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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
The Battalion draw their power from the Well (or more accurately, multiple wells across different worlds and dimensions). By destroying their Well, they cut off the Battalion's source of power, and thus defeated them.
Where was this actually stated in game? Please find me a direct quote that says that the Rikti destroyed their own Well to defeat the Battalion.


 

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Where was this actually stated in game? Please find me a direct quote that says that the Rikti destroyed their own Well to defeat the Battalion.
Find me a direct quote (from an NPC who isn't a lying manipulative bstd who likes to hang with Nemesis) to support your version of events.


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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
Find me a direct quote (from an NPC who isn't a lying manipulative bstd who likes to hang with Nemesis) to support your version of events.
The only in-game mention of the Battalion (except for big blue in ouro) is from a clue you get doing serpent drummer's arc.

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After the initial wars to unify the planet thousands of years ago, the Lineage of War was very small, only rising to prominence during a very few infrequent civil wars and insurrections. Their last big operation was against an alien force called the Battalion about 100 years ago. Since then, their power had been tapering off to its normal ceremonial levels until the start of the war with Earth.
It doesn't mention anything about Rikti gods or magic, so we have no idea if that had anything to do with the Battalion or if it happened at an earlier time.



 

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It's already been established that a war with the Battalion is a war against heaven.

The Rikti. They defeated the Battalion in the distant past, and as a consequence have no gods and no magic.
PSSTTT 100 years is not the "distant" past.


 

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Where was this actually stated in game? Please find me a direct quote that says that the Rikti destroyed their own Well to defeat the Battalion.
They didn't. he's confusing magic with the Well again.


 

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Also, considering that the Well is interdimensional, the Rikti Well is our Well... since, y'know, they're really genetically altered humans from a parallel Earth.


 

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wow, that's just an ugly picture.

Looks like somebody went crazy with MS Paint & a CoH themed clip art folder.


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wow, that's just an ugly picture.

Looks like somebody went crazy with MS Paint & a CoH themed clip art folder.
Agreed.

For a long time I wondered why there were no Churches in Paragon, I no longer wonder that. I personally would prefer if religion stay out of the game. Someone will get offended, and it is just better to avoid it imo.

I would prefer if the Battalion were just aliens. Leave the angels a mystery, or supporting NPCs.


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I would prefer if the Battalion were just aliens. Leave the angels a mystery, or supporting NPCs.


Same. Although, weren't the shivans attacking Galaxy City connected to the Battalion too? I'm like..50/50 sure on that though. It could mean that the Battalion use a variety of species in their attack.


Then again, I don't pay toooo close attention to the lore, so I'm just throwing stuff against a wall here.


 

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Yea, the Battalion have recruited multiple species. The red lava looking shivans work for the Battalion, while the blue shivans are fleeing from them.


 

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I pictured the Battalion to be more or less similar to Rularuu in appearance. I mean Rularuu has that "Supreme God" look to him, right?


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I pictured the Battalion to be more or less similar to Rularuu in appearance. I mean Rularuu has that "Supreme God" look to him, right?
An otherwordly, omnipotent, incredible being that's more cosmic in appearance than actually god-like, yeah. I always loved that about him. He reminds me of someone Silver Surfer would encounter. And considering the appearance of the new Shivans vs. the old, I have high hopes the Battalion will give us a legit cosmic threat that isn't religious or just humans from another dimension.

Also still waiting on a citation for the whole Rikti-destroying-their-Well thing. Not surprised, tbh.


 

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I wonder if we won't see a reappearance of the Trolls' cosmic aura, Battle Fury and Dark Matter at the same time(sidenote: I want to use it too) from SSA2 part 2 with the Battalion.


 

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I pictured the Battalion to be more or less similar to Rularuu in appearance. I mean Rularuu has that "Supreme God" look to him, right?
When you reach that level of power, you can look like anything you want.

So, what are you going to do? Look twisted and alien, or look like something that will fool people into thinking you are good guys?


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When you reach that level of power, you can look like anything you want.

So, what are you going to do? Look twisted and alien, or look like something that will fool people into thinking you are good guys?
I will manifest as a can of pinto beans. "I AM PINTOMAN!! I AM YOUR BEANY MASTER!!! BOW TO PINTOMAN! WAHAHAHAHA!!"


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And you can't destroy a race's well without turning that race into a hollowed out shell of itself.
Would lack of personality in an entire races speech patterns and loosing it's original appearance count as a hollowed shell of itself?


 

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Would lack of personality in an entire races speech patterns and loosing it's original appearance count as a hollowed shell of itself?
No. They communicate telepathically via a hive mind network, are naturally peaceful with one another, have incredibly advanced technology, and tend to be very intelligent. If anything I'd say they transcended past humanity's flaws rather than fell behind and became weaker.

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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU View Post
When you reach that level of power, you can look like anything you want.

So, what are you going to do? Look twisted and alien, or look like something that will fool people into thinking you are good guys?
That's a matter of personal opinion on the part of the one wielding the power. One may want to look like Galactus, another may want to look like a guy in a suit and nothing more. It all depends.


 

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No. They communicate telepathically via a hive mind network,
=loss of individualism

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are naturally peaceful with one another,
= loss of competitive drive

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have incredibly advanced technology,
Meh, a few ray guns and spaceships, and teleportation? They aren't really ahead of the average tech origin hero.

