NCsoft Response to City of Heroes player and fan suggestions

Good sir, might I point you to my post on the previous page?

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showp...&postcount=218

A wise man once said:
NOTHING IS OVER UNTIL WE DECIDE IT IS.

"Heroes may die, but heroism never shall."


I believe it is time to show them how little quit there is in us.

The Electric-Knight ______ Malfaz _____ Zox'Oculox

@Zethustra

"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan

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Actually, it's over when THEY say it is. Again, you can't FORCE them to do anything. I've even read where people have been given a task to find a way to seriously offend and shame the people in Korea that work for NCSoft. Yeah, this is how we want to come off as Americans, politically incorrect and offending YET ANOTHER CULTURE. The BS is getting really thick and really rancid, and I'm not talking about NCSoft's announcement here.

Some people are acting like impetuous children, trying to offend all Koreans with the way they're making racist and inappropriate comments. It's not like NCSoft insulted America (now here is where someone shows how immature they are by saying they did), they made a business decision. People don't like it, but you know what? THIS IS THE REAL WORLD, and things like this happen daily in all sorts of industries.

Guys seriously find a way to come to grips with this, even if you're going to keep trying to get the game to endure. DON'T do anything that will shame ALL of US. Making an *** of yourself won't shame them it will shame US. If you're not able to move on with your life, then may I suggest some therapy? Games, movies, tv shows, etc get cancelled and close down all the time. If you can't survive this then that says something about your life, and maybe you should spend more time investing in your life so you don't need something like this game to find happiness.

For anyone interested, I started playing the game in May of '04 and have 4 active accounts. I have played this game as long as just about anyone, but it is just a game. It's not more important than my family, my health, my life, my career, etc all of which I am lucky enough to still have.

I sure hope you don't believe those two people, Brillig. I hope you're being facetious here.

But just in case you're not, or in case anyone else is buying into that spiel.... Don't you remember when we had MishiLove, the phony Asian-stereotyper with the supposed inside information, spouting "It lives! July 13 2013" nonsense about the super-secret project after CoH's closure was announced? Zwill had to charge into the thread and give him/her the reality slap: Nope, cancelled with CoH.

And remember the other gem, that SOE had made an offer to buy CoH part and parcel within 2 hours of the announced shutdown? Poor John Smedley had to actually announce publicly on his Twitter that it never happened and never would to shut people up.

What embarrassments.

I'm not buying some fool's nonsense, which was probably seen by the two people you quote in the exact place where it originally appeared, which was as some random Schmoe's reply in Massively's "Crushes Hopes and Dreams" blog. I know because I saw it, too, and in fact I am the one who quickly jumped in with an actual link request, which the guy refused to give and then quickly moved on, lol.

The kicker? THIS IS THE ORIGINAL POST IN MASSIVELY'S THREAD, COPIED DIRECTLY HERE: If a Trion representative is telling the truth, they refused an $80 million deal with no negotiation.I didn't typo that, and I fact-checked: Yes, they are refusing to sell off a game they have absolutely no interest in keeping going for 80 MILLION. They don't want the game, and they don't want anyone else to have it either.

These "two people" you quote, Brillig, are merely contorting this other guy's b.s. Where does it even say TRION were the ones offering? How can you even be sure this "original b.s. dude" wasn't talking about PS offering money to NCSoft, and some Trion employee happened to know them and find out about it? And it's all nonsense anyway.

Sorry, but until you see it by a red name, don't believe it. Much like MishiLove and the other guy (Monkey something?) who appear to have since disappeared from these boards, that random poster in Massively's thread was obviously just looking for attention.

NCSoft,

We wanted to let you know that your message has been heard and your concerns have been taken into serious considertion. We appreciate your response and acknowledgement of our emails, notes and packages we've sent in support of the game. Closing Paragon Studios and shutting down City of Heroes should not have been easy. Bad decisions never should be, and this was a monumentally bad decision. Bad for your creative teams, who now operate under the uncertainty of an overseer that doesn't seem rational or consistent. Bad for your shareholders, who have been deprived a positive revenue source, both current and future. Bad for your players, who have entrusted you with the custodianship of the social network. Bad for your reputation, which continues to be tarnished by your demonstrated lack of the consistent and stable behavior a successful service provider must offer. Bad for the individual players who have brought our own creations to life within this online world. You have been given options that would dissolve your relationship with City of Heroes and Paragon Studios in a way that preserves that community, reassembles as much of the development team as possible, leaves our creative contributions intact, and possibly even provides compensation for your shareholders. You have continued to make bad decisions by rejecting those options.

You say your options are exhausted.

We have not exhausted all our options. We will provide opportunities to save yourselves from your own folly. We will celebrate the work of the development studio you so abruptly dissolved. We will demonstrate the value and strength of the community you are working to destroy. Should NCSoft come around and find an amicable resolution, we will recognize the merits of your actions. Should you not, we will warn everyone we know everywhere we go of the hazards of placing any trust in NCSoft, protecting others as best we can. We are heroes. This is what we do.

hmmm sounds like something I said not too long ago.

