I can solo Trials and TFs in less then 30 mins
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anarchicgorilla,
Posted on: 2007-02-16 13:05 in The Market and Inventions
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Opinions of Ulitmas's motives....
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Never have I seen my name so butchered since Castle called me Optimus... then again there was a time back in Everquest when I was tanking a raid mob after our first tank went down and he yelled
GO TULIMUS
Bah. No one asked, you, Ultimo! 
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Opinions of Ulitmas's motives....
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Never have I seen my name so butchered since Castle called me Optimus... then again there was a time back in Everquest when I was tanking a raid mob after our first tank went down and he yelled
GO TULIMUS
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Yeah, switching a couple letters around...pretty bad...
Ultimus,
I have a question.
How many TFs/SFs would you say you can do this with?
I ask, because if you can do this with a significant number of TFs/SFs, you could bypass any time limitation set by the devs.
Also, if you can do this with several alts, you can bypass time limits that way.
The LRSF is a prime example of how ineffectual time limits to rewards can be. Many individuals and SGs farm the LRSF. They just rotate through alts. I know of players with 10+ level 50 villains who run the LRSF once daily per toon. Ultimately, there is would be little difference without the time limit. If this happens on a low population server like Pinnacle, I imagine it happens on every other server as well.
Whether they would have to switch toons or switch TFs/SFs, farmers will still farm.
*At best you can only slow them down slightly. Any mechanic that would increase rarity of items just provides more incentive for farmers to do their thing.
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That's interesting to me, Arcanaville. I enjoy the fights I get and the feeling I get from defeating EBs without the use of any inspirations or temp powers.
That's not even a possibility with AVs. With ANY build.
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I'm still working on a long term feasibility experiment I don't want to discuss a lot yet, but lets just say that I have a build that is soloing things you wouldn't believe without video proof: no temp powers, no inspirations, no nothing.
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It can be done in game too. I have solo'd AV's with out temp powers.
Fire/Elec brute w/ aid self is very very nasty when min maxed strictly on PvE.
All you need is a few things to beat an AV without the above
1) Damage to beat out regeneration rate and health
2) Sustainable endurance
3) Ability to mitigate the damage
EM,SS,FM / Elec brutes can all do the above on paper.
Why I find FM to be the easist is that the longer animation allow one to skip the need for macros to ensure max chain DPS and the cheaper endx cost single target chain allows one to maintain that very high DPS at a cheaper endurance cost. And with the fix to fury vs AV's you can still maintain 90ish fury thoughout the fight.
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Opinions of Ulitmas's motives....
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Never have I seen my name so butchered since Castle called me Optimus... then again there was a time back in Everquest when I was tanking a raid mob after our first tank went down and he yelled
GO TULIMUS
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You have no idea.
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BTW... how have you managed to make missions more tactical? The only way I have found is to build a toon (mainly /dev blasters) that find the need to use tactics more necessary.
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I have solo'd AV's with out temp powers.
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If that is what I was trying to do, I would have just said so. I've done that many times.
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BTW... how have you managed to make missions more tactical? The only way I have found is to build a toon (mainly /dev blasters) that find the need to use tactics more necessary.
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Try soloing Rularuu missions on invincible with a blaster. It gets fairly tactical for me.
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Ultimus,
I have a question.
How many TFs/SFs would you say you can do this with?
I ask, because if you can do this with a significant number of TFs/SFs, you could bypass any time limitation set by the devs.
Also, if you can do this with several alts, you can bypass time limits that way.
The LRSF is a prime example of how ineffectual time limits to rewards can be. Many individuals and SGs farm the LRSF. They just rotate through alts. I know of players with 10+ level 50 villains who run the LRSF once daily per toon. Ultimately, there is would be little difference without the time limit. If this happens on a low population server like Pinnacle, I imagine it happens on every other server as well.
Whether they would have to switch toons or switch TFs/SFs, farmers will still farm.
*At best you can only slow them down slightly. Any mechanic that would increase rarity of items just provides more incentive for farmers to do their thing.
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Any of them. Which actually just created an idea into my head...
What if TF/SF rewards were "No Drop?" Simply put these rewards could not be traded. World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs do this on a lot of instanced items.
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BTW... how have you managed to make missions more tactical? The only way I have found is to build a toon (mainly /dev blasters) that find the need to use tactics more necessary.
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Try soloing Rularuu missions on invincible with a blaster. It gets fairly tactical for me.
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Do you mean the regular Kora fruit/clear cave x of Rularuu missions? I've done those with my Blaster set to Invincible... it's a pain in the keister but not really hard. Well it was hard for me but I'm not an uber player either... I consider myself to be about average. I don't think I'm capable of soling an AV in any case... I'd think for the really good players the Rularuu missions on Invincible would be fairly easy.
