I can solo Trials and TFs in less then 30 mins
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anarchicgorilla,
Posted on: 2007-02-16 13:05 in The Market and Inventions
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You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
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Where in the world did you come to this conclusion?
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You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
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Where in the world did you come to this conclusion?
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The OP is simply pointing out an imbalance(perhaps in a self-aggrandizing way, depending on how you interpret the post).
The devs have many options to correct it:
They can nerf drop-rates, and balance around the outliers.
They can nerf temp powers, and retard the extreme cases.
They can nerf specific problem primary/secondaries, and draw in the outlier cases.
They can buff the majority of the archetypes to match the performance of the outlier cases.
Nothing is lost by again drawing attention to a problem that has been around for quite a while, before rare loot is introduced into the game.
Actually, I did not miss his point. My point was "Let him do his thing. Instead of following his advise to nerf the game, allow his actions to nerf any one's attempt to extort the rest of us out of our influence or money."
Economy is the governed by the concept of supply and demand. Let the ub3rl33t chinese gold farmers glut the market. The end result is that those players desperate enough for loot will be swindled for less.
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You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
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Where in the world did you come to this conclusion?
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I'm with you on that one. Suggesting that a once per day limit of TF/trial drop rates will only harm the real hardcore, and leave most of us free to do as we will.
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You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
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Or maybe he suggested putting a 24 hour timer on the same TF/Trial dropping a rare to the same character. Which I am sure would really hurt all the regular/non-farming players, because casual, non-farmers regularly do the same TF/Trial repeatedly in the same day.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
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after 11 pages it only took the first post to realize how full of crap ultimus is
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after 11 pages it only took the first post to realize how full of crap ultimus is
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I doubt he is. I've looked at many of the exploits in this game. I don't use them, because they take all the fun out of it for me.
The use of the shivan does increase your damage output greatly. If you have enough damage mitigation to keep your self alive, such as a good self heal like healing flames and a tray full of large lucks, you can accomplish quite a bit.
The under 30 minutes for an SF is probably an exaggeration, but the accomplishments are doable.
Be well, people of CoH.
There seems to be an awful lot of...erm...passionate words being thrown around in here. Ultimus is VERY GOOD at what he does. I, in posting that I can't do safeguards or mayhems, was attempting to illustrate that, well--apparently I'M NOT.
The point is, there are a variety of ways to play the game. It's rather premature, IMO, to base any changes solely on how Ultimus plays.
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PS, I'm still taking advice on safeguard and mayhem missions. 
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Using a temp power (Shivan) intellegently is a far cry from an exploit. The entire point of a Shivan is to use it against enemies. Fighting out of holes in geometry is exploiting an unforseen technical error in game mechanics to achive an unfair advantage over the opposition.
Centinull
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I don't mind that he can solo trials and TFs. I don't mind that he likes to brag about it. I mind when he comes around and tries to get the drop rate for the rest of us nerfed because if everyone has access to rare recipes it'll make him feel less 'special'.
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I could understand your resentment if inventions were live but they aren't. The developers have stated the drop rates will get tweaked and I am trying to point out an early flaw.
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Then why don't YOU wait until Inventions are released and see if the game becomes 'flooded' as you say? You are making huge assumptions about a system not even implemented yet not to mention a potential influx of so called farmers. You are also making an assumption that a large enough subscriber base plays at your level.
The only one making huge baseless leaps about broken mechanics of gameplay is you.
<why do I get the feeling my first paragraph is something Ultimus loves to hear no matter how much he denies it. I just get the feeling he really soaks up the comments that no one else plays at his level.....please note this musing Castle>
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The under 30 minutes for an SF is probably an exaggeration, but the accomplishments are doable.
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Didn't he say under 30 for the villain respec trial? Considering how easy it is, I could believe that.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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The hero respec trial needs shivans and or nukes? That thing is the biggest joke of a trial in the game. I get so tired of waiting 10 minutes between each wave playing tag with the coolant belts.
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The under 30 minutes for an SF is probably an exaggeration, but the accomplishments are doable.
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Didn't he say under 30 for the villain respec trial? Considering how easy it is, I could believe that.
