NCsoft Response to City of Heroes player and fan suggestions
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Posted on: 2012-10-02 13:46 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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The people that think its time to move on, should move on. The people that are repeatedly saying its time to move on are disengenous: they don't believe its time to move on, they believe its time to stay and tell other people to move on.|
Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE
Funny because I see what you're doing as identical to the behavior you're accusing her of. People deal with emotions differently, and no one has a right to stop someone from experiencing and processing their emotions in their own way. THIS is what a few people on here (and even more on COHTitan) are doing, they want things to be THEIR way and won't tolerate any expression of thought or conflict, even in the form of a healthy debate.
Now, there is a difference between discouraging feelings and discouraging certain actions. The people saying it's probably time to move on are saying that they see the writing on the wall, and generally don't believe the delusions that are being created and perpetuated by certain people. These people have been called out and challeneged as if it's wrong of them to not want to get themselves all stirred up for what amounts to a bunch of hearsay and fantasy. The other group is doing things that are honestly in pretty bad taste to say the least and could have negative impacts on people that weren't even involved, all for the life threatening potential of losing a video game. Now, go ahead and turn your aggression towards me if you want, but remember, it doesn't change anything. Come November 30th, you'll have to go somewhere else (on another forum I imagine) to get your argument fix. |
If you're going to do that on a public forum, you can't hide behind a false shield of reasonableness. As is always true on any public forum, if you challenge someone, you should be prepared to be challenged in kind. And you have no right to set the rules of that discussion to explicitly favor your own expression.
Its equally ludicrous for people to keep saying nothing others say changes anything, as if they were exempted. Trying to preempt the last word by saying anything I say changes nothing is something that if you actually believed it, and believed the proper course of action is to be silent, you'd have been silent.
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Didnt know this was a debate. And it would have gone further than that with the discussion if you was willing to go but since you wasnt for what ever reason, it's no big deal. I think you should add a little more than insults and name calling in your arsenal and things could go a lot better. |
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
You should consider adding something else besides "I know you are but what am I", "drop dead", and "look at me, I don't care what other people think, see, see?" to your debate repertoire, because there's no mercy rule on the internet.
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If it's no mercy rule, then there is no mercy rule. Here it seems like all rules went out the window recently.
So then I dont see what is the big fuss about people saying that the game is ending, deal with it, or get over it, stop whining about a game, it's just a game, and etc if there is truely a no mercy rule on the internet, which it seems to be. Those things should even be an issue or a debate then.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard.  Never change, E_L! |
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Nope sorry, my choice to call you out on your forum nazi attitude has nothing to do with my beliefs on how you should express your feelings for the game being shut down. We ALL think this sucks, and we're all here b!tch!ng about it, even me. However, I don't live here in this fantasy world, and when I see people that do seem to want to live here attacking someone who has a more realistic attachment to the game then I decide to speak up. To use their own logic against them, I may not have a chance of changing their minds, but I'm also not going to call a politician, threaten them, call them hurtful names on a personal level, or any of the other ridiculous stuff that's being lobbied towards NCSoft right now.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
The people that think its time to move on, should move on. The people that are repeatedly saying its time to move on are disengenous: they don't believe its time to move on, they believe its time to stay and tell other people to move on.
If you're going to do that on a public forum, you can't hide behind a false shield of reasonableness. As is always true on any public forum, if you challenge someone, you should be prepared to be challenged in kind. And you have no right to set the rules of that discussion to explicitly favor your own expression. Its equally ludicrous for people to keep saying nothing others say changes anything, as if they were exempted. Trying to preempt the last word by saying anything I say changes nothing is something that if you actually believed it, and believed the proper course of action is to be silent, you'd have been silent. |
Next point?
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I didn't call you a name. I implied you were illiterate because you claimed that words you typed minutes previously meant something other than what they actually say, and failed to recognize them even when quoted directly. If I was name calling I would call you Ms Illiterate, which is a name. Questioning your comprehension skills is something I offered objective evidence for.|
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Didnt know this was a debate. And it would have gone further than that with the discussion if you was willing to go but since you wasnt for what ever reason, it's no big deal. I think you should add a little more than insults and name calling in your arsenal and things could go a lot better.
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I also believe my characterization of the general content of your responses is accurate enough to be objectively sustained. I would be more than happy to demonstrate that it can be upon request.
But no, this is not a debate. That requires debate skills on both sides, and as I previously mentioned, you lack those.
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When you address the first point, I'll hand you another.
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Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE
Nope sorry, my choice to call you out on your forum nazi attitude has nothing to do with my beliefs on how you should express your feelings for the game being shut down. We ALL think this sucks, and we're all here b!tch!ng about it, even me. However, I don't live here in this fantasy world, and when I see people that do seem to want to live here attacking someone who has a more realistic attachment to the game then I decide to speak up. To use their own logic against them, I may not have a chance of changing their minds, but I'm also not going to call a politician, threaten them, call them hurtful names on a personal level, or any of the other ridiculous stuff that's being lobbied towards NCSoft right now.
Next point? |
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Basically. The reality of the matter is that NCSoft didnt kill the game, players like that killed the game. They claim they want to save the community and blah blah talking out their rear ends but try to run away anyone that have any remotely different view from theirs. |
Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE
Funny because I see what you're doing as identical to the behavior you're accusing her of. People deal with emotions differently, and no one has a right to stop someone from experiencing and processing their emotions in their own way. THIS is what a few people on here (and even more on COHTitan) are doing, they want things to be THEIR way and won't tolerate any expression of thought or conflict, even in the form of a healthy debate.
