I can solo Trials and TFs in less then 30 mins
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anarchicgorilla,
Posted on: 2007-02-16 13:05 in The Market and Inventions
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I'm sorry, but I DO NOT BELIEVE anyone who says they can solo AVs with anything but specialized builds, level 50's exemped down slotted with HO's, and a mammoth tray full of inspirations.
The bump to the AV regen rate alone has made the DPS requirement on the player out of the realm of possibility for most builds.
Brutes have an easier time than most, but I can't see a Blaster/Defender/Stalker accomplish it.
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Have you seen my Tanker and Brute threads?
No I haven't read your Tank/Brute threads.
But there is an astronomical leap between a tank/brute doing it and anybody being able to do it.
If you would be soo kind as to provide a link to your threads I would be happy to indulge your invitation to read them.
Centinull
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I'm sorry, but I DO NOT BELIEVE anyone who says they can solo AVs with anything but specialized builds, level 50's exemped down slotted with HO's, and a mammoth tray full of inspirations.
The bump to the AV regen rate alone has made the DPS requirement on the player out of the realm of possibility for most builds.
Brutes have an easier time than most, but I can't see a Blaster/Defender/Stalker accomplish it.
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Have you seen my Tanker and Brute threads?
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Yes, and they make this Otter laugh and point, then shake my head and wonder just HOW your doing it. Then other people point out trays of Purple Pills, Shivans, Warburg Nukes, yadda yadda yadda. Still, I really would like to see you do what you claim to be rather trivial for you. My Fire/Fire Brute is 45 and on Freedom, hint hint.
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No I haven't read your Tank/Brute threads.
But there is an astronomical leap between a tank/brute doing it and anybody being able to do it.
If you would be soo kind as to provide a link to your threads I would be happy to indulge your invitation to read them.
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Well my Tanker thread was removed when boards got purged but my Brute thread is there. My tanker was Stone/SS I still do have the screenshots though.
Brute thread
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Communication like this leads to honest evaluation of our tactics by both the devs and players.
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Communication like this discourages teaming and encourages a playstyle contrary to the game's design philosophy.
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The question is, do you want a game where the powergamers and the gold farmers have a code of silence about their clever tactics and try to fly beneath the radar? I'd rather have it out in the open. Not talking about it doesn't change what's possible.
This is not a very hard game, especially on heroic. The spawn size system is absurdly exploitable and most good solo builds can handle a mid-size team's spawns anyway. Thanks to inspirations, the only real roadblock is AV regen rate. Most players never go anywhere near the limit of what the archetypes are capable of except for powerleveling - and now potentially farming loot. Compare this to the elaborate tweaking of solo or duo builds in Guildwars for instances like UW and FoW...
Personally, I think farming rare recipes solo is not a big issue. I'd be more concerned about having 7 people log out on a TF until the last mission, and then finish it off and get 8 rare recipes.
Or just look at finding the easiest possible TF/trial to quickly farm:
- Cavern of Transcendence (invis+tp, very very short)
- Eden (zerging the titan, can be very short)
- Villain respec
- Sewers (exploiting with lv50s)
- Katie, Hess, anything short
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No I haven't read your Tank/Brute threads.
But there is an astronomical leap between a tank/brute doing it and anybody being able to do it.
If you would be soo kind as to provide a link to your threads I would be happy to indulge your invitation to read them.
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Well my Tanker thread was removed when boards got purged but my Brute thread is there. My tanker was Stone/SS I still do have the screenshots though.
Brute thread
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I'll read the thread and get back to you.
But the point remains about using an optimal build. I run Stone/SS myself. Stone properly slotted provides unrivaled protection in the game and super strength's Rage puts them to top tier damage.
Centinull
I read your Brute thread and found it quite entertaining.
It was an enjoyable read and I dig your costume.
I'm sorry. Please indulge this one cheap shot.
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lol your shivian must post on his shivian forums about all the AVs hes solod and everyone tells him naaaa you had an ultimus pet out thats not fair
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I gathered this from reading the thread
1.) Shivan offsets AV regen by doing huge amounts of damage
2.) Your brute tanks it out untill his Fury allows him to do astronomical amounts of damage
3.) Your toon has been specially bred for it with the help of higher level toons with accolades not normally available at those levels.
In those circumstances I do believe it is possible, but those circumstances will not occur for 99.9% of charecters in the game.
Since this is only possible for less than 1% of toons in the game the concern over trials and TF's being milked for rare recipes in unfounded, exagerrated, and generally a nonissue.
Centinull
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I read your Brute thread and found it quite entertaining.
It was an enjoyable read and I dig your costume.
I'm sorry. Please indulge this one cheap shot.
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lol your shivian must post on his shivian forums about all the AVs hes solod and everyone tells him naaaa you had an ultimus pet out thats not fair
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I gathered this from reading the thread
1.) Shivan offsets AV regen by doing huge amounts of damage
2.) Your brute tanks it out untill his Fury allows him to do astronomical amounts of damage
3.) Your toon has been specially bred for it with the help of higher level toons with accolades not normally available at those levels.
