NCsoft Response to City of Heroes player and fan suggestions
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Posted on: 2012-10-02 13:46 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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Copyright law doesn't work that way afaik. If a person/organization does something that infringes then they are responsible for it regardless of time passed or ownership changed. The only way out of that seems to be for the infringer to get someone else to take full legal responsibility, which is exactly what NC$hit is trying to do.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
That sounds like standard procedure of any company washing their hands completely of a product. No one wants to get sued over something that they do not own/control any longer and or not making money from. Sounds like it was suppose to be something like "Here, if you buy it now you're buying it as-is with no gurantees and anything that happens from this point you are responsible."
Sounds like the people that was looking to buy didnt want to take any risk and expect NCSoft to hold the risk in something they would no longer own. No wonder NCSoft held on to it. That is assuming what is stated above is and were to be the case. No one wants to be sued over something they have no control over any longer. It's like if they did recieve a C&D order over old content and NCSoft contacts the new company and say remove said content but new owner refuses and thus NCSoft gets sued. No risk to the new owner. |
If a buyer signs on the dotted line with that stipulation they become solely responsible for the infringement and the actual responsible party walks away free and clear.
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I think that is the point.
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Originally Posted by TamRael
Copyright law doesn't work that way afaik. If a person/organization does something that infringes then they are responsible for it regardless of time passed or ownership changed. The only way out of that seems to be for the infringer to get someone else to take full legal responsibility, which is exactly what NC$hit is trying to do.
If a buyer signs on the dotted line with that stipulation they become solely responsible for the infringement and the actual responsible party walks away free and clear. |
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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Originally Posted by TamRael
Copyright law doesn't work that way afaik. If a person/organization does something that infringes then they are responsible for it regardless of time passed or ownership changed. The only way out of that seems to be for the infringer to get someone else to take full legal responsibility, which is exactly what NC$hit is trying to do.
If a buyer signs on the dotted line with that stipulation they become solely responsible for the infringement and the actual responsible party walks away free and clear. |
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
I think that is the point.
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Shutting the game down won't protect them though, they are still on the hook for any litigation that arises regardless.
It's a lose/lose situation for them. Sell the game without that stipulation and they could be sued (has there ever been a suit filed against the CoX IP?). Don't sell the game and the PR disaster continues to escalate. Sooner or later investors are gonna want to know why the companies profits are down.
Selling the game without that stipulation would appear to be the lesser of two evils. They make some money off a property that is currently making none and put a stop to all the bad press. Yes, there is the outside chance of a lawsuit, but as I asked up above, has there ever been a suit filed against the COX IP?
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meh, dont think it will be that big of a PR disaster. Profits seemed to be down anyways. If they didnt kill game, investors probably be on their case. If they did kill game players will be on their case. I guess they just tried to pick the lesser of the evils. |
Originally Posted by TamRael
That is exactly the point. NC$hit is trying to get someone else to take a bullet for them.
Shutting the game down won't protect them though, they are still on the hook for any litigation that arises regardless. It's a lose/lose situation for them. Sell the game without that stipulation and they could be sued (has there ever been a suit filed against the CoX IP?). Don't sell the game and the PR disaster continues to escalate. Sooner or later investors are gonna want to know why the companies profits are down. Selling the game without that stipulation would appear to be the lesser of two evils. They make some money off a property that is currently making none and put a stop to all the bad press. Yes, there is the outside chance of a lawsuit, but as I asked up above, has there ever been a suit filed against the COX IP? |
Think there was a claimed filed against them a while ago that was settled out of court but it was more about some in game items. Then since there havent been any lawsuits filed against the IP, then the buyer should have been more than willing to sign the papers. Sounds like the buyer wanted NCSoft to be on the hook over a product that they would no longer own.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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Not that I know of nor any reason to suspect such a lawsuit would be presented. The game itself has been the subject of two lawsuits that I remember. The first being the Marvel lawsuit about the capability for players to create characters that look like Marvel characters. The second being the Worlds.com patent litigation, but that was directed against NCSoft as a whole.
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Originally Posted by TamRael
Selling the game without that stipulation would appear to be the lesser of two evils. They make some money off a property that is currently making none and put a stop to all the bad press. Yes, there is the outside chance of a lawsuit, but as I asked up above, has there ever been a suit filed against the COX IP?
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Well alright then.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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I hate to toot my own horn, but this may give you a quick laugh.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=297957
Save City of Heroes!
Umm I was talking with a friend, and he mentioned that Nexon and Perfect World are in some kind of partnership to help spread PW games. Is there any truth to this? (I am wondering because well PW owning Cryptic Studios and all((of course I might be the late comer to this story)))
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Many countries have laws that limit a foreign company's access to the market and even if there aren't such laws, many foreign companies don't have the people with the country-specific-legal or culture-specific marketing knowhow to operate elsewhere. Because of this, 'distribution license agreements' are rather common, and the networks get rather complex. If you study them enough, you can probably associate every asian gaming company with any other one of your choice in fewer steps than you could associate me with Kevin Bacon.|
Originally Posted by DreamsRazor
Umm I was talking with a friend, and he mentioned that Nexon and Perfect World are in some kind of partnership to help spread PW games. Is there any truth to this? (I am wondering because well PW owning Cryptic Studios and all((of course I might be the late comer to this story)))
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While its simple to think of this as a wider conspiracy, these partnerships & share purchases are legal entities that serve a specific purpose and not much beyond that. Even in their stated purpose they're usually ineffective and minimally executed shells, for that matter.