Now, there is a difference between discouraging feelings and discouraging certain actions. The people saying it's probably time to move on are saying that they see the writing on the wall, and generally don't believe the delusions that are being created and perpetuated by certain people. These people have been called out and challeneged as if it's wrong of them to not want to get themselves all stirred up for what amounts to a bunch of hearsay and fantasy. The other group is doing things that are honestly in pretty bad taste to say the least and could have negative impacts on people that weren't even involved, all for the life threatening potential of losing a video game. Now, go ahead and turn your aggression towards me if you want, but remember, it doesn't change anything. Come November 30th, you'll have to go somewhere else (on another forum I imagine) to get your argument fix. |
I see where this is going. They will fail, and then blame the "realist" and everyoen that disagreed with them for the failure.
One thing is for certain come Nov 30th. this game will come to an end and there is nothing anyone besides NCSoft can do about it. At that point, they will have to go somewhere else. I only hope that they dont travel to another game and sink that one too. That is the reason I have a little hope that I'm dead wrong and this game is saved. If they are here that means they are not out killing another gaming community and sinking the game by trying to run the players off.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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I did answer it. I stated that your assessment of my actions was in fact off the mark.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
When you address the first point, I'll hand you another.
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Guess you forgot about the insult part and really shows and prove the point that No Remorse pointed out. Anyways, have fun while you can because in a little less than two months, whether you want to or not you'll have to face the world without this game being a crutch for you.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I didn't call you a name. I implied you were illiterate because you claimed that words you typed minutes previously meant something other than what they actually say, and failed to recognize them even when quoted directly. If I was name calling I would call you Ms Illiterate, which is a name. Questioning your comprehension skills is something I offered objective evidence for.
I also believe my characterization of the general content of your responses is accurate enough to be objectively sustained. I would be more than happy to demonstrate that it can be upon request. But no, this is not a debate. That requires debate skills on both sides, and as I previously mentioned, you lack those. |
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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I don't know about that. I mean they had a plan to get the support of the almighty and super relevant BOB SEGER!!! You know the singer from the 70's & 80's that someone happens to have a relative that knows. You know the guy that actually has never played this game? With logic like this, how could they fail?
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
One thing is for certain come Nov 30th. this game will come to an end and there is nothing anyone besides NCSoft can do about it.
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I made no specific assessment of your actions whatsoever, so that's impossible.
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Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE
I did answer it. I stated that your assessment of my actions was in fact off the mark.
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Bob Seger?! Oh hell, that is the Ace in the hole right there. My god what was I thinking. There is no way they can fail with Bob Seger!
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Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE
I don't know about that. I mean they had a plan to get the support of the almighty and super relevant BOB SEGER!!! You know the singer from the 70's & 80's that someone happens to have a relative that knows. You know the guy that actually has never played this game? With logic like this, how could they fail?
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-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
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You would watch The Fonze die? |
Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
And people wonder why I would watch people like this die. Probably better for the world over all without them.
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I wonder why you have such an interest in watching people die, you've only mentioned it a few times in the last day or so. For someone that professes to not give a **** about what people think, you sure do give a **** about what people think.
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Here watch I'll deal with this one the same way I dealt with the last one. No, you made a comparison based on an inference. I responded to the inferred recipient, me. Either way, arguing with you is as pointless as your posts are irrelevant. I'll just state that you and I have irreconcilable differences, and that is based on your lack of common sense, and your obvious need to project your intellectual "prowess" onto other people in a way to make yourself seem more important than they are.|
Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I made no specific assessment of your actions whatsoever, so that's impossible.
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See, I just did to you what you did to her. I must want to be smart and important just like you.
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Yeah. Imagine what she could do with all that spare time. Create an infinite energy supply or something boring like that, while you do exciting things like watch people die.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Guess you forgot about the insult part and really shows and prove the point that No Remorse pointed out. Anyways, have fun while you can because in a little less than two months, whether you want to or not you'll have to face the world without this game being a crutch for you.
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Well, this was "fun", but now it's time to go back to doing something based in reality. Have fun guys. Remember, this interwebz thing is serious business, and should be treated as such. =D
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Very serious. |
Originally Posted by N0_REM0RSE
Well, this was "fun", but now it's time to go back to doing something based in reality. Have fun guys. Remember, this interwebz thing is serious business, and should be treated as such. =D
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People like Arcanaville:
"Waaaaahhhhhhhhh they killed my game!! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!" Get over it. I think even 3rd graders dont carry on like that when their favorite toy is taken away.
-Female Player-
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Originally Posted by mauk2
Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words.
"Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L! |
and Transformers was supposed to be a fad of the 80's....
The REAL fighting begins AFTER the servers are shut down.
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
Another valid point:
People were bringing their kids into this game, if that doesn't say longevity I don't know what does.
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
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Originally Posted by Evil_Legacy
Very serious.
People like Arcanaville: "Waaaaahhhhhhhhh they killed my game!! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!" Get over it. I think even 3rd graders dont carry on like that when their favorite toy is taken away. |
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You win the game Hamster.
... Did I just see two people try to debate the resident brain/mathematician for no reason?
... It seems that way when they should 'Oh I don't care!' and continue to quarrel...
I swear I do not understand people's logic in the 'I don't care what people say, unless they say something' argument... I have to agree with Arcanaville, if someone REALLY didn't care... then why say anything past their initial 'this is my opinion'? I say past the initial 'this is my opinion' because people inherently want to, at very least, give their own views. But if they TRULY didn't care about others, then going past that seems rather... Hypocritical? Asinine? Some kind of fancy word, that is for sure...
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