Meanwhile, in the Halls of Titan...
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Posted on: 2012-08-31 17:09 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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[Union Roleplayers]@Tyrannical: still, let's all just hope -somebody- buys CoH, and hopefully Valve :P|
Originally Posted by Killerkitty
"We have always been at war with Eastasia"? Come off it.
 I have friends who are involved in this stuff, I know it's starting to happen and it'd be nice if it could be avoided because I've seen it happen in charities and NGOs before, personal politics and self-aggrandizement start becoming more important than the original aim.  People who appoint themselves as leaders are usually the people least suited for it, because it's all about the egos...The only way to prevent the community destroying itself in the absence of a truly neutral, safe uninvolved party like a games company (a paid GM is pretty unlikely to go about using their powers and trust in them to harass people for personal grudges because they have more to lose and the paid nature of it means there's more other people to hold oversight to stop scandals/bad things happening, as well as lawsuits for damages due to gross misconduct etc) is to make sure that the information and tools are spread widely so that no one group can hold control over others... |
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: ncsoft won't sell it
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: it's not going to happen, the only way is people make a new server or a new game with the same 3d files etc
[Union Roleplayers]Lightning Blast EU: That would be highly stupid. They are in debt
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: they would sooner die than give up Face
[Union Roleplayers]@Katrianna: Huh?
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: google why ncsoft doesn't sell off it's failures
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: article from 2009
[Union Roleplayers]You were silenced in channel 'Union Roleplayers' by @Night.
Scumbags would sooner see the game die than admit they are wrong...
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Originally Posted by killerkitty
[union roleplayers]@tyrannical: Still, let's all just hope -somebody- buys coh, and hopefully valve
[union roleplayers]kiiierkitty: Ncsoft won't sell it [union roleplayers]kiiierkitty: It's not going to happen, the only way is people make a new server or a new game with the same 3d files etc [union roleplayers]lightning blast eu: That would be highly stupid. They are in debt [union roleplayers]kiiierkitty: They would sooner die than give up face [union roleplayers]@katrianna: Huh? [union roleplayers]kiiierkitty: Google why ncsoft doesn't sell off it's failures [union roleplayers]kiiierkitty: Article from 2009 [union roleplayers]you were silenced in channel 'union roleplayers' by @night. Scumbags would sooner see the game die than admit they are wrong... |
gtfo
Fight The Power
Hey Golden Girl
the last few days have been hellish and hopeful and i feel like i keep getting emotionally thrown around the room then stepped on... then brushed off and shown a hall way of light... i want to run but... to the point, thank you for being reasonable and supportive and honest with your input and reply's, keeping my hope in check and my despair at bay.
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I don't want to spend a lot of time responding to comments like this, but I will say this: You do not know what you are talking about. Will NCsoft sell City of Heroes? I don't know, and I aim to find out. But unless you are the CEO or executive in that company, you cannot definitively say what NCsoft will and won't do.|
Originally Posted by Killerkitty
[Union Roleplayers]@Tyrannical: still, let's all just hope -somebody- buys CoH, and hopefully Valve :P
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: ncsoft won't sell it [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: it's not going to happen, the only way is people make a new server or a new game with the same 3d files etc [Union Roleplayers]Lightning Blast EU: That would be highly stupid. They are in debt [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: they would sooner die than give up Face [Union Roleplayers]@Katrianna: Huh? [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: google why ncsoft doesn't sell off it's failures [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: article from 2009 [Union Roleplayers]You were silenced in channel 'Union Roleplayers' by @Night. Scumbags would sooner see the game die than admit they are wrong... |
I have read the article you mentioned, and one key difference between City of Heroes and, say, Tabula Rasa is that City of Heroes is not a failure. By any measure, it is a success. They are not shuttering it because it isn't performing well; it is. They are shuttering it because they want the resources for it allocated elsewhere. If someone else acquires it and it takes off, it wouldn't be a source of embarrassment, it would be a source of pride. Do you think that Richard and Maurice McDonald were embarrased at how Ray Kroc turned their little barbeque venture into a world-spanning restaurant empire? Or do you think they pointed to the signs and told their friends, "You know, I'm the 'McDonald' whose name is up there."
