soul Transfer and I'm not afraid to use it!

Edit: And what is with all the Ravenstorm cameos? Did he make it or is this War Witch giving Raven the credit again or is he just sucking up for more face time? You know what we need, a cameo mission with all the dev heroes like Arctic Sun, Raven, Warwitch, etc.

 

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We accomplished that goal, but in the end some of the Archetypes felt left out, since they didn’t have the build to contribute to the huge Archvillain fights that the Lord Recluse Strike Force was built around (we took our learnings forward from this).

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SOME of the ATs felt left out!?!?!?! Um try more then half. It has been proven that Doms, Stalkers, and MM can contribute to it. Though usually ATs just still come along mostly as veng fodder.

I am hopeful that they are not goning to make the same mistake they did with the end of Recluse's challenge.

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I could not agree more. I am already disgusted with this and it has not even gone to test yet. I just feel that they really go over board with the whole Good always has to beat Evil thing. This is why the RSF will never be balanced. If the Statesman TF allows all AT equal roles I am really going to be pissed at this TF. At this point even if they go back and change the SF the damage is already done. It would have to some over the top changes that would make the whole SF uber easy if you had all villain ATs instead of the 1 */stone brute and 7 */rad corrupter setup. That will be the only way things will change for the better. I know the RSF is beatable with a mixed team, the time I did it was a mixed team but when the majority feel you need the uber team setup then it just makes it that much harder for things to finally change.

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Controllers will find themselves greatly desired in the final battle if the team wants to have any chance of winning

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Please tell me he didn't just say that you don't have any chance of winning without a Controller?

- Jock Tamson, Who lacks active Controllers in his SG.

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NOT ORANBEGA AGAIN...FOR THE LOVE OF...AHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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I saw that.. grr

 

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We accomplished that goal, but in the end some of the Archetypes felt left out, since they didn’t have the build to contribute to the huge Archvillain fights that the Lord Recluse Strike Force was built around (we took our learnings forward from this).

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SOME of the ATs felt left out!?!?!?! Um try more then half. It has been proven that Doms, Stalkers, and MM can contribute to it. Though usually ATs just still come along mostly as veng fodder.

I am hopeful that they are not goning to make the same mistake they did with the end of Recluse's challenge.

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I could not agree more. I am already disgusted with this and it has not even gone to test yet. I just feel that they really go over board with the whole Good always has to beat Evil thing. This is why the RSF will never be balanced. If the Statesman TF allows all AT equal roles I am really going to be pissed at this TF. At this point even if they go back and change the SF the damage is already done. It would have to some over the top changes that would make the whole SF uber easy if you had all villain ATs instead of the 1 */stone brute and 7 */rad corrupter setup. That will be the only way things will change for the better. I know the RSF is beatable with a mixed team, the time I did it was a mixed team but when the majority feel you need the uber team setup then it just makes it that much harder for things to finally change.

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Heh, I love this.

AAAAAAAAAAAARGH! I HATE IT BECAUSE IT EXISTS!

 

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NOT ORANBEGA AGAIN...FOR THE LOVE OF...AHHHHHHhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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I saw that.. grr

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My thoughts exactly.

If you look at the pic closely, though, its not a typical Oranbega map. There's debris on the floor.

 

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Maybe we get to blow Oranbega up? That would be nice.

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This looks awesome!

Can't wait to get my hands on this TF with my favorite character