I can solo Trials and TFs in less then 30 mins
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anarchicgorilla,
Posted on: 2007-02-16 13:05 in The Market and Inventions
To join back into the actual conversation, no, I don't have a problem with it at all.
The more recipes that get found, the more will show up in the market, the lower the cost will be, the less work we'll all have to do to get what we want.
There will always be folks like me that will find something groovy and just give it away. If for no reason other than to annoy those trying to make a profit off of them.
Be well, people of CoH.
even if an ebay economy evolves, who really cares? I have no desire to pay more RL money to enjoy my favorite game than I currently pay in subscription cost. I don't care if someone else does. To me, it is a waste of cash. I don't understand why anyone would engage in real money transfers for something involved in a game, but I could care less if they do.
I PvP with lvl 30s in Sirens Call. Sometimes I win. Sometimes I lose. I don't care. I dont imagine it will be much more difficult to defeat the IO slotted toons than HO slotted toons with the right build. But then I don't spend my life worrying about who has what better stuff than me. Their uberness does not negate my game enjoyment. It is all the more fun to defeat the FotM HO toon when it happens, and defeat costs me nothing.
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But be aware, soloing AVs with shivans is no more an accomplishment than lowering one's difficulty to turn them into EBs.
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Actually, for me AV + Shivan is, if not a greater accomplishment, then a more satisfying one than EB+insps. An EB+insps for my blaster is essentially a detonation: I pop every insp I have and pound on the EB as fast as possible to kill him in as few seconds as possible, to give him no chance to react, regenerate, run, or exhaust my insps.
AV+Shivan fights are generally longer, more involved fights, at least for my blaster and scrapper. They require a little more thought unless you also blow out the insp tray simultaneously. And there are not many things a solo player can have a long, drawn out fight with that can't just turn and kill them in the blink of an eye. I don't want a medal or anything: I haven't done anything that others haven't done before. But I don't do it for recognition, I do it for fun. Its an accomplishment to me, even if it is to no one else.
Whether they are called EBs, AVs, or whatever, I wish there were more "tactical" fights for solo or small team players. Something other than the insta-blink combat that dominates the game. And since the devs aren't making it, I tend to make it up myself.
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That's interesting to me, Arcanaville. I enjoy the fights I get and the feeling I get from defeating EBs without the use of any inspirations or temp powers.
That's not even a possibility with AVs. With ANY build.
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I share bill's setiment about EBs. Fighting an EB is not exactly challenging, but it is more fun than just fighitng a large bag of HP with a high regen rate.
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That's interesting to me, Arcanaville. I enjoy the fights I get and the feeling I get from defeating EBs without the use of any inspirations or temp powers.
That's not even a possibility with AVs. With ANY build.
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I'm still working on a long term feasibility experiment I don't want to discuss a lot yet, but lets just say that I have a build that is soloing things you wouldn't believe without video proof: no temp powers, no inspirations, no nothing.
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That's interesting to me, Arcanaville. I enjoy the fights I get and the feeling I get from defeating EBs without the use of any inspirations or temp powers.
That's not even a possibility with AVs. With ANY build.
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I'm still working on a long term feasibility experiment I don't want to discuss a lot yet, but lets just say that I have a build that is soloing things you wouldn't believe without video proof: no temp powers, no inspirations, no nothing.
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Sounds like a regen Scrapper to me, lol.....please don't get me nerfed again. 
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That's interesting to me, Arcanaville. I enjoy the fights I get and the feeling I get from defeating EBs without the use of any inspirations or temp powers.
That's not even a possibility with AVs. With ANY build.
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I'm still working on a long term feasibility experiment I don't want to discuss a lot yet, but lets just say that I have a build that is soloing things you wouldn't believe without video proof: no temp powers, no inspirations, no nothing.
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Same here and it involves Masterminds.
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Here's another suggestion to prevent farming:
Limit Trials/TF awards to once per 24 hours similar to how the Recluse Strike Force functions. This would prevent people from farming these solo.
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Dude, what the hell.
Go screw up some other game.
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Screw over another game? Inventions aren't even live if they made it so that invention rewards were only given in TF/Trial once a day how would that be different where now they are given 0 times a day?
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Read your own quote. You didn't suggest that they limit drops to once a day. You said limit rewards to once a day.
And given the way it sounds like drop rate schedules work, I still think that's insane. You aren't guaranteed anything great every time through.
If I want to spend a weekend day and do 2-3 trials, I damn well want a reward for it. I don't need your BS screwing me out of options.