Oh cool, then, from what I have been researching it sounded like it was a bigger deal...joint ventures http://www.chinatechnews.com/2011/11...th-nexon-korea
and strategic alliances
http://www.pwrd.com/html/en/news_c_111110.html
Just must be the wording of the marketing boiler plate that makes the inner Coast 2 Coast fan in me scream Cover Up!
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Sad times 
I cannot understand why NCSoft has done this. With all the MMO's out there City of Heroes was a unique niche market. Most mmos are the same: eleves, trolls, orcs, etc... City of Heroes offered a different kind of MMO. The community made it even better. It just sickens me that even though the game was still making a profit it wasn't considered enough so it was shelved.
I haven't been able to log in for a couple of weeks as I have been too upset. As for NCSoft. I will be boycotting them for quite awhile. Not feeling too confident in a company that is willing to shut down a popular one of a kind game.
I will miss the community and wish everyone a great future.
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Originally Posted by Crooked Halo
Sad times
I cannot understand why NCSoft has done this. With all the MMO's out there City of Heroes was a unique niche market. Most mmos are the same: eleves, trolls, orcs, etc... City of Heroes offered a different kind of MMO. The community made it even better. It just sickens me that even though the game was still making a profit it wasn't considered enough so it was shelved.I haven't been able to log in for a couple of weeks as I have been too upset. As for NCSoft. I will be boycotting them for quite awhile. Not feeling too confident in a company that is willing to shut down a popular one of a kind game. I will miss the community and wish everyone a great future. Regards Pheadora |
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I guess having the best game of its genre is not enough.
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I agree. The last I heard, ANYTHING > Zero. If they can't get an actual COMPANY to offer the kind of money they're looking to get (which is, apparently more than nothing, which is what they get by trashing the whole ball of wax), why don't they just offer to sell "licenses" to the playerbase? For $100, they send you a copy of all the server-side files, and you can buy a server machine, and set up your own server of the game? There would be enough of us willing to buy a copy to make them a SUBSTANTIAL sum, which is one HECKUVA lot more than the NOTHING they are looking to get. (Speaking of which, I'm by NO MEANS the first to say that NOTHING is exactly what NCsoft will see from Western gamers, should they "sunset" the game like this. Gamers talk with other gamers. And gamers can be VERY petty people...the type of people who boycott any and all of a company's products...in perpetuity. Should it happen as suggested, I've no doubt that NCsoft will never see another penny in the States, at the very least.)
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
To be fair to NCSoft, turning down offers of cash from something that you were just going to just throw away must be pretty exhausting.
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DDO has been fan run for years despite still being under the Atari name. The game is still around and being updated despite having a smaller fanbase than CoX and being in a far more crowded genre market.
It costs Atari almost nothing to do this and NCSoft could do the same. The fact that they don't shows they don't want to, not that they can't.
In the grand scheme of MMO's, very few die completely unless the parent company deliberately kills it. The majority of MMO's that have been made are still out there. Finding the software to play it might be difficult but they're still out there.
So I wish the NCSoft apologists would stop talking about hundreds of thousands to millions of dollars. Those numbers aren't realistic and it's not the way the business works; never has been. NCSoft is shutting down the game because they want to, not becasue they can't keep it running.
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Ummm, about NCFail exhausting all efforts to sell CoH....I found this over on Facebook....
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/14/ncs...s-says-report/
I do not know whether this is true or not so I will let the reader be the judge....
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I wouldn't be surprised if this was true. Whether it is or not though, I say we get this out to as many people as possible.
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Originally Posted by UndyingImhotep
Ummm, about NCFail exhausting all efforts to sell CoH....I found this over on Facebook....
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/14/ncs...s-says-report/ I do not know whether this is true or not so I will let the reader be the judge.... |
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Originally Posted by UndyingImhotep
Ummm, about NCFail exhausting all efforts to sell CoH....I found this over on Facebook....
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/14/ncs...s-says-report/ I do not know whether this is true or not so I will let the reader be the judge.... |
http://mmofallout.com/2012/10/14/ncs...s-says-report/
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If things do end the way they have been going, with NCSoft's increasingly obvious contempt for its loyal customers, I expect exactly this kind of fallout in North America and much of Europe. They're pretty much telling us in no uncertain terms they could care less about our money, they just want CoH and Paragon swept away for some reason.
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Originally Posted by MedicineWolf
Gamers talk with other gamers. And gamers can be VERY petty people...the type of people who boycott any and all of a company's products...in perpetuity. Should it happen as suggested, I've no doubt that NCsoft will never see another penny in the States, at the very least.)
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Guess they figured their reputation is already down the tube with this set of customers and want to just bury it the quickest way possible without being shown up if they release the property to someone else and risk the new owners making more money than they were making. That would be bad buisness/look for the decision makers.
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Originally Posted by Kurrent
If things do end the way they have been going, with NCSoft's increasingly obvious contempt for its loyal customers, I expect exactly this kind of fallout in North America and much of Europe. They're pretty much telling us in no uncertain terms they could care less about our money, they just want CoH and Paragon swept away for some reason.
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Originally Posted by mauk2
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Basically NCSoft is the group of liars we thought they where. Integrity my **** the company has previous trust question due to how they handle their business. Funny how people did not trust NCSoft statement and it is confirmed once again NCSoft is once again lying for PR reason which now no one will trust anything they say now it has leaked out.
Way to go NCSoft just undermine yourself further, just another reason to avoid any project that has your name attached.
Like I said have fun going bankrupt NCSoft
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I read NCsoft's response as saying, "What? We can't hear you! LOUDER!"
NCsoft may not have any legal responsibilities to its customers regarding the game, but there is a social obligation to the players who wish for the profitable game of City of Heroes to continue and a fiduciary obligation to their shareholders to sell the game before it loses value.