There are other reasons you're wrong too, but I really don't have time to get into arguments here, I have way too much work to do.
If you don't want to support our efforts, that's certainly your prerogative. If you want to sit around and think we're all idiots for trying, hey, more power to you. But I've just got to ask, who is more pathetic, the people working their butts off to save something they're passionate about, or the guy who has nothing to do but sit around all day telling them how what they're doing won't work? If you don't want to help, don't help. But at the very least, please let us do what we're doing in peace. Go find something you are passionate about and make it better instead of taking pot shots at things that other people are passionate about.
Okay, that's all I have to say about it; like I said, I have too much to do to feed trolls or get into fruitless arguments.
We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
TonyV, I'd like to add one more difference: City of Heroes was purchased, not created by NCSoft. So if they have pride issues, they could want it sold and not hanging over them. 
Manga @ Triumph
"Meanwhile In The Halls Of Titan"...Titan Network Working To Save City Of Heroes
Save Paragon City! Efforts Coordination
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Someone needs to sticky this. Seriously. Those of us who really care are already hurting at the loss of the game and the last thing we really need is someone laughing and trying to pour salt in the wounds. Get a life. If you feel the game is dead to you, then why hang around and bring everyone else here down lower?|
Originally Posted by TonyV
I don't want to spend a lot of time responding to comments like this, but I will say this: You do not know what you are talking about. Will NCsoft sell City of Heroes? I don't know, and I aim to find out. But unless you are the CEO or executive in that company, you cannot definitively say what NCsoft will and won't do.
I have read the article you mentioned, and one key difference between City of Heroes and, say, Tabula Rasa is that City of Heroes is not a failure. By any measure, it is a success. They are not shuttering it because it isn't performing well; it is. They are shuttering it because they want the resources for it allocated elsewhere. If someone else acquires it and it takes off, it wouldn't be a source of embarrassment, it would be a source of pride. Do you think that Richard and Maurice McDonald were embarrased at how Ray Kroc turned their little barbeque venture into a world-spanning restaurant empire? Or do you think they pointed to the signs and told their friends, "You know, I'm the 'McDonald' whose name is up there." There are other reasons you're wrong too, but I really don't have time to get into arguments here, I have way too much work to do. If you don't want to support our efforts, that's certainly your prerogative. If you want to sit around and think we're all idiots for trying, hey, more power to you. But I've just got to ask, who is more pathetic, the people working their butts off to save something they're passionate about, or the guy who has nothing to do but sit around all day telling them how what they're doing won't work? If you don't want to help, don't help. But at the very least, please let us do what we're doing in peace. Go find something you are passionate about and make it better instead of taking pot shots at things that other people are passionate about. Okay, that's all I have to say about it; like I said, I have too much to do to feed trolls or get into fruitless arguments. |
Tony, I've been here 6 years now and spend $50 a month on this game. I don't care who that money goes to as long as the game keeps running. If you can keep it going, count me in for that as long as the lights are on and the world with Paragon City keeps spinning.
Hopefully there is some progress updates soon as I don't know how long I can hold my breath. Plus life would be easier if I could uncross my fingers.
The petition link to Save CoH:
http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
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Originally Posted by Killerkitty
[Union Roleplayers]@Tyrannical: still, let's all just hope -somebody- buys CoH, and hopefully Valve :P
[Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: ncsoft won't sell it [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: it's not going to happen, the only way is people make a new server or a new game with the same 3d files etc [Union Roleplayers]Lightning Blast EU: That would be highly stupid. They are in debt [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: they would sooner die than give up Face [Union Roleplayers]@Katrianna: Huh? [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: google why ncsoft doesn't sell off it's failures [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: article from 2009 [Union Roleplayers]You were silenced in channel 'Union Roleplayers' by @Night. Scumbags would sooner see the game die than admit they are wrong... |
'Scumbags'? Oh, you mean the Union channel that you've been trolling ever since you joined it?