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Well, the title of this thread is
[u]I can solo Trials and TFs in less then 30 mins [u]
Centinull
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Using a temp power (Shivan) intellegently is a far cry from an exploit. The entire point of a Shivan is to use it against enemies. Fighting out of holes in geometry is exploiting an unforseen technical error in game mechanics to achive an unfair advantage over the opposition.
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The Shivan Temp Power is AS blatantly overpowered as the Original Nemesis Staff before it was adjusted. Therefore, its introduction into the game as it is now was a MISTAKE in the same way that a hole in the geometry is a MISTAKE.
Using a MISTAKE in the code is the same no matter how you attempt to rationalize it. It's an exploit.
Be well, people of CoH.
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You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
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Where in the world did you come to this conclusion?
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EXCELLENT point Brillig. That does make sense.
How many other posters have you seen make Ultimus's claim? I haven't seen any others, maybe one but the name doesn't come to mind. People, such as myself and the people I used to play with, didn't even perform these feats pre GDN/ED then those systems stopped the massive herding. Not only that but prior to those systems, I do remember many more posts about soloing AVs. It appears even GDN/ED is not enough to stop Ultimus so it leaves him in an even better position were the Devs to listen to his suggestions. The fact is mediocre TEAMS can complete these trials/TFs with a fair amount of regularity so, yes I can see the incentive to use a level of gameplay that very few enjoy to place yourself even higher on the podium.
Ultimus likes to 'post' about his accomplishments so you can only imagine how he will love to say he is the first one to get a complete set of IOs. If he is able to manipulate a level of difficulty that will slow the majority of players even further, it will give him a more comfortable cushion of time to pull off this feat.
5 stars to Brillig and I hope you like my expansion on your comment.
<how'd you them apples BillZ? I saw you "hmmming" and wanted to take off on this idea>
You see, my problem with this is I think the Shivan is crappy temp power. I used it a couple of times, wondered where the hell he was running off too, and gave up on it. The idea of it being Uber is just alien to me.
Of course, bare in mind that I haven't tried soloing AVs either.
I'm funny like that.
Centinull
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<how'd you them apples BillZ? I saw you "hmmming" and wanted to take off on this idea>
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I'll buy it. But that fact is, there WERE others soloing AVs before ED/GDN. Catwhoorg was doing it long before Ultimus ever showed up.
I could do it using the knowledge I have of the game's exploits. I don't do it because it's not fun to me.
Soloing missions is fun for me. AVs are a waste of my time.
Finding ways to solo everything this game can throw at him using whatever he has to in order to accomplish it is fun for Ultimus.
I don't know what his actual motivations are, and don't actually care. It won't affect my gameplay, as I'll continue soloing paper/scanner missions and getting everything I need to fully stock my main with IOs.
If I am lacking anything I actually want, I'll find it either through friends and trades or the marketplace. No biggy.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Using a temp power (Shivan) intellegently is a far cry from an exploit. The entire point of a Shivan is to use it against enemies. Fighting out of holes in geometry is exploiting an unforseen technical error in game mechanics to achive an unfair advantage over the opposition.
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The Shivan Temp Power is AS blatantly overpowered as the Original Nemesis Staff before it was adjusted. Therefore, its introduction into the game as it is now was a MISTAKE in the same way that a hole in the geometry is a MISTAKE.
Using a MISTAKE in the code is the same no matter how you attempt to rationalize it. It's an exploit.
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That's a very narrow definition of "exploit." By that strict definition, using Instant Healing or perma-Elude in I3 was an exploit.
I don't consider Shivans to be a "mistake" in the same sense as a map hole. The Shivans aren't bugged, or behave in any way different than designed. The designers may have made an error in judgement about whether they should given them to us, but they work as they are supposed to.
The maps, though, are not designed to have holes. That's a genuine error on the part of the map implementer, not implementing the map as designed, or the game engine not handling the map as implemented.
The Shivans do not specifically do anything the designers didn't explicitly design them to do. That places them in a different category than map holes. Map holes are not meant to be used. Shivans are explicitly meant to be used.
