I can solo Trials and TFs in less then 30 mins
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anarchicgorilla,
Posted on: 2007-02-16 13:05 in The Market and Inventions
Well good for you.
You're in a rather small minority. You're what datamining dismisses as an anomoly.
Well, good for you? I guess? The devs need to balance for how the rest of us play, and I'm just going to hazard a guess that most folks are not soloing trials and TFs in 30 minutes.
If a few farmers are swimming in rares, so what? Let em sell em at Wentworths. If, on the other hand, the devs decide to nerf drop rates because of posts like this, it'll just bring added frustration to the majority of players.
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And we are planning on attaching rares to these trials? My complaint about attaching these things to them (As Brainstorm said) is that I can complete these things WAY faster then any team can. I did in fact solo the City of Villains COV respec trial with my Brute in less then 25 minutes. (I think it was just a little over 19 minutes) Other SFs I've all soloed in COV in less then 30-40 minutes.
Ultimately, this means that if any of these Trials/TFs have rare recipes/salvage it will become VERY common by farmers. All a person needs is either a couple friends or dummy accounts to start the SF/Trial. Remember, Brainstorm also said that there is no specific enhancers tied to a SF/Trial. This means pick the easiest one and farm it with a single character.
I hate to say it but this means we need to either buff Arch Villains where they cannot be soloed anymore or limit Shivans/Nukes to PVP zones.
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Didn't people already get mad at you for bringing up soloing AVs? Anyway, _Castle_ has said that the shivans and nukes will get less powerful eventually. Also, not everyong can solo TF/SF/Trials that fast. most, if not all, of the ones in CoH would at least take an hour with all the travel time included.
Issue:
Certain characters are over-optimal with respect to soloing material designed to be difficult enough to challange a team.
Solution:
The primary/secondary combinations that can solo the team content will be adjusted down, until they can no longer do so.
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Well good for you.
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Anyway, _Castle_ has said that the shivans and nukes will get less powerful eventually.
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I assume you are referring to this post where he said:
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Or we could reduce the effectiveness of a suite of Temp Powers. Shivans and the Nuke's are pretty dang good.
And before more people jump on Optimus, we've known those powers were over the top since they were created.
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But you need to have also read his follow-up post where he said:
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Just to clear up:
No, we're not discussing any changes to Shivan's or the Warburg Nukes at this time. Shivan's are easier to get than anticipated, but even that is not likely to be changed in the near future. My original post was meant to show that we knew how these powers were being used -- and that is all.
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So he specifically clairified that, while the devs know about how these powers are being used, they have no plans at this time to nerf them. Nothing about them getting less powerful eventually.
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Well good for you.
You're in a rather small minority. You're what datamining dismisses as an anomoly.
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lmao!
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Well you see, you are the type of person that wants rare drops announced to the whole team so you can whine at the person that got the drop to trade ( as per your otehr thread), and you power game like no tomorrow. ( which by the way is an awful awful idea, you should be shot for suggesting, though not literally)
I'm willing to bet that most of the population of this game does not solo TFs, let alone in 25-40 minutes.
In short you seem worried that people like you might become too uber, which really doesn't matter since your the top of the power gaming ladder already. We generally could careless what people like you do, since it doesn't really effect us if you run around soloing TFs.
Infact that is probably a horrible way to do it. You could run them with a team and potentially do them just as fast using your particular tactics, but instead of 1 drop at the end, you could have 7 more drops thereby increasing your chances of getting what you want via trading.
So there you go a nice rant about how nobody cares about people like you.
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
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Issue:
Certain characters are over-optimal with respect to soloing material designed to be difficult enough to challenge a team.
Solution:
The primary/secondary combinations that can solo the team content will be adjusted down, until they can no longer do so.
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What you mean is a tray full of (purple+whatever) inspirations.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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Well good for you.
You're in a rather small minority. You're what datamining dismisses as an anomoly.
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Yep.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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/em Golf clap.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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/em Golf clap.
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Advantage: Castle.
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Well good for you.
You're in a rather small minority. You're what datamining dismisses as an anomoly.