But you are correct there. I think many are taking this thing a bit toooooo serious and might need to start considering seeking a little help or at least someone to talk to.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

And as it appears to be a compulsion for you to jump into every single thread and immediately be negative, you are taking this thing a bit toooooo seriously as well, so you too might need to start considering seeking a little help or at least someone to talk to.

While not optimistic, at least their response is REALISTIC. It's not threatening or defaming NCSoft ar portraying them as the fictional villains from the game. I'd say they were adjusting and recovering from the loss of a favored game better than many on this forum.

basically.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Exactly that's the point why it is total nonsense, what they wrote, esp. when there are more than 20.000 ppl want to play it.

I'm sorry. For me it looks like, they did not realize, that people playing an RPG MMO like COH aren't sheeps or little kids jumping on something that you'll offer as new believing everything the marketing guys are lying. We're adults and we have a brain. We look behind it, because we were fooled long enough from marketing infos of the game industry. We can decide where we spend our money in free time, because we have/own that money. We're not stupid cashcows. NCSoft made a big mistake. Slowly they're realizing it, but it is too late, because they just proofed again with their decicion, that they don't care about customers at all. And don't think NCSoft is "generous" because they let us play 3 months for free. It is just like that, because they would get lawsuits when they just had closed it immediately after selling new stuff and publishing the next content update.

Yes, they are realistically attempting to convince people, through the medium of the internet, they should dismiss an emotional investment as being trivial because of their say-so.

One group of people is hoping for a miracle. The other thinks there's a system for winning the lottery.

Who said things were "going well" or "looking good?" Alpha Wolf and Mercedes Lackey confirmed that negotiations were ongoing. A of people were encouraged by the idea that negotiations were happening at all, but I saw zero information regarding how well the talks were going or how likely anything was to come of it. About the most positive thing released was words to the effect that our efforts were helping and NCSoft was noticing.

I'm not trying to convince peopel to dismiss their emotional investment and call it trivial anymore or less than they are trying to convince me to have more emotional investment and my feelings are trivial.

If they want people to stop trying to "convince" them then they should stop trying to convince people themselves.

If people have an emotional investment, that is great. If they dont that is great. As soon as someone says "Well it was just a game for me." Here they come saying "It wasnt jsut a game, it was more than a game. Stop being negative and etc." Either view is just as valid as the other. If you and they want that to happen, you and they must do what you are asking others to do before making that request. Just as you dont want people to say thier emotional investment is trivial because they say so, dont go around aying their lack of emotional investment is trivial because you say so.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

That's a very roundabout way of saying you are in fact trying to convince people to dismiss their emotional investments.


Why.

Even on that level, what happened? Did they just up and decided they had enough or what? Or we became too much annoyance and didnt want to deal with anyone? Or they listened considered it and still said no? Or what?

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Nope that is not what I'm saying at all.

What I'm saying is that you complain about people trying to convince other people when most of the time they are not trying to convince anyone of anything. Yet, most of the comments that seems to come off as trying to convince someone to change their view is coming from the people that do feel they have an emotional investment. It's their feelings just as the opposite of what they feel is your feelings.

I dont see why you want them to allow you to have your feelings without question or convincing, as you call it, but have yet to even bothered to show the same respect.

What? They are not allowed to show any feelings that run counter to your feelings?

You should know the answer to that. Same reason you are trying to convince them that their view or lack of emotional investment is wrong. Why is their lack of emotional investment is wrong? Why when anyone even utters that "it's just a game" people try to convince them otherwise? Why not just let them have their emotions or lack of? Why is your emotions so much more important than theirs?

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Yes, it is.

An example of which would be?


That's not a reason why, that's a rhetorical restatement of the question.

Now you're trying to tell me what I'm saying when I know what I'm saying? You know what, I feel that your mind is not open anyways to anything I say. You seem to have your mind made up that anyone that says they are not bawling and feeling suicidal because of the end of the game is trying to convince people. So lets skip the horsecrap. If this is how the convo is going to be with you not taking any consideration at all and go through less of the motions than NCSoft supposedly did with the negos. process and on top of that now telling me, like you are me, what I meant, what would be the point of continue to even talking about this?

When it gets to the point that you are now telling me what I said when it's clearly typed, and I told you what I said, I see no point to even go any further.

You think however you want if your mind is made up and I will think however I want.

The fate of the game is sealed already for doom if people cant get past the petty "Oh they dont agree with me so they should leave" talk. Maybe individual solo personal servers are better so that people can play only with themselves so they dont have to worry about any other ideas or thoughts/feelings but their own and everyone is happy. People still get to play and everyone on their one man server agrees with their every thought.

Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

Dear NCSoft CEO, Board of Directors, and stockholders,

I wanted to let you know that your collective voices have been heard also. I, as a customer, appreciate the underwhelming, under-constructive response at our positive attempts to save the game we love. This has not been an easy decision for me either. Based on your plans on shutting down City of Heroes, I feel, again as a customer, that it is in my best interest to "refocus" my gaming dollars into a different, more reliable gaming company. I do not feel confident in NCSoft's ability to produce any other MMOs with the company's track record of closing down it's own popular games, past and present litigation and the firing of the employees of Paragon Studios. Your current stock prices seem to reflect this as well. I do wish to thank all of you for allowing me to play and enjoy City of Heroes though.