NCsoft Response to City of Heroes player and fan suggestions


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BTW I am rethinking my purchase of GW2 if a game as great as this gets canned without a sequel I cannot support logging in to GW2 I will be to crushed to even look at NCSOFT logo without some sort of fluid release. Dire Rage, Sub, Nurse, Sally, B.A. Barracus, Cool Pimp Silklash Kraken/Superior Bling will never forget you guys. 1UP


 

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This post reads like something NCSoft USA wrote under orders from NCSoft Korea.

I'm really surprised NCSoft hasn't moved toward a model that made it less costly for them to sell off insufficiently profitable (or obstructing or whatever) property. This is money they are not making.

They could sell the hardware and data storage to the highest bidder, even if it's just a guy who's going to put it all in Public Storage, and be ahead of where they land on their current course. Unless there's something in there that Can't Be Let Out. Hence my earlier point: that something needs to be more easily removable, even if what's left isn't self-contained.

This had better not be because an executive has a personal grudge. That would just be silly.


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To sell something you have to find a buyer that would pay you the right price and contrary to the popular belief i believe that they would be happy to sell CoH if someone would put forward a serious offer for it
Sometimes I wonder how much did those people actually offer. I mean just because a buyer comes to the table and think that the stuff is worth only 2 million and are serious about it doesn make it really a serious offer in NCSoft eyes if they are not planning on letting it go for less than 10 million or some number like that, giving that since the game was profitable. Maybe the two parties couldnt agree to what the IP is worth. Anybody know exactly what the IP is worth?


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BTW I am rethinking my purchase of GW2 if a game as great as this gets canned without a sequel I cannot support logging in to GW2 I will be to crushed to even look at NCSOFT logo without some sort of fluid release. Dire Rage, Sub, Nurse, Sally, B.A. Barracus, Cool Pimp Silklash Kraken/Superior Bling will never forget you guys. 1UP
I wouldn't bother purchasing it, it's not that great a game. Wish I hadn't pre-ordered.


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Sometimes I wonder how much did those people actually offer. I mean just because a buyer comes to the table and think that the stuff is worth only 2 million and are serious about it doesn make it really a serious offer in NCSoft eyes if they are not planning on letting it go for less than 10 million or some number like that, giving that since the game was profitable. Maybe the two parties couldnt agree to what the IP is worth. Anybody know exactly what the IP is worth?
I heard like fourth-hand that raising enough money wasn't the issue with selling the game so much as the crazy legal stipulations NCSoft has before they'll transfer the property. If what I was told is correct, then no lawyer in his right mind would ever let his client sign those contracts.

(But at the same time, I have no way of verifying that information, so I'm taking it with a grain of salt myself.)


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I doubt it would be a problem to just link it.
Here's a link to Titan Network's Save Paragon City forums: http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index....ard,134.0.html


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Here's a link to Titan Network's Save Paragon City forums: http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index....ard,134.0.html
I think she means the actual post in question, rather than making people go on a scavenger hunt for the info.



 

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I think she means the actual post in question, rather than making people go on a scavenger hunt for the info.
As it was told to me, the post in question isn't in a public part of the Titan forums, so only people with permission can access it. Even if someone posted a direct link, we wouldn't be able to read it.


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As it was told to me, the post in question isn't in a public part of the Titan forums, so only people with permission can access it. Even if someone posted a direct link, we wouldn't be able to read it.
Then saying that one can go find it is just a way to waste others' time.

I do wonder what kind of stipulations were rumored that made buying it unfeasible.


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I think she means the actual post in question, rather than making people go on a scavenger hunt for the info.
This is precisely what I meant. I can find my way to the Titan network pretty easily on my own.


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As it was told to me, the post in question isn't in a public part of the Titan forums, so only people with permission can access it. Even if someone posted a direct link, we wouldn't be able to read it.
Then the lot of us will never know the contents. We are, essentially, no better or no worse off than before. *shrug* The game is still going to shut down on Nov. 30th.



 

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Then the lot of us will never know the contents. We are, essentially, no better or no worse off than before. *shrug* The game is still going to shut down on Nov. 30th.
basically.


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An interesting article from this thread over at cohtitan.

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The ideal solution from an investment standpoint would be to sell the title off entirely, license it to a new holder, or to fork off a new company to handle family friendly ware, partitioning it away from the main company. Instead, they released a statement claiming that they had “exhausted all options including the selling of the studio and the rights to the City of Heroes intellectual property, but in the end, efforts to do so were not successful.”
Within short order, two different investment groups (speaking while protected by anonymity) claimed that NCSoft had refused to even discuss a sale, and ignored any and all offers.
A company which engages in this kind of behavior is not a good steward of its shareholders’ investment.


