Dear mods: NOW can we talk about other games?


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I've got so spoiled by CoH. Are there even any other MMOs out there that even have all or even most of of:
  • Level syncing, up and down (I think FFXI, does, but...)
  • Ability to do most content either teamed or solo (without making the solo option stupidly tedious)
  • Build flexibility (what if I don't want to make a cookie cutter FOTM?)
  • Team flexibility (not everyone likes the tank/heal/DPS trinity, especially when you have to spend an hour searching for whichever is missing)
Star Trek Online fits those requirements, if Trek is your kind of thing and you don't mind going back to Cryptic.


Goodbye, I guess.

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I don't mind some group stuff, like Task Forces or the like. But for me, the majority of the game has to be soloable. And not soloable in the sense of Star Wars Galaxies sitting there plinking away with bleed shots for half an hour on one stormtrooper.
I dunno about "majority", but I have never come close to running out. Of course, I don't play through stuff super fast; my highest level CoH character is 45, I think.


 

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Mmm, but Guild Wars 2 looks kind of fun


 

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Originally Posted by Lord_Nightblade View Post
Star Trek Online fits those requirements, if Trek is your kind of thing and you don't mind going back to Cryptic.
I rather enjoy Star trek Online. Only bad thing is you can get through the main storyline content in about a month. Grinding for gear is ok and can be done with a good fleet. There is plenty of user generated missions that are on par or better than the ones in the main missions in the game. If you love to grind, than almost everything in the game can be acquired for free, including Z-Store ships. It depends on how much you like the Trek IP.


 

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Mmm, but Guild Wars 2 looks kind of fun
It is pretty fun, to be honest.


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I rather enjoy Star trek Online. Only bad thing is you can get through the main storyline content in about a month. Grinding for gear is ok and can be done with a good fleet. There is plenty of user generated missions that are on par or better than the ones in the main missions in the game. If you love to grind, than almost everything in the game can be acquired for free, including Z-Store ships. It depends on how much you like the Trek IP.
Yeah, with the way PW is handling the stuff in the C/Z-Store, you've really got to love the IP to keep playing. I don't mind the store in and of itself, but they seriously need to rethink their pricing on a lot of the new additions.


Goodbye, I guess.

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Mmm, but Guild Wars 2 looks kind of fun
The first one was such a boring, bland, click-n-grind that I couldn't be bothered to even look at the sequel. Not even if they added some playable non-human characters.


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Farewell is like the end
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The first one was such a boring, bland, click-n-grind that I couldn't be bothered to even look at the sequel. Not even if they added some playable non-human characters.
Norn, Sylvari, Charr, and Asura, so yes.


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What a freaking roller coaster for me this weekend. Yesterday's announcement here, but then tonight?

http://www.blackmesasource.com/

Black Mesa is FINALLY READY for release.

If you don't know, it's a fan-made mod bringing the entire Half Life original game into the new Source engine. All remade textures, maps, levels, voice acting, particle effects and the whole deal. It's been a labor of love for those folks, and it's finally about to pay off. It looks gorgeous, and I will definitely enjoy playing that right after I finish another run through the original HL.

The mod is FREE, and runs only with the existence of a source engine game on your Steam account, so if you've got that, play it. OMG I cannot wait.

That and Borderlands 2 but it's still 60 bucks, so...


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Halo 4 is coming out soon and god, that's going to suck up so much of my time. I've got a stack of PS2, Wii, and 360 games also aching to be played.



 

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The first one was such a boring, bland, click-n-grind that I couldn't be bothered to even look at the sequel. Not even if they added some playable non-human characters.
When did you play it last? My first experience was with the first installment, and I didn't get very far for the reasons you mention. I tried again with Factions, and it was much more entertaining. With Nightfall and Eye of the North and the addition of heroes - among other things - I've found it quite fun.


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I miss the Super Smash Bros Brawl thread we had.

That was my first forum experience. Getting involved with all those SSBB fans as we patiently waited for the game to come out. Every day a new update would be released and we'd all share our thoughts. I remember when Sonic was revealed and everyone flipped the eff out.

Miss dat stuff.


 

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When did you play it last?
I don't recall when exactly it was, though it was some time after it had come out. It felt like I was playing a piss poor attempt at trying to make an MMO knockoff of the ******* child of Diablo and Baldur's Gate. The game was boring but tolerable through the beginning area, and then at the first city it seemed like I was pretty much going to have to grind the few enemies right outside the gate over and over for hours unless I wanted to team up with one of the jerks running around - there were NPCs to hire of course, but upon doing so I found them to be a nigh-useless waste of money. Given that on top of all that disappointing experience the only thing people seemed to be touting for it were PVP-based features, the game got mentally placed in the Absolute Waste bin. I think I'd place it in my top 3 worst experiences trying an MMO right behind Eve Online and Aion, respectively.

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Norn, Sylvari, Charr, and Asura, so yes.
Not even if.