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I really dont think it is the case. If he is able to do these things he should keep his mouth closed about it and not put stuff like this on the boards. This is what leads to nerfs and such. If they were to nerf everytime someone like him posts stuff like this on the boards pretty soon no one will doing hardly anything as PUG. It will only be l337 players in certain SG/VGs that will be able to do the trials and such. For those groups I can see folks easily being eliminated just because you have the wrong build. How unfair will this be to the casual gamer that does not read the boards. I really fear for the casual gamer at this point because everything will be so beyond their reach.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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A Shivan takes me about 10 minutes to get. That also comes with 5 charges or 5 runs. Additionally, I VERY RARELY use nukes. (They do take a lot of time)
The COV respec Trial I beat with just a Shivan. Same with the 25-30 Strikeforce (Renault)
Honestly, the only AV's/Heroes I've had to use nukes on was Ghost Widow so far in COV. None of the SF/Trials have AV's that me and a Shivan cannot beat.
NOTE: I am on Freedom server too if that matters. Not sure if that matters.
Edit: So if you want to factor in time to get a Shivan:
5 Charges takes 10 minutes to get which equal to 5 Strikforce/Trial runs. 10/5 = 2 minutes.
Approximately Time + 2 minutes it takes. So it takes me less then 30 minutes + 2 to complete a SF/Trial.
All they even need to do is nerf Shivan's debuffing abilities and vola it's fixed.
I am an ebil markeeter and will steal your moneiz ...correction stole your moneiz. I support keeping the poor down because it is impossible to make moneiz in this game.
It doesn't matter, powergamers always find a way.
Just take off and nerf Ultimus from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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All they even need to do is nerf Shivan's debuffing abilities and vola it's fixed.
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No. Just nerf ultimus.
Give him a shiny badge, and special costume bits as a reward.
And Pie.
The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie!
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All they even need to do is nerf Shivan's debuffing abilities and vola it's fixed.
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Shivans have no debuffing abilities outside of a minor -Def on their attacks. Contrary to belief, they DO NOT have -regen.
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All they even need to do is nerf Shivan's debuffing abilities and vola it's fixed.
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Shivan's don't debuff, AFAIK, except for Def with their Rad attacks. What shivan's offer is a whopping lot of extra damage to overcome ATs/GMs huge regen rates along with nice solid EB hit points that allow them to survive AT/GM attacks.
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And Pie.
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Hey. He's good, but pie good?
They just hit *really* hard. Elite Bosses are teh l33tsawces.
There are a dozen builds more adept at soloing super regen scrappers (heroes/avs) than the fire/fire brute, especially when teamed with a shivan.
Anyway, shivans only take 5-8 minutes to get unless someone is actively trying to prevent you from doing so.
Basically any AV that present its challenge via damage delt (clockwork king, a tree thing that shoots invisible thorns, marauder, numina, etc) are NOT going to offer much of a challenge to someone who knows how to pop purple inspirations and drop a shivan.
The AVs that do debuffing, pop tier-9s, have usually unresisted controls, or summon pets (positron/anti-matter, valkyre, malaise (cov version), woodsman) are MUCH more team "friendly". as they require active teamwork (or atleast a wider variety of powers) to efficiently take down.
I feel If the devs are truely afriad of people soloing AVs (and thus most trials), outside of shaking the balance of the non-AV encounters by nerfing fire/fire brutes (ha), or purple inspirations.
They either need rebalance ALL of the taskforce encounters and grant AVs/Monsters tier-9s, fear powers to scatter pets, etc - which would probably be a nightmare
Or, make shivans/nukes team content (e.g. granting the shivan summon for defeating a shivan GM, etc), so people have to decide where they want to put their effort - teaming through a trial, or teaming through some mixed pvp content
A third, comedy option would be to sprinkle a few "click 3 glowies at the same time" objectives through the missions.
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And Pie.
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Hey. He's good, but pie good?
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Soloing trials in 32 minutes and you don't think that's worth pie?
Your standards are HARSH!
The cake is a lie! The cake is a lie!
And we are planning on attaching rares to these trials? My complaint about attaching these things to them (As Brainstorm said) is that I can complete these things WAY faster then any team can. I did in fact solo the City of Villains COV respec trial with my Brute in less then 25 minutes. (I think it was just a little over 19 minutes) Other SFs I've all soloed in COV in less then 30-40 minutes.
Ultimately, this means that if any of these Trials/TFs have rare recipes/salvage it will become VERY common by farmers. All a person needs is either a couple friends or dummy accounts to start the SF/Trial. Remember, Brainstorm also said that there is no specific enhancers tied to a SF/Trial. This means pick the easiest one and farm it with a single character.
I hate to say it but this means we need to either buff Arch Villains where they cannot be soloed anymore or limit Shivans/Nukes to PVP zones.