Suppose an emulator shows up, How many of you would go on?

nope. assuming the other person didnt know the other one existed.

Seeing as how it's well known by players this IP exist and owned by NCSoft, then it would be. But if it so happen that somewhere that two people developed the same game with the same code at the same time and one sold, and the other one is sitting underground somewhere waiting for it's chance, then by all means. Yet, still, legally they still would have to prove that this was the case.

not to mention that with the talk of making a emulator here on this forum, that case went down the tube. It's just blatant stealing. Given that they know the IP isnt theirs, yet they decide to just take it anyways regardless.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

The point isn't to make a profit on others' work, it's to maintain its availability to a public that also wishes to see that picture. An emulated server makes no claims on ownership, just like the fact that I can buy a copy of Van Gogh's Starry Night or Da Vinci's Mona Lisa doesn't mean I have any right of ownership to the original. Likewise, prints of a painting don't do anything to devalue the original work of art.

IF an emulated CoH server comes to be, nobody will claim that it was their inspiration that brought it into being. Nobody will say, "Yes, I invented Statesman." Nor should they require substantial fees for access to that content--any money earned for the effort of creating an emulator needs to go to maintaining the servers and the effort of improving the emulator (i.e., a small stipend to pay the people who maintain the game).

Anything else would, in fact, be immoral, and I would no longer support the project, but in fact oppose it.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Yes but unlike those paintings mentioned, which entered public domain iirc, the IP is still owned by NCSoft directly. And the keyword there is money earned. Money earned off work of someone else that they are not getting compensation for nor was purchased from the owner. Making money off a product that they have no ownership of. Sounds illegal in the trademark/copyright/IP law realm.

Wouldnt it be better to just wait and see what they do with it first and get it the legal way? Or just create a new game instead of this illegal stuff? As mentioned earlier, I dont see the logic in investing time or money is even less stable and can be shut down anytime or interupted because of NCSoft wants a cut and or wants people to stop making money off of their work that they paid millions for, even if that money is just to cover the maintence, it's still charging people for a service and is still is income.

Why not just ask if they would bless an emulator version of the work instead of trying to take it by force and go through all the risk and trouble. 8 years seems to be considered young for this game, and at this rate, it may not make it half that depending soley on NCSoft's move anyways.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

I'm not debating the legality. I can simultaneously accept that the law may consider it to be stealing while still asserting that in actuality it is not.

true.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Totally this.

Like I said, I'm perfectly willing to pay money to whomever wants to legally run a server. But I consider donating to a fan-run emulator server a far more fair solution than the fact that the person/people/corporation that technically owns it are refusing my money and not letting me play at all.

Originally Posted by Nethergoat it's NEVER too late to pad your /ignore list!

Minor thread derail:

The original thought was that Iran had blocked access because WoW features scantily-clad female avatars, and we cant have teh mens all hot-n'-bothered by a bunch of pixels, nosirree. Jihad has been declared for less.

This went on and on until Blizzard actually admitted that they had pulled the plug in compliance with US sanctions. And no.... they were *not* offering refunds, to refund money would have been to break current US law.

With that said, someone please hurry up with the CoX emulator already.

Why? Nearly all of the current devs are unfamiliar to me, and I only left three years ago. Only War Witch and Positron are still around, at least the ones I'm familiar with. The current game is practically unrecognizable to what was released in 2004. To say it wouldn't have the same "spirit" is pretty silly. And who knows? Maybe they'll try to poach some of the old guys back.

Emulators=eventual hacked gameplay and "fixes " that won't fix anything. Stalkers with blaster nukes and tankers with Defender debuffs. Emulators will kill an already dead game, perverting the gameplay.

I hope this is sarcasm.

This is already in the game, see: Incarnate abilities.

Ha, no. I'm talking completely rewriting the powers in this game.

Oh come on, I want Assassin's Heal.

It's not like the gameplay isn't broken enough as is. With IOs people can already become unstoppable juggernauts, and Incarnate powers just make that problem worse. If anything, hacking powers may even serve to improve certain aspects of the game like PvP, for example.

It'd also be nice if someone could figure out how to make actual storyarcs without AE so we can get a better writer to make arcs that make sense and don't take inspiration from DBZ.

What is it with you? Every subject similar to this, involving the continuement, legal or illegal you reply with some mysteriously coy statement.

Know something? Stop acting like a secret agent and tell us.

Nearly 67K posts all like that* and you expect change ?


*This determination is made by random sample. I.E. every post I have ever seen has been like that with a few exceptions about boobs.

Frankly, the arguments about legality have more going for them. Where did you make this up from? You have no way to know that things like that would happen, that it would "ruin" the game for anyone except apparently you if it did.

Seriously, this sounds to me like proclaiming no one should get out of bed tomorrow because the day might suck for completely out-of-the-blue reasons. Yeah, it might. Everything and every day is like that. It's only a reason not to get out of bed if you're a terminal pessimist.

The private server project I mentioned above uses a MySQL database to mimic the real thing. I don't know how much it copies from the real deal, though. Interestingly, a lot of the actual functionality, everything from NPC scripts to quests and even how abilities work is handled by lua scripting. The servers (login/map/search) can be set to run for localhost.

I'm sure you hope so, or your online persona becomes even more meaningless.

Oh and an update for you from this morning:

Every game in history that has a server component controllable by players has been hacked in one fashion or another to create "new derivatives."

I have historical evidence to back up my beliefs. You have wishful thinking to back up yours. And cluelessness.

Yea figured so. I guess that includes even if the money is merely to cover the operating expenses and stipend to the people that does the work.

Which I wonder, in theory, what happens to the extra money that is laying over if say there are more than enough players to cover the expenses? Is that returned to the players, pocketed by someone, or what

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!