In those circumstances I do believe it is possible, but those circumstances will not occur for 99.9% of charecters in the game.
Since this is only possible for less than 1% of toons in the game the concern over trials and TF's being milked for rare recipes in unfounded, exagerrated, and generally a nonissue.
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The accolades I got on my own without the help. They really don't make that much of a difference either. Force of Nature will get you killed against an AV.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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Heh, so you can nerf it and make it harder for everyone else, I doubt he'd tell you imo.
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Let Ultimus do his thing.
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But, but...isn't there a law against that? Oh! you mean in the game, hehe. Sorry 
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Since this is only possible for less than 1% of toons in the game the concern over trials and TF's being milked for rare recipes in unfounded, exagerrated, and generally a nonissue.
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I'll concede that the accolades may not make a difference, but do you agree with my above assertion ?
Centinull
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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Actually Castle, i have to own up to doing similiar types of things. I soloed every single TF for the task force commander accolade with my Heroes. The missions would spawn small amounts, and be easy to complete. The only trouble i had was with babbage, in which a simple call in bcast took care off. For any really hard AV's i could just have my other account loaded in, or a friend show up to the fight, and the AV's would be reletively easy.
1 Brute can deystroy and AV when his fury bar is all the way up, and he has a buffer on the side. I think nukes and shivans would make it possible. Keep in mind shivans take about 10-15 min prep time. Not all that much.
I think they are overpowered and should be nerfed significantly. but thats just me.
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Just looking at what you've said here.....
How long does it take you find enough slugs to join your team/get in zone/explain how they will be kicked at the start of the TF?
How long does it take people to show up when Babbage is too much for you? (My 4 or 5 man team recently took about 10 minutes to get enough pickup/broadcast people on him to start dropping his health. They weren't enough, even with about a dozen of them, until somebody dropped to get their 50 rad controller.)
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Playing on the same server as Incursion (Champion), I would bet that it would take him 5 minutes to get his SG mates to start a TF for him. If they are too busy PVPing in the arena, he could probably get other forumites to start one within 10 minutes at the most.
As for cases like Babbage, again, I would say 5 or 10 minutes at the most.
All depends on server community.
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heh, Champion seems to have a pathological hatred of Babbage. I remember helping kill him three times in the space of 10 minutes one day. Every time the call went out, like 60 people showed up to fight him... 
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I believe our hatred for him came about when he stated that Champion sucks and that Freedumb is the best server. Even after proving to him that his statement was false, we still hold a grudge.
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Since this is only possible for less than 1% of toons in the game the concern over trials and TF's being milked for rare recipes in unfounded, exagerrated, and generally a nonissue.
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I'll concede that the accolades may not make a difference, but do you agree with my above assertion ?
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Nope the quote is pretty off. I don't consider myself some sort of super player. This isn't just one specific build but rather quite a lot of archetypes.
Have you ever read the Mastermind forum?
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I already stated I can do this with nearly any character combination/archetype.
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So what. Just because a couple of builds can do somethings why should everyone suffer. Until you can demonstrate that EVERY build in the game can solo every TF/TRIAL, all you are doing is nerf herding, not demonstrating that something is broken in the game mechanics.
Please, stop crying for nerfs because of things that power gamers may accomplish. Not everyone in this game is a powergamer. Won't someone please think of the average gamer?
The Cov respec trial is pretty easy once you have the knack, and certainly quicker than the hero one overall. There is just so much 'dead time' in the reactor between waves on a good team.
The positive suggestion of making a (heck ANY) TF/trial drop once per window.
Maybe not 24 hours how about 16 which allows a daytime Saturday TF to follow an evening Friday one.
Out of interest, which SF have you soloed in UNDER 30 mins ?
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Since this is only possible for less than 1% of toons in the game the concern over trials and TF's being milked for rare recipes in unfounded, exagerrated, and generally a nonissue.
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I'll concede that the accolades may not make a difference, but do you agree with my above assertion ?
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Nope the quote is pretty off. I don't consider myself some sort of super player. This isn't just one specific build but rather quite a lot of archetypes.
Have you ever read the Mastermind forum?
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It takes longer to set up and upgrade your henchmen than it does to finish a mission.
I've read the thread. Ultimus, your achievements at exploiting the temp powers I've hated since their introduction and your willingness to brag about it 24/7, I applaud.
When you can solo an AV without them, then get back to us. Until then, you're nothing but an exploiter of lousy decisions made by Crytpic.
It's really nothing to be proud of. Quite frankly, I see no difference between what you do and someone that jumps under the geometry to attack spawns in complete safety.
That said, I thank you for once again for bringing this under the spotlight, so perhaps shivans and nukes will be nuked, and the LRSF and Statesman's TF can be brought down to a level that non-exploiting players can deal with.
Be well, people of CoH.