*Looks back at my post* Ugh. No sarcasm was intended there, though it may possibly look that way. I'm sick with the flu and doped up on codeine cough suppressant and NyQuil... cut me a little slack please. 
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BTW... how have you managed to make missions more tactical? The only way I have found is to build a toon (mainly /dev blasters) that find the need to use tactics more necessary.
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Try soloing Rularuu missions on invincible with a blaster. It gets fairly tactical for me.
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Do you mean the regular Kora fruit/clear cave x of Rularuu missions? I've done those with my Blaster set to Invincible... it's a pain in the keister but not really hard. Well it was hard for me but I'm not an uber player either... I consider myself to be about average. I don't think I'm capable of soling an AV in any case... I'd think for the really good players the Rularuu missions on Invincible would be fairly easy.
*Looks back at my post* Ugh. No sarcasm was intended there, though it may possibly look that way. I'm sick with the flu and doped up on codeine cough suppressant and NyQuil... cut me a little slack please.
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Its been a while since I've done the Kora fruit missions. Do those have +3 bosses in them? The ones I'm thinking of do.
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The only trouble i had was with babbage, in which a simple call in bcast took care off.
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Did they change something? Cuz last I remeber, you could just run away from Babbage in Synapse's TF... you didn't actually have to fight him, he just shows up as an outdoor ambush...
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BTW... how have you managed to make missions more tactical? The only way I have found is to build a toon (mainly /dev blasters) that find the need to use tactics more necessary.
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Try soloing Rularuu missions on invincible with a blaster. It gets fairly tactical for me.
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Do you mean the regular Kora fruit/clear cave x of Rularuu missions? I've done those with my Blaster set to Invincible... it's a pain in the keister but not really hard. Well it was hard for me but I'm not an uber player either... I consider myself to be about average. I don't think I'm capable of soling an AV in any case... I'd think for the really good players the Rularuu missions on Invincible would be fairly easy.
*Looks back at my post* Ugh. No sarcasm was intended there, though it may possibly look that way. I'm sick with the flu and doped up on codeine cough suppressant and NyQuil... cut me a little slack please.
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Its been a while since I've done the Kora fruit missions. Do those have +3 bosses in them? The ones I'm thinking of do.
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I haven't been to FBZ with my 50 in months... I do recall that the missions that I did had purple whatsumawhoozit bosses though... I can't remember the names, but the really skinny alien looking ones... the minions are wisps I think. Anyway, yeah those are tough because of that containment field they have. Overseers and Noble Brutes aren't quite as sucky to fight.
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The only trouble i had was with babbage, in which a simple call in bcast took care off.
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Did they change something? Cuz last I remeber, you could just run away from Babbage in Synapse's TF... you didn't actually have to fight him, he just shows up as an outdoor ambush...
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Yeah you can still avoid him if you don't want to fight him... but if you're solo you'd better be able to handle that alpha (that's the first attack from the mob unless I totally missed it... bah, I never actually saw a written definition, just examples of it used in various forum posts and... sorry I'm rambling... freaking meds. *Goes to bed*)
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What if TF/SF rewards were "No Drop?" Simply put these rewards could not be traded. World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs do this on a lot of instanced items.
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Consider how hard it is for MOST builds, and players, to get a TF or Trial done.
Consider that the Developers consider the AH to be the solution to "but I can't get ____ anymore/ever/etc".
And then ... well, I'm sure you can figure out how they go together.
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I have solo'd AV's with out temp powers.
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If that is what I was trying to do, I would have just said so. I've done that many times.
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Now when you say 'solo'. Do you mean you were able to survive their assault indefinitely or you were able to kill them? Because without some way to counter-act their massive +Regen rate how did you accomplish this?
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The entire point of this thread has gone out the window.
1.) Optimus thinks he can solo every TF in under 30 minutes and that it is too easy to obtain the rare recipe reward.
2.) Most of the people in this thread call shenanigans or don't see it as in issues as they themselves can't duplicate the feat.
3.) The rest of the thread has turned into a pissing contest/Q&A
4.) If they were actually explaining HOW they did it in detail the thread my might still have a point for those curious how it's done, but they aren't sharing.
Just let this damn thread die already
Centinull
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The entire point of this thread has gone out the window.
1.) Optimus thinks he can solo every TF in under 30 minutes and that it is too easy to obtain the rare recipe reward.
2.) Most of the people in this thread call shenanigans or don't see it as in issues as they themselves can't duplicate the feat.