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Therefore, its introduction into the game as it is now was a MISTAKE in the same way that a hole in the geometry is a MISTAKE.
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While I agree that the Shivan temp power is a mistake, it is in no way a mistake in the SAME way that a hole in the geometry is a mistake. Shivans are an entirely DIFFERENT kind of mistake.
Edit: Err, yeah, what Arcanaville said.
Why Blasters? Empathy Sucks.
So, you want to be Mental?
What the hell? Let's buff defenders.
Tactics are for those who do not have a big enough hammer. Wisdom is knowing how big your hammer is.
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<how'd you them apples BillZ? I saw you "hmmming" and wanted to take off on this idea>
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I'll buy it. But that fact is, there WERE others soloing AVs before ED/GDN. Catwhoorg was doing it long before Ultimus ever showed up.
I could do it using the knowledge I have of the game's exploits. I don't do it because it's not fun to me.
Soloing missions is fun for me. AVs are a waste of my time.
Finding ways to solo everything this game can throw at him using whatever he has to in order to accomplish it is fun for Ultimus.
I don't know what his actual motivations are, and don't actually care. It won't affect my gameplay, as I'll continue soloing paper/scanner missions and getting everything I need to fully stock my main with IOs.
If I am lacking anything I actually want, I'll find it either through friends and trades or the marketplace. No biggy.
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I was doing it since Pre-Issue 1 regenerations
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...Also the sewer trial may need attention as you can be level 50 fighting greys throughout on it (barring about 15 seconds while you grab a cannon) and do it comfortably in 30 mins, I did for the badges...
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No, please don't change this TF. It is insane any other way. It took an hour using this method.
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<how'd you them apples BillZ? I saw you "hmmming" and wanted to take off on this idea>
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I'll buy it. But that fact is, there WERE others soloing AVs before ED/GDN. Catwhoorg was doing it long before Ultimus ever showed up.
I could do it using the knowledge I have of the game's exploits. I don't do it because it's not fun to me.
Soloing missions is fun for me. AVs are a waste of my time.
Finding ways to solo everything this game can throw at him using whatever he has to in order to accomplish it is fun for Ultimus.
I don't know what his actual motivations are, and don't actually care. It won't affect my gameplay, as I'll continue soloing paper/scanner missions and getting everything I need to fully stock my main with IOs.
If I am lacking anything I actually want, I'll find it either through friends and trades or the marketplace. No biggy.
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I was doing it since Pre-Issue 1 regenerations
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Well, I thought I already pointed that out and I thought it was well known it was easier to do in the earlier issues though i obviously such tacttic and builds went right by me before I had a chance to see what they could really do.
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Map holes are not meant to be used. Shivans are explicitly meant to be used.
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Shivans are an entirely DIFFERENT kind of mistake.
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All right, I concede the point.
Shivans and map holes are completely different kinds of stupid.
Much like soloing AVs with shivans. Much like the current tactics used for the LRSF.
The devs create situations, and players do what they must with the tools at their disposal to get around those situations.
Ultimus chooses to use shivans and nukes, I choose to run on the 4th diff so I don't have to waste my time on the bloated bags of hitpoints that AVs have become.
In that, I'm no different than Ultimus. But be aware, soloing AVs with shivans is no more an accomplishment than lowering one's difficulty to turn them into EBs.
Be well, people of CoH.
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The Shivan Temp Power is AS blatantly overpowered as the Original Nemesis Staff before it was adjusted. Therefore, its introduction into the game as it is now was a MISTAKE in the same way that a hole in the geometry is a MISTAKE.
Using a MISTAKE in the code is the same no matter how you attempt to rationalize it. It's an exploit.
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Edited because, well, you already conceded the point I felt like arguing while I was typing the post, and I respect you too much to barrage you with more of the same.
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Horrible misuse of the word "exploit" there.
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How so? What's different about using an obviously broken temp power and an obviously broken hole in the map to accomplish a task? Both are blatant mistakes put into the game by the developers, both are cheap ways to get past something you don't want to do the "legitimate" way.
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You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
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hmmmmmmm......
Be well, people of CoH.