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
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I don't recall when exactly it was, though it was some time after it had come out. It felt like I was playing a piss poor attempt at trying to make an MMO knockoff of the ******* child of Diablo and Baldur's Gate. The game was boring but tolerable through the beginning area, and then at the first city it seemed like I was pretty much going to have to grind the few enemies right outside the gate over and over for hours unless I wanted to team up with one of the jerks running around - there were NPCs to hire of course, but upon doing so I found them to be a nigh-useless waste of money. Given that on top of all that disappointing experience the only thing people seemed to be touting for it were PVP-based features, the game got mentally placed in the Absolute Waste bin. I think I'd place it in my top 3 worst experiences trying an MMO right behind Eve Online and Aion, respectively.
Your experience with Guild Wars is nearly a perfect mirror of my first experience with Guild Wars. Getting through the beginning area (boring but tolerable), dealing with the monsters right outside the gate, finding the NPCs kind of rubbish, and not really wanting to team with other people.

The first installment is rubbish in a lot of ways - the storyline is very long, and there's a lot of overland travel to get from one point to the next, and I think too many outposts. I mean, once it picked up (after reaching Lion's Arch... which takes a bit too long to reach, in my opinion) it was plenty of fun, but I didn't want to take it that far.

When Factions came out, I tried and found that the beginning area was more interesting, had more interesting quests, I didn't really mind the NPCs as much (although I can't really explain why - probably everything else was improved enough that they were less of a burden).

When Nightfall came out, the addition of heroes mitigated a lot of need to rely on other players or the NPC henchmen. Now you can have a full party of heroes and yourself and no one else, and thus create entire synergistic builds based on whatever you decide to bring along. Heroes being NPCs that are part of your party, who have full-blown builds like you do.

It really is an improvement. But I can understand not wanting to try it. I wouldn't have gone back in if it hadn't been for the Factions beta weekend.

But, my reaction was the same as yours, and for awhile Guild Wars was one of my favorite games.


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I don't think I will bother with another MMO unless it has these things:

1) Little or no emphasis on PvP
2) High level of build customisation
3) Plenty of support for solo play
4) A setting that isn't genericfantasyland or realworldpostapoclypsevampirenonsense

Mechanically, Rift is at the top, but that fails by being Genericfantasyland. TOR has the best setting, but fails by being a SoulessWoWclone.

But its the community I will miss, and I can't see anything else that would attract the same kind of people


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I don't recall when exactly it was, though it was some time after it had come out. It felt like I was playing a piss poor attempt at trying to make an MMO knockoff of the ******* child of Diablo and Baldur's Gate. The game was boring but tolerable through the beginning area, and then at the first city it seemed like I was pretty much going to have to grind the few enemies right outside the gate over and over for hours unless I wanted to team up with one of the jerks running around - there were NPCs to hire of course, but upon doing so I found them to be a nigh-useless waste of money. Given that on top of all that disappointing experience the only thing people seemed to be touting for it were PVP-based features, the game got mentally placed in the Absolute Waste bin. I think I'd place it in my top 3 worst experiences trying an MMO right behind Eve Online and Aion, respectively.



Not even if.
Hmm, well I'm not trying to convince anyone. I've been backing off of playing anything for a while now, especially since hearing about this news...but I have been looking into the realm of MMOs, at first to see just what state the industry is in to have lost such a gem as CoX. Then I started thinking "I actually *do* enjoy playing games, if only casually...I can't just play nothing..."

I'm actually seriously thinking of trying it because it does look fun. And it looks fun for a variety of reasons:

-I like beat-em-up action games at their core, all the way back to Nintendo and Sega. GW2 is pretty action beat-em up.

-You only have to buy the game. No subscription. I can play it somewhat like CoX in that I don't have to keep playing to get my money's worth.

-It's not grindy from what videos show. You're focused on skill points earned by doing quests and junk, not levels. The game auto-levels you depending what you're doing/what zone you're in. It's like CoX super-sidekicking but making it zone/event-wide.

-Rather free-form character spec. You can use whatever weapon floats your boat and spec to specialize in such but you can *use* whatever weapon your class can use whenever you like and switch on the fly.

-It's twitch based. I've always preferred games like Ninja Gaiden series, which this seems exactly like.

Of course, all those are my preferences. Some of those might be strikes for you...maybe even the fantasy setting which I've never minded at all. But just taking a look at the game from videos and it looks fun. Of course, this is coming from someone who hasn't played another MMO in years besides CoX.


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1) Little or no emphasis on PvP
I'm actually looking forward to a game that doesn't laugh at its PvP. As much as I love CoX, I hated the way people disregarded PvP. I used to PvP back before i13 I believe. I wasn't very good but the groups that I ran with didn't discourage me.

But I think the strength comes in for GW2 is that the PvP looks somewhat engaging if you're into that and you're probably going to find most will focus on PvPing...but you're not forced to *AND* the PvE looks damned engaging as well. From the vids I've seen, similar to how much of CoX content focused on instances, GW2 seems to be about the zone events. And unlike CoX zone events, there are multiple conditions for those events...if you fail one objective, the event doesn't fail or it doesn't wait for you to complete it. The event will branch into another event or objective.