3.) The rest of the thread has turned into a pissing contest/Q&A
4.) If they were actually explaining HOW they did it in detail the thread my might still have a point for those curious how it's done, but they aren't sharing.
Just let this damn thread die already
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Well logically then, if most people can't duplicate the feat, it's hardly "too easy". It may be too easy for a select few gamers, but not to the majority. The real issue that people are fearing is that the select few might somehow "flood the market" by farming them and earning vast quantities of these rares... realistically I don't see that happening, no matter how much farming those select few do.
I can agree... there's really no cause for alarm.
I never thought of the market being flooded as a possible result. I still can't see the work of the 1337 few flooding the market with rare recipes.......
HERE'S TO HOPING THEY DO !!!!!!
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Ultimus,
I have a question.
How many TFs/SFs would you say you can do this with?
I ask, because if you can do this with a significant number of TFs/SFs, you could bypass any time limitation set by the devs.
Also, if you can do this with several alts, you can bypass time limits that way.
The LRSF is a prime example of how ineffectual time limits to rewards can be. Many individuals and SGs farm the LRSF. They just rotate through alts. I know of players with 10+ level 50 villains who run the LRSF once daily per toon. Ultimately, there is would be little difference without the time limit. If this happens on a low population server like Pinnacle, I imagine it happens on every other server as well.
Whether they would have to switch toons or switch TFs/SFs, farmers will still farm.
*At best you can only slow them down slightly. Any mechanic that would increase rarity of items just provides more incentive for farmers to do their thing.
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Any of them. Which actually just created an idea into my head...
What if TF/SF rewards were "No Drop?" Simply put these rewards could not be traded. World of Warcraft and other MMORPGs do this on a lot of instanced items.
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Well, since you can do this to all TFs/SFs (and that must be an exageration as I have done all TFs and know for a fact that SHard TFs are not capable of being soloed do to simo clicks) there is ZERO way in which the Devs can actually nerf your ability to farm Pool C (you would simply circumvent any time limit by switching Alts/TFs), aside from making TFs/SFs nonrepeatable content. Considering the outcry to Pool B, I doubt that will happen. Even if they were to nerf Shivans, it is quite ossible for you to lay out multiple Boss level pets from temp powers, resulting in a similar effect (IE Amy + Heavy + Warwolf). Congratz, you are unnerfable
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I never thought of the market being flooded as a possible result. I still can't see the work of the 1337 few flooding the market with rare recipes.......
HERE'S TO HOPING THEY DO !!!!!!
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No, but that's been the concern of several posters in this thread as far as I can see... as I said, I as well don't think those few are capable of flooding the market so to speak.
Eh, the Warwolf temp power never seemed all that beefy to me...
it isnt, by itself, but added with other temp pets it definitely adds power.
I never had much use for Shivans myself. Half the time they seem to attack the completely wrong target or no target at all. When I see players pull them out vs AVs, they either don't attack or die quite rapidly. Their path finding skills are laughable if you want to use them for more than one mob. Just because I discount them doesn't mean they aren't useful though.
If people really want to nerf SHivans, there is one simple, finite answer. Make them nonrepeatable content. IE, it doesnt matter how many times you run the Shivan Shard outdoor PvP task, each character could only get the temp power 1 time in its lifetime.
Opinions of Ultimus's motives should be set aside: He's bringing up a valid point about the ability of people to farm Task/Strike Forces which would lead to a glut of "rare" Designs (Recipes is a cheesy choice for a term, in my opinion). This would lead to some kind of action by the devs which, based on the past, would lead to the worst possible solution for the problem.
Hopefully, they will come to their senses and decide to limit one Design drop per 12-24 hours from a single Task/Strike Force which should not affect the Design drop rate from the completion of other Task/Strike Forces. For example, If you do Synapse's Task Force and get a Design to drop, you should immediately be able to run the Villain Respec Trial and still have the exact same chance to get a Design drop. If you try to run Synapse twice in a row, however, you would not have a chance for a second Design drop upon success. Don't they have this in place for the LRSF currently? Plus, they plan on doing this with the new proposed Hamidon Encounters.
Leave the Shivans exactly as they are: Casual and well-informed players, alike, should be able to use them since AV's and EB's seem impossible to balance based on the Archetype used to fight them. I can solo EB's with my Tanker, but have a hard time with most of them with my Corruptor. The argument about what is considered "soloing an AV" can continue into infinity as far as I'm concerned as I couldn't care less. I play for fun, not to do math, bully people nor want to cause someone physical harm because they programmed NPC's to stun my characters for a ridiculous amount of time while making AV's nearly immune to controls. It's more frustrating that Shivans have become so needed than that everyone is using them.
There, I fixed it for you.
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