I'm amazed anyone every unblocked you after the first time.
You slimy, self obsessed, self righteous, arrogant, boorish, pig-headed, rude, vulgar, uncouth, loud mouthed, back-stabbing, scum sucking, putrid and bileous little streak of vile and corrosive gobshite.
I've been waiting to say something like that. Because bloody hells do you deserve it. If I were there in person, I'd clout you around the face with my gods damned keyboard!
Get. The Hell. Out.
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
You slimy, self obsessed, self righteous, arrogant, boorish, pig-headed, rude, vulgar, uncouth, loud mouthed, back-stabbing, scum sucking, putrid and bileous little streak of vile and corrosive gobshite.
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You're welcome - I'm going to do everything that I can to help the community try and save the game.
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Originally Posted by drg
Hey Golden Girl
the last few days have been hellish and hopeful and i feel like i keep getting emotionally thrown around the room then stepped on... then brushed off and shown a hall way of light... i want to run but... to the point, thank you for being reasonable and supportive and honest with your input and reply's, keeping my hope in check and my despair at bay. evoL/drg |
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Yes, I said that in the thread before I'm pretty sure, that's why they are even less likely to sell, like the article says, they are scared of competitors and obsessed with their image and not admitting failures. Former NCsoft chief technical officer posted a nice tell-all about that attitude too:|
Originally Posted by TonyV
I have read the article you mentioned, and one key difference between City of Heroes and, say, Tabula Rasa is that City of Heroes is not a failure. By any measure, it is a success.
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t-machine.org/index.php/2009/01/16/we-need-to-talk-about-tabula-rasa-when-will-we-talk-about-tabula-rasa
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Originally Posted by TonyV
If you don't want to support our efforts, that's certainly your prerogative. If you want to sit around and think we're all idiots for trying, hey, more power to you. But I've just got to ask, who is more pathetic, the people working their butts off to save something they're passionate about, or the guy who has nothing to do but sit around all day telling them how what they're doing won't work?
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I don't care about YOU, and your attitude there definitely makes me regard you as a waste of oxygen, I wasn't making some personal attack on YOU. Yet, anything against your new "NCsoft will save us" religion, you're so deep in denial you need to start insulting me as some kind of "enemy"? I'm "a pathetic guy" hah? A "troll"?
Grow up.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
the Union channel that you've been trolling
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I've been waiting to say something like that.
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Roleplayers did more for the community in like 3 years than you craps on that channel ever did, because we actually worked at getting new people into it rather than just a clique of friends obsessing about power and sad, sad, gossipy politics. I remember when you were conducting your little smear campaign to try stop people joining roleplayers (failed, by the way, like most things you do apparently!), just did a search for "pastie":
chatlog 06-03-2011.txt:06-03-2011 14:05:33 [Union Roleplayers]KiIIerkitty: Here, because I utterly despise lying: www.pastie.org/2013591
pastie.txt:chatlog 06-03-2011.txt:06-03-2011 23:47:08 [Tell] -->@Kallandra: can you explain to me how it is in any way right that I was silenced for defending myself after this? pastie.org/2015702
pastie.txt:chatlog 04-15-2011.txt:04-15-2011 13:57:05 [Tell] -->@tathya: but anyway, they never point to logs notice that, they just try and turn it into he said she said and twist stuff. I reposted the log here again: pastie.org/1796662
http://pastie.org/2015753 .
Funny how those seem to have gone missing isn't it, I guess you probably got your cronies to threaten the site into getting the logs removed? Again, just pathetic...
http://pastie.org/1900741
snipurl.com/union-roleplayers
You know why our channel got to be the biggest RP channel in the game?
Because our channel was actually *friendly* to new people instead of regarding them as a threat. http://pastie.org/2019826 I made damn sure not to give mods to people that asked for it it and instead to those that genuinely helped people and organised stuff off their own backs rather than going after "power", and you know what? People were happy without your little dictatorship
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Killerkitty, you are completely wrong. TonyV has contacted the person working on a private server offering to combine efforts. Guy Prefect is working on a tool to export characters from live servers in order to eventually import them to a private server.|
Originally Posted by Killerkitty
I support the numerous smart people actually doing something useful who are trying to work out how to make private servers or an alternate game! You could try doing that, too, but you're too stubborn obviously.