Yes, the player review videos seem to show a lot of good things happening in this game. I'm sure there are negatives (which I'd also love to hear about) but it still looks fun even for just a Friday night that I've got nothing going on.


 

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What a freaking roller coaster for me this weekend. Yesterday's announcement here, but then tonight?

http://www.blackmesasource.com/

Black Mesa is FINALLY READY for release.

If you don't know, it's a fan-made mod bringing the entire Half Life original game into the new Source engine. All remade textures, maps, levels, voice acting, particle effects and the whole deal. It's been a labor of love for those folks, and it's finally about to pay off. It looks gorgeous, and I will definitely enjoy playing that right after I finish another run through the original HL.

The mod is FREE, and runs only with the existence of a source engine game on your Steam account, so if you've got that, play it. OMG I cannot wait.

That and Borderlands 2 but it's still 60 bucks, so...
Awesome. I am so there.

Here's to hoping that they do Opposing Force someday, too.


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woo!

I'm going to DC Universe Online. I will probably also install Champions and give it a try as well.

I like DCUO's look, but the chat system leaves a lot to be desired, however the world is very populated giving it an occupied feel that I can enjoy.

I'm just not a fan of fantasy MMO's. I play DDO because RL friends do. But it just doesn't capture my imagination.
My main beef with DCUO was that it didn't understand what a hero was and simply crossed out "Paladin" and wrote in "Superhero." Having to buy things and deal with item degradation and the boringly obvious static world simply overwhelmed the cool travel powers and awesome locations. I admit that I was stunned and thrilled when I got to the space station, but the gameplay just didn't do it for me.


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They've got a three day trial running, and if you do 30 missions in that 3 days (really not very hard) you get two more days and $10 worth of funcom points. Personally I play TSW and enjoy it tremendously.
Hear hear. Another TSW'er reporting in. I'm also (guiltily, now, thanks stupid NCSoft) playing a bit of GW2, but I'm trapped on a EU server. Augh!

TSW is fantastic and needs a lot more attention than it's currently getting though!


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-I like beat-em-up action games at their core, all the way back to Nintendo and Sega. GW2 is pretty action beat-em up.
Action/Beat-em-ups with RPG elements is probably my favourite game type overall. It's certainly the direction I'd prefer a Superhero game to go in, but the other two Superhero games tried to go in that direction and didn't implement it very well. And it's probably part of why I'm enjoying TERA so much.

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I'm actually looking forward to a game that doesn't laugh at its PvP. As much as I love CoX, I hated the way people disregarded PvP.
The more a game disregards PvP, the happier I am. The best I can generally hope for is segregated PvE servers.

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My main beef with DCUO was that it didn't understand what a hero was and simply crossed out "Paladin" and wrote in "Superhero." Having to buy things and deal with item degradation and the boringly obvious static world simply overwhelmed the cool travel powers and awesome locations. I admit that I was stunned and thrilled when I got to the space station, but the gameplay just didn't do it for me.
Yeah, they really nailed the city environments... in scale and impressive architecture if nothing else. None of the three Superhero games nailed the Superheroes, IMO, though CoH came closest for me (and yet was always so far away). DCUO missed the mark the most, though, which made me sad as I flew/ran/climbed around Gotham and Metropolis.


Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound

 

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I hoped that Marvel would create an MMO in the style between COH and DCUO with a costume creator, game play of CoX with the scale and iconic locations of DCUO. Unfortunately, they created Ultimate Alliance Online.


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Hear hear. Another TSW'er reporting in. I'm also (guiltily, now, thanks stupid NCSoft) playing a bit of GW2, but I'm trapped on a EU server. Augh!

TSW is fantastic and needs a lot more attention than it's currently getting though!
As it turns out, I'll be playing it too.


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I'm in TSW as Agge and Aggelakis (no surprise there) so feel free to friend me and talk **** about my terrible reaction time. (box purchase + sub)

I'm in GW2 as Agge, Aggelakis, and Agkelas (still no surprise) on Gunnar's Hold, an EU server. I can't wait until they implement server guesting so I can log in during NA prime time and still be able to team up with folks - on another server. (F2P after box purchase)

I'm in the Firefall beta as Agge (biiiiig surprise! oh wait--no) and have already slapped down the money for a founder's package. I love this game so much and it makes absolutely no sense because I am *terrible* at shooters. (F2P, full stop)

I am desperately waiting for WildStar to come out, but according to the meet and greet Sunday, they're probably two years out still - minimum of one, anyway. (they haven't decided their sub model because - well - not even out of friends-and-family beta!)

There are plenty of games I can fall back on, but none of them touch my heart like City does. I am hoping one of them catches my interest once the shock, dismay, and hurt fades from this gaping wound NCsoft gave me.


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Norn, Sylvari, Charr, and Asura, so yes.
Tall humans, vegan humans, angry humans and tiny humans.

(Kidding! But seriously, try shaving a Charr)


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As it turns out, I'll be playing it too.
Fantastic news! I can recommend Arcadia (not that "server" selection really matters).


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