 

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I read the message from NCFail and an old saying came to mind....Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I saw a video of Boobs and Sluts....er, Blade and Soul. So, we're losing CoH for this Asian crap??? Blade and Soul is targeted for the pre-pubesant teenaged boy and nothing I want to have anything to do with as I grew out of that phase of my life 40 years ago.


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An interesting article from this thread over at cohtitan.

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Might help if that article didn't have a typo in the first sentence. :/



 

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The damning stipulation was that the new owner would have to assume full and sole responsibility for any and all future litigation against the game. Even if that litigation was brought about by material added to the game at the direct order of NC$hit.

Who in their right mind would agree to that?


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Who in their right mind would agree to that?
Well, I would, but I'm disqualified by the first half of that sentence... >_>


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The damning stipulation was that the new owner would have to assume full and sole responsibility for any and all future litigation against the game. Even if that litigation was brought about by material added to the game at the direct order of NC$hit.

Who in their right mind would agree to that?
That sounds like standard procedure of any company washing their hands completely of a product. No one wants to get sued over something that they do not own/control any longer and or not making money from. Sounds like it was suppose to be something like "Here, if you buy it now you're buying it as-is with no gurantees and anything that happens from this point you are responsible."

Sounds like the people that was looking to buy didnt want to take any risk and expect NCSoft to hold the risk in something they would no longer own. No wonder NCSoft held on to it. That is assuming what is stated above is and were to be the case. No one wants to be sued over something they have no control over any longer. It's like if they did recieve a C&D order over old content and NCSoft contacts the new company and say remove said content but new owner refuses and thus NCSoft gets sued. No risk to the new owner.


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The damning stipulation was that the new owner would have to assume full and sole responsibility for any and all future litigation against the game. Even if that litigation was brought about by material added to the game at the direct order of NC$hit.

Who in their right mind would agree to that?
If the game was bought out by someone else, why in the frak would NCSoft have any say in the matter in what was added?

Seems pretty standard, to me anyways, in the transfer of ownership of the property. Much like if I sell my house the new owner is responsible for anything that happens on the property rather than me. If they don't do their due diligence and make alterations/upgrades as needed, then its their fault, so long as I disclose any and all existing problems with the property.

Now, if I were to hide or paint over some facet of the property, then I could see an issue arising. But that's all just my opinion.



 

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Well, you know what they say.

If at first you don't succeed, try harder.

City of Heroes has too many players to be shut down. Perhaps it needs a City of Heroes 2 tie in? There is nothing wrong with the CoH concept, players love that. I think all that's needed is an all new reboot/modernization to go along with CoH, maybe somehow tie the two together like an alternate universe where a PC from CoH might emerge in CoH 2 somehow.


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I read the message from NCFail and an old saying came to mind....Don't pee on my leg and tell me it's raining.

I saw a video of Boobs and Sluts....er, Blade and Soul. So, we're losing CoH for this Asian crap??? Blade and Soul is targeted for the pre-pubesant teenaged boy and nothing I want to have anything to do with as I grew out of that phase of my life 40 years ago.
Actually, there's a very amusing thread at Titan about that.

http://www.cohtitan.com/forum/index....ic,5527.0.html


 

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So, I take it that this means the drive to create software for private City servers is back in full swing? Just because NC has exhausted all options doesn't mean the player community has as well.


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I saw a video of Boobs and Sluts....er, Blade and Soul. So, we're losing CoH for this Asian crap??? Blade and Soul is targeted for the pre-pubesant teenaged boy and nothing I want to have anything to do with as I grew out of that phase of my life 40 years ago.
Sadly, it seems that the Asian mindset runs to this sort of thing. From soiled girls undies in vending machines in Japan, to the ever present over-the-top hentai juggies. It makes the occidental (western) mind reel a bit, and makes this Forumite wonder just WTH happened to the oriental (eastern) mind to bring it to this amazing low. Sorry for the hint of morality, but it is really quite strange to have a region which espoused such a paradigm of honor and respect change so dramatically in relatively recent historical times. It honestly looks like "they" are seeking to control the market by enforcing the least (and least savory) ideals of the social conscious (or should I say lack of same?).