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I personally don't think the Titan Network's efforts to buy the IP will work (sorry Tony, I just don't see it happening) but I respect them for trying and I'll still cheer them every step of the way. The Titan Network has done a lot for this community, and if they want to give this one try, they deserve our support.
www.SaveCOH.com: Calls to Action and Events Calendar
This is what 3700 heroes in a single zone looks like.
Thanks to @EnsonsDeath for the GVE code that made me VIP again!
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As I said prior, I've seen it done before - where players bought an IP/Game from the publisher and to this day continue to maintain it.|
Originally Posted by Leandro
Killerkitty, you are completely wrong. TonyV has contacted the person working on a private server offering to combine efforts. Guy Prefect is working on a tool to export characters from live servers in order to eventually import them to a private server.
I personally don't think the Titan Network's efforts to buy the IP will work (sorry Tony, I just don't see it happening) but I respect them for trying and I'll still cheer them every step of the way. The Titan Network has done a lot for this community, and if they want to give this one try, they deserve our support. |
And that was from 1999.
Was that from a multinational corporation with a history of scorched earth policy (see: Tabula Rasa, which was ALSO making a profit at the time it was closed) rather than leaving behind anything for anyone else, like NCsoft?
If it happens in a blue moon, cool, but it's horrible if people put all efforts into this and then people are left with nothing having trusted in "Tony" to do everything for them. Don't let that happen, that's all I'm saying. My post before the last wasn't even directed at Tony, but the cult of "NCsoft/Tony will save us" is ridiculous.
The people that are actually doing constructive things are the cool people.
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It's not just TonyV, quite a few of us are working on it. We have him representing us because it makes more sense to consolidate our efforts, he's willing, and most everyone knows who he is and trust him. If he changes his mind and decides he can't do it, one of the rest of us will take over. We're going to see this through until we succeed, fail, or someone else saves CoH before we do.|
Originally Posted by Killerkitty
If it happens in a blue moon, cool, but it's horrible if people put all efforts into this and then people are left with nothing having trusted in "Tony" to do everything for them. Don't let that happen, that's all I'm saying. My post before the last wasn't even directed at Tony, but the cult of "NCsoft/Tony will save us" is ridiculous.
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We have been given no authority by the player population; we're doing this because someone has to, and it may as well be us.
Manga @ Triumph
"Meanwhile In The Halls Of Titan"...Titan Network Working To Save City Of Heroes
Save Paragon City! Efforts Coordination
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Thank you, Leandro. We are actively engaged in ALL avenues of keeping City of Heroes alive. Killerkitty seems to have ruled some out already, but I'm not willing to concede those. If we need to go the route of reverse engineering or creating a new game, there is a massively big time window in which that can happen. Pursuing our chances with NCsoft with the ideal scenario of keeping Paragon Studios as intact as possible has a much smaller time window, and we're focusing on first things first. It's that simple.
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Originally Posted by Leandro
TonyV has contacted the person working on a private server offering to combine efforts. Guy Prefect is working on a tool to export characters from live servers in order to eventually import them to a private server.
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We've been saving Paragon City for eight and a half years. It's time to do it one more time.
(If you love this game as much as I do, please read that post.)
Killer Kitty,
Tony is not the only person doing it, Cuppa is correct. Tony is the biggest voice from a reperibile website that has a loyal fan base and even Devs/Mods/Marketing who praise efforts.
Tony is the right direction for those unknowing on how to help, and is good source for those with abilities to do more than some others. A wonderful representative, unless that is you wishing to be a Rep for saving CoH in some manner. We could use the help.
Just little food for thought.
Soon�
How much of CoH is covered under the IP patent?
Is there anyway we can start from scratch, and make a new game called City of Titans or something? Using some of the tech and knowledge that the devs and other people have ammassed over the years of fiddling with the code?