A limit, maybe. A limit of one a day is utter crap. Once an hour? Once every 90 mins? OK. Not once a damn day.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Here's another suggestion to prevent farming:
Limit Trials/TF awards to once per 24 hours similar to how the Recluse Strike Force functions. This would prevent people from farming these solo.
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Dude, what the hell.
Go screw up some other game.
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Screw over another game? Inventions aren't even live if they made it so that invention rewards were only given in TF/Trial once a day how would that be different where now they are given 0 times a day?
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Read your own quote. You didn't suggest that they limit drops to once a day. You said limit rewards to once a day.
And given the way it sounds like drop rate schedules work, I still think that's insane. You aren't guaranteed anything great every time through.
If I want to spend a weekend day and do 2-3 trials, I damn well want a reward for it. I don't need your BS screwing me out of options.
A limit, maybe. A limit of one a day is utter crap. Once an hour? Once every 90 mins? OK. Not once a damn day.
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I believe the idea is to limit one per trial per day. You could theoretically run six different task forces in one day, and get the appropriate reward for each task force in that day. You just couldn't run Positron eight times in one day and get the special recipe drop.
At least, I think that's the idea. A limit on drops period is not a good one. Run two task forces in a 24 hour period, and you should get the reward for both. Many groups make a game of it: task force tuesday, or whatever. Its not really worth penalizing those people, who are really playing the game as intended.
I think whether we like it or not, they'll eventually institute some sort of per-trial/TF limit. *Some* TFs are probably just a little too quick to be allowed to do over and over again (think Croatoa).
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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A Shivan takes me about 10 minutes to get. That also comes with 5 charges or 5 runs. Additionally, I VERY RARELY use nukes. (They do take a lot of time)
The COV respec Trial I beat with just a Shivan. Same with the 25-30 Strikeforce (Renault)
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Solution: PREVENT EARNING A MISSION COMPLETE BONUS FOR ANY TRIAL, TASK FORCE MISSION, OR STRIKE FORCE MISSION IF ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE TEAM IS ONLINE AND ON THE MAP WHEN THE OBJECTIVES ARE MET ...!!
Now, you CAN'T solo them - you HAVE to have two or more people online, and on the relevant map - which sets the spawn sizes accordingly. Problem solved.
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I think whether we like it or not, they'll eventually institute some sort of per-trial/TF limit. *Some* TFs are probably just a little too quick to be allowed to do over and over again (think Croatoa).
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Possibly. I still think once a day is a problem. Think about the trials. Several are timed, enforcing a relatively short span. I don't see a problem with allowing them to be run back to back, though I've never done it myself (except when we failed - but that better not count!). The drop rates for really good IOs are not at all likely to be high. These deves are too conservative for that IMO.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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A Shivan takes me about 10 minutes to get. That also comes with 5 charges or 5 runs. Additionally, I VERY RARELY use nukes. (They do take a lot of time)
The COV respec Trial I beat with just a Shivan. Same with the 25-30 Strikeforce (Renault)
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Solution: PREVENT EARNING A MISSION COMPLETE BONUS FOR ANY TRIAL, TASK FORCE MISSION, OR STRIKE FORCE MISSION IF ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE TEAM IS ONLINE AND ON THE MAP WHEN THE OBJECTIVES ARE MET ...!!
Now, you CAN'T solo them - you HAVE to have two or more people online, and on the relevant map - which sets the spawn sizes accordingly. Problem solved.
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I doubt their engine could do that let alone if they could how much coding it would take. There would be easier solutions (such as changing how the pets work)
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Now, you CAN'T solo them - you HAVE to have two or more people online, and on the relevant map - which sets the spawn sizes accordingly. Problem solved.
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Because duoing them in 30 minutes and getting one recipe each is soooo much better, right?
No.
But it stops the "OMGZORZ! IT CAN BE SOLOED! NERF EVERYONE!" issue.
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I can kill an extremely large number of green and blue minions with my Blaster. This will result in an inordinate amount or recipies being dropped for me. Please nerf.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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A Shivan takes me about 10 minutes to get. That also comes with 5 charges or 5 runs. Additionally, I VERY RARELY use nukes. (They do take a lot of time)
The COV respec Trial I beat with just a Shivan. Same with the 25-30 Strikeforce (Renault)
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Solution: PREVENT EARNING A MISSION COMPLETE BONUS FOR ANY TRIAL, TASK FORCE MISSION, OR STRIKE FORCE MISSION IF ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE TEAM IS ONLINE AND ON THE MAP WHEN THE OBJECTIVES ARE MET ...!!
Now, you CAN'T solo them - you HAVE to have two or more people online, and on the relevant map - which sets the spawn sizes accordingly. Problem solved.