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Hmmm..."NCsuck's response to CoX player and fan suggestions" does, indeed, sound like an effort to mollify the masses. "Woe is us! We tried everything! Alas, we were unable to meet the outcries of the denizens of our game. So...F.O." Really, there is only so much BS someone can be fed before they sit up and say, "Y'know, this tastes like BS!" Let's break it down, shall we?

"We wanted to let you know that your voices have been heard and your concerns have been taken into serious consideration. We appreciate the overwhelmingly constructive and positive messages in the emails, notes, and packages you've sent in support of the game." Translation: "You are clogging up our mail and filing systems. For the love of G-d, please shut up! It's just a game. We don't care about it. We don't care about you. We DO, however, care about clutter in our offices, so stop sending us crap." So our response should be...? SEND MORE CRAP! Clog the arteries of the internal works of NCsucks, Korea, and give them a financial myocardial infarction the likes of which they've never seen. (Or would that be considered evil? )

"It has not been an easy decision for us to close Paragon Studios® and prepare to shut down City of Heroes." Yes, the pictures of NCsucks executives in tears over the decision has been quite touching. Oh, wait. There are no such pictures. Passing along messages from Korea to the States and having them posted by a flunky that's been strong-armed to do so, (and the messages certainly read that way), doesn't demonstrate any misgivings about closing down Paragon Studios and CoX. Instead, I feel like we've all become sacrificial lambs to the holy alter of Money, the true deity of executives.

Speaking of which..."We've exhausted all options including the selling of the studio and the rights to the City of Heroes intellectual property, but in the end, efforts to do so were not successful." Translation: "Lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie lie." It's elsewhere in the thread, but NCsucks didn't even consider any of the offers to buy CoX. That, or it seems they made it legally untenable to do so. They could have sold the entire works for a dollar, which is still a profit over the nothing that they'll get by killing the game. (Someone along the lines mentioned a tax break for killing the game, but I, for one, don't know the tax laws in Korea, so we'll never really be able to account for that one...I don't think. (Key sentence there: "I don't think." Thinking is not truly behind this post. It's fueled by rage.))

"City of Heroes has a special place in all of our hearts, and we want to ensure its reputation and the memories we share for the game end on a high note." You have hearts? Whodda thunk it?!? CoX's reputation is safe in the hearts of those who truly loved the game. What should concern these people more is the reputation of their company, which is being flushed down the cosmic toilet, piece by piece. Their reputation as killing any MMO that doesn't meet their mysterious expectations is getting stronger, and people are starting to realize that buying anything from them is NOT a safe investment. On a much larger scale, its akin to buying a car that's repossessed the moment the manufacturer gets closed down.

As for ending on a high note, the execs at NCsucks have ensured that's not going to happen. So what if they run familiar events again before the game closes? Do they expect us to rush out to earn badges we can boast about until the end of November? Are we supposed to feel excitement during said events, when we know that the game's birth certificate officially has an expiration date? What kind of fond memory are we supposed to have when we say down the road, "I was there when the servers got shut off"? Oh, we'll be proud of showing our solidarity when it comes to the game, playing through to the end. But it will forever be bittersweet.

The rest of the message is fluff that doesn't bear repeating. I don't know about the rest of you folks, but I don't particularly take to being "handled." I have good and bad memories over the seven years I've played CoX. (I came in somewhere around issue 4.) The best, of course, being when I met my future bride via the game. Now, without any true show on conscience, NCsoft is murdering it in cold blood. Thus, I end with that which is becoming my mantra for the executives of NCsoft, Korea: die in a fire...slowly.


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Sadly, it seems that the Asian mindset runs to this sort of thing. From soiled girls undies in vending machines in Japan, to the ever present over-the-top hentai juggies. It makes the occidental (western) mind reel a bit, and makes this Forumite wonder just WTH happened to the oriental (eastern) mind to bring it to this amazing low. Sorry for the hint of morality, but it is really quite strange to have a region which espoused such a paradigm of honor and respect change so dramatically in relatively recent historical times. It honestly looks like "they" are seeking to control the market by enforcing the least (and least savory) ideals of the social conscious (or should I say lack of same?).
To be fair, at least part of it can be tied to the odd laws that we forced on them post WWII. One of them outlawed pornography, and then labelled pornography as anything that showed pubic hair. Suddenly you had a society where it was the total opposite of us, where we have the crude attitude of "grass on the field, play ball" as the "low point" yet for them that is the starting point. It's also why cartoon porn took off there.