Your character does not have capped defense. Depending on your AT the cap is between 175% - 225%. Your defense is not teal in the combat window, it can go higher. STOP SAYING IT IS CAPPED! The correct term is Soft Cap.
I enjoy playing in Mids. I specialize in Melee Characters, other AT's usually bore me.
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The downside to this kind of approach is that it takes a long time to make games as intricately detailed as City of Heroes, even with experienced designers, programmers, and artists. I mean, sure, even fully reverse-engineering a game like this can be done, but, it takes years to do. I mentioned the SWGEmu project earlier in the thread - that's exactly what they're doing. It's taken them, if memory serves, eight years to get to a relatively stable alpha release. We want to avoid that kind of scenario if at all possible.
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Originally Posted by _Pine_
How much of CoH is covered under the IP patent?
Is there anyway we can start from scratch, and make a new game called City of Titans or something? Using some of the tech and knowledge that the devs and other people have ammassed over the years of fiddling with the code? |
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Originally Posted by Killerkitty
Was that from a multinational corporation with a history of scorched earth policy (see: Tabula Rasa, which was ALSO making a profit at the time it was closed) rather than leaving behind anything for anyone else, like NCsoft?
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Mind you, I don't expect any of these revival attempts to be successful. But there's no harm in trying, and it's kind of nice to witness these efforts born from the effusive positivity this game and its community have fostered in a fair number of people.
Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
One of the websites reporting CoH is closing up paragon studios reports that they recieved the following when they contacted NC Soft:
Both NCsoft and Paragon Studios are incredibly proud of the success of City of Heroes, but unfortunately, the continued support of the franchise no longer fits within our long term goals for the company. All employees at Paragon Studios are affected by this decision, including the management team.
We will begin the City of Heroes sun setting process immediately with the goal to officially stop our service offerings for the franchise on November 30, 2012.
This was a very tough decision to make and wish the best for all Paragon Studio employees in their next ventures.
I see these things and pick up on "Proud of the success" meaning it wasn't losing money and "Long term goals" meaning they decided to use the server/ studio for something else. (Guild wars 2 maybe?)
Source: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Par...oft,17315.html
The petition link to Save CoH:
http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
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Freindly?! You have the GALL to claim that? You've never been friendly. Or reasonable, or polite, or had the common bloody human decency to listen to ANY other side of an argument but your own. 'I am right and you are all wrong!' is the only modus operandi you have ever gone by. |
Originally Posted by Killerkitty
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And now, NOW of all times, when the game might well be dying, you bloody DARE to bring your trite and pathetic little grudge up again?
In summation, you're going back on ignore. People, please stop quoting the troll.
Oh, and;
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GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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What you also may need between now and Nov 30 as a backup plan is to make a fraps+net traffic capture tool which records both simultaneously and then compresses the video. You can separately code a timeline tool that lets you display a timeline sync of the fraps video markers with net traffic. The net traffic window would display message breakdown sort of like Fiddler does for http to show what the data means (a constantly improving feature as your reverse engineering gets better). This accelerates decoding the server packets against the fixed client, esp. for a server that is possibly going to be offline at some point and not capable of providing further live correlation.
This is assuming you won't have access to any protocol docs from PS, and no significant formal help from existing devs who know it. The game is an absolute gold mine of communications protocol info while it is still running.
A big reason why it takes so long for things like EQ's Project99 effort and other emulation investments is simply having that protocol rosetta stone figured out.
Unless someone already has something like this.
I'm in for whatever I can do...including funding when you are ready.
Techbot, I'm tempted to find a way to take that picture of Scarface you posted last year and putting the character in your avatar in place of him.
Wow okay. I just noticed I never gave you my vote. I thought I did, had it written and everything, but in the confusion I must've closed the page before sending it. Well here it is, count me in.
I sub by the year and it was coming due on the 11th, and I was all set to spend a hundred or two on the second set of super packs. So you've got at least $300 from me right away if you get to that point. Plus an ongoing sub fee, by year or month, however you'd prefer it.
I think if anyone can do this it's you guys. Regardless though, thanks for trying.