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I doubt their engine could do that let alone if they could how much coding it would take. There would be easier solutions (such as changing how the pets work)
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Even better: Any team can easily tackle an AV in a TF, but with these things you can also easily tackle one solo. Just make sure every TF has 6 AVs throughout it, one per mission, it would add a bit of excitement to the duration of task force as it is, right now the missions before the last one tend to be rather dull and boring.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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A Shivan takes me about 10 minutes to get. That also comes with 5 charges or 5 runs. Additionally, I VERY RARELY use nukes. (They do take a lot of time)
The COV respec Trial I beat with just a Shivan. Same with the 25-30 Strikeforce (Renault)
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Solution: PREVENT EARNING A MISSION COMPLETE BONUS FOR ANY TRIAL, TASK FORCE MISSION, OR STRIKE FORCE MISSION IF ONLY ONE MEMBER OF THE TEAM IS ONLINE AND ON THE MAP WHEN THE OBJECTIVES ARE MET ...!!
Now, you CAN'T solo them - you HAVE to have two or more people online, and on the relevant map - which sets the spawn sizes accordingly. Problem solved.
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There's just too many ways around this, such that adding complex rules to prevent could impact casual players unaware of the rules.
In this case, the correct way to dodge this is already well known to CoV respec afficionados. Log out everyone but one person, one person spawns the entire map, everyone else then logs back in. Someone who wanted to solo a TF already has to have at least one other member attached to the TF, possibly logged out. At the last mission, just log that placeholder back into the game, after the final map has been spawned. Problem solved.
It is not easy at all to regulate who gets what reward. As it is, real players with no intent to exploit the system are occasionally not getting mission rewards, because the devs have some funky rules that determine who has been "on the mission long enough to receive a reward" (which is pretty obviously not just time-based).
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The real problem here is they are adding this crap to late to the game..
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Ya see, this is the guy who constantly brags about soloing AVs and such. All he is determined to do is to get other people nerfed.
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...Also the sewer trial may need attention as you can be level 50 fighting greys throughout on it (barring about 15 seconds while you grab a cannon) and do it comfortably in 30 mins, I did for the badges...
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No, please don't change this TF. It is insane any other way. It took an hour using this method.
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I really agree with this. That trial is so out of whack now. There is no way I would do it without exploiting now. The reward for the time investment is just not worth it since they nerfed the kraken babies.
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...Also the sewer trial may need attention as you can be level 50 fighting greys throughout on it (barring about 15 seconds while you grab a cannon) and do it comfortably in 30 mins, I did for the badges...
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No, please don't change this TF. It is insane any other way. It took an hour using this method.
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I really agree with this. That trial is so out of whack now. There is no way I would do it without exploiting now. The reward for the time investment is just not worth it since they nerfed the kraken babies.
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They nerfed the kraken babies? or do you mean buffed them? No matter what they either need to keep teh TF as is, or get rid of at least 3, if not all 4, of the monsters. There are plenty of rikti to creat a challange.
Well, seeing as my post went by the wayside again--I'll address the newest topic. I can't get nukes or shivans, either. Again, I'm just trying to put things in perspective--but why am I going to be nerfed if I can't solo anything--can't do mayhems, can't do safeguards, can't get nukes, and can't get shivans. Again, I think all this discussion is a bit skewed and premature.
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Solo the Shadow Shard TFs in under 30 minutes... then you'll have MY respect.
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The Shivan Temp Power is AS blatantly overpowered as the Original Nemesis Staff before it was adjusted. Therefore, its introduction into the game as it is now was a MISTAKE in the same way that a hole in the geometry is a MISTAKE.
Using a MISTAKE in the code is the same no matter how you attempt to rationalize it. It's an exploit.
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That's a very narrow definition of "exploit." By that strict definition, using Instant Healing or perma-Elude in I3 was an exploit.
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I, FashionSense, hereby confess that on various occasions in the year 2004 I did willfully and knowingly use the power "Smoke Grenade" on a wide variety of enemies, causing their chance to hit to drop to 5%. I throw myself on the mercy of the court.
Anyway, I think arguing over soloing TFs is kind of missing the point. Let's suppose I can duo TFs or trials in less than 30 minutes - hardly unreasonable for the shorter ones. Does anyone actually have a problem with accumulating rare recipes at 2 per hour? Seems like a lot of work. Comparable to taking multiple 50s and farming the LRSF multiple times per day...in theory you can get drops, but unless a major ebay economy develops, will anyone really keep up that pace? Anyone other than people twinking for pvp?