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Does that 30-40 minutes include the time it took you to get Shivan's and/or nukes? If not, how long do you spend in prep time before each of these solo runs?
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Actually Castle, i have to own up to doing similiar types of things. I soloed every single TF for the task force commander accolade with my Heroes. The missions would spawn small amounts, and be easy to complete. The only trouble i had was with babbage, in which a simple call in bcast took care off. For any really hard AV's i could just have my other account loaded in, or a friend show up to the fight, and the AV's would be reletively easy.
1 Brute can deystroy and AV when his fury bar is all the way up, and he has a buffer on the side. I think nukes and shivans would make it possible. Keep in mind shivans take about 10-15 min prep time. Not all that much.
I think they are overpowered and should be nerfed significantly. but thats just me.
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Just looking at what you've said here.....
How long does it take you find enough slugs to join your team/get in zone/explain how they will be kicked at the start of the TF?
How long does it take people to show up when Babbage is too much for you? (My 4 or 5 man team recently took about 10 minutes to get enough pickup/broadcast people on him to start dropping his health. They weren't enough, even with about a dozen of them, until somebody dropped to get their 50 rad controller.)
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Playing on the same server as Incursion (Champion), I would bet that it would take him 5 minutes to get his SG mates to start a TF for him. If they are too busy PVPing in the arena, he could probably get other forumites to start one within 10 minutes at the most.
As for cases like Babbage, again, I would say 5 or 10 minutes at the most.
All depends on server community.
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heh, Champion seems to have a pathological hatred of Babbage. I remember helping kill him three times in the space of 10 minutes one day. Every time the call went out, like 60 people showed up to fight him...
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I believe our hatred for him came about when he stated that Champion sucks and that Freedumb is the best server. Even after proving to him that his statement was false, we still hold a grudge.
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heh, stupid giant robot thing! WE SHOWED HIM! IT! WHATEVER!
The OP is a troll.
The only thing worse than devs making bad decisions is the hoard of fanboys and bootlickers that keep cheering them on.
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And we are planning on attaching rares to these trials? My complaint about attaching these things to them (As Brainstorm said) is that I can complete these things WAY faster then any team can. I did in fact solo the City of Villains COV respec trial with my Brute in less then 25 minutes. (I think it was just a little over 19 minutes) Other SFs I've all soloed in COV in less then 30-40 minutes.
Ultimately, this means that if any of these Trials/TFs have rare recipes/salvage it will become VERY common by farmers. All a person needs is either a couple friends or dummy accounts to start the SF/Trial. Remember, Brainstorm also said that there is no specific enhancers tied to a SF/Trial. This means pick the easiest one and farm it with a single character.
I hate to say it but this means we need to either buff Arch Villains where they cannot be soloed anymore or limit Shivans/Nukes to PVP zones.
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My husband and I can DUO almost every trail and Task force in the game..
I see a future of DUOing so we can get the drops and not share them with others..
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well, if the farmer PL ub3rl337 players of the world want to go out of their way to run a tf/sf/trial every 30 minutes in order to make influence off the tading houses, that just increases supply beyond demand allowing those of us who cannot even get a tf/sf/trial team to form or run in the time allowed. TYVM for allowing me to purchase that uber rare loot item for 5 Influence. Please continue with your style of play, but import it to Pinnacle. I dont have the time to get evrything myself. 
Horrible misuse of the word "exploit" there.
Anyway, I was just working on a mini-project to contribute to this thread.
Forcefield/energy defender + shivan (with powerboost bubbles) vs. mother mayhem.
And failed.
HOWEVER, Knowing her pattern... and getting the right inspirations to survive the shivan downtime, I'd have her beat in 2-2.5 shivans.
Shivans are just silly ridiculous, Ultimus's boasting is pretty old, but the issue is a legitimate one.
You missed his point entirely. He wants drop rates drastically nerfed so that every who isn't an elite farmer will have no chance of getting a rare, and instead will have to buy them.
Horrible misuse of the word "exploit" there.
Anyway, I was just working on a mini-project to contribute to this thread.
Forcefield/energy defender + shivan (with powerboost bubbles) vs. mother mayhem.
And failed.
HOWEVER, Knowing her pattern... and getting the right inspirations to survive the shivan downtime, I'd have her beat in 2-2.5 shivans.
Shivans are just silly ridiculous, Ultimus's boasting is pretty old, but the issue is a legitimate one.
Getting the shivan was fun though, I just stalked a villain doing his/her own shivan hunting and entered the firebase with impunity using PFF.
Nerf forcefield defenders
I'm sorry, but I DO NOT BELIEVE anyone who says they can solo AVs with anything but specialized builds, level 50's exemped down slotted with HO's, and a mammoth tray full of inspirations.
The bump to the AV regen rate alone has made the DPS requirement on the player out of the realm of possibility for most builds.
Brutes have an easier time than most, but I can't see a Blaster/Defender/Stalker accomplish it.
Centinull