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and tend to be very intelligent.
Really? Not intelligent enough to avoid being taken in by Nemesis.


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wow, that's just an ugly picture.

Looks like somebody went crazy with MS Paint & a CoH themed clip art folder.
I was gonna say: who vomited all over the game? lol


 

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=loss of individualism
Not really. Sure, you won't see any Rikti celebrities being worshipped by the masses (IMO a step up from humanity), but looking at certain arcs such as the RWZ ones or Angus McQueen's, Rikti are capable of individual thought along with being in their hivemind.

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= loss of competitive drive
The lack of a want to kill each other makes them non competitive? Just because they coexist much better than we do doesn't make them worse. Plus they still keep a military strictly for ceremonial purposes. Therefore, they have ceremonies, which are usually for celebrating something, like incredible achievements.

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Meh, a few ray guns and spaceships, and teleportation? They aren't really ahead of the average tech origin hero.
The Rikti War and studying Rikti tech is what lead to the average tech hero being so strong. Teleportation (which is something we still can't achieve in the real world and is no small marvel in and of itself), mass produced advanced weaponry and power suits used by the PPD, Crey, etc., medical breakthroughs, and so on were only made possible because of recovered Rikti items. Even Arachnos became far more powerful from it, creating their Arachnos Fliers based on stolen Rikti designs and tech. Remember, Rikti tech was so advanced and powerful that they managed to nearly annihilate us in the first war, and would have had it not been for us going on a suicide gambit and exploiting a weakness of their's we managed to discover.

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Really? Not intelligent enough to avoid being taken in by Nemesis.
Considering Nemesis was a mastermind that managed to conquer the entire continent of America for a brief time by exploiting WW2, and has had his hands in so many simultaneous plots all throughout the world through clever infiltration and robotic duplicates? He's not a common Skull thug, you know.

Nemesis brutally rampaged through a peaceful society under humanity's banner, all while using the image of the Freedom Phalanx specifically. Combine that with the fact that he manipulated the current Lineage of War, someone who was incredibly motivated even by Rikti standards, and gave him a reason to fight and an enemy to go after, and it's pretty easy to see why they became motivated to strike back. I mean, look at what Pearl Harbor or 9/11 did to the U.S. public.

Honestly, I recommend you run Angus McQueen's arc and the RWZ arcs and really pay attention to the story and clues. Maybe do a little research on Paragon Wiki, as well, 'cause there are some pretty interesting things to read that pertain to backstory, lore, and the Rikti's place in it.


 

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=loss of individualism

= loss of competitive drive

Meh, a few ray guns and spaceships, and teleportation? They aren't really ahead of the average tech origin hero.

Really? Not intelligent enough to avoid being taken in by Nemesis.
The Rikti have a civil war abrewing and they were able to learn magic and to have individual personalities that break with the hive and to translate their language into vernacular English. All that is spelled out in their arcs. They are not a shelled out race lacking Potential.

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Their Well is the same as The Well of all humans in all dimensions. A race's Well is pandimensional.


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Well, you see, each species has a well, and it's a little shaky as to whethere Rikti are still technically the same species...By normal definition, they would have to be able to reproduce viably with their most recent ancestors, **** sapiens sapiens. If they can, they'd just be **** sapiens rikti; otherwise, they'd be considered **** rikti, i.e., a separate but closely related species. Note that I say "reproduce viably". Many closely related species can crossbreed (The Liger, pretty much my favorite animal), but the offspring they produce tend to be infertile, especially males. Thus, in order for Rikti to be considered the same species as Humans, they would have to be able to crossbreed with a normal Human, and the offspring produced would have to be viable. Luckily, genetic tests can be run instead.

EDIT: Apparently, the Human genus is a censored word, likely due to its more pejorative vernacular use.


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The lack of a want to kill each other makes them non competitive?
Yes, it does. War and competition for resources are the same thing in evolutionary terms.
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Just because they coexist much better than we do doesn't make them worse. Plus they still keep a military strictly for ceremonial purposes. Therefore, they have ceremonies, which are usually for celebrating something, like incredible achievements.
It's doesn't make the "worse", no, that would be a value judgement. But everything we learn about them, including their fondness for ceremony, points to a society that was stagnating until they came into contact with Primal Humans.



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The Rikti War and studying Rikti tech is what lead to the average tech hero being so strong. Teleportation (which is something we still can't achieve in the real world and is no small marvel in and of itself), mass produced advanced weaponry and power suits used by the PPD, Crey, etc., medical breakthroughs, and so on were only made possible because of recovered Rikti items. Even Arachnos became far more powerful from it, creating their Arachnos Fliers based on stolen Rikti designs and tech. Remember, Rikti tech was so advanced and powerful that they managed to nearly annihilate us in the first war, and would have had it not been for us going on a suicide gambit and exploiting a weakness of their's we managed to discover.
You can't reverse engineer technology that is too far ahead of what you have already. Could a very clever Roman reverse engineer a flintlock musket? Possibly. Could they reverse engineer a mobile phone? Not a chance.

Regardless, Paragon now has pretty much everything the Rikti had, so if Rikti is so good against the Battalion, then they don't pose any threat to Paragon at all.

Frankly, I find the idea that the Rikti where able to fight off the cosmic level Battalion because of "superior" technology utterly ridiculous, and not remotely supported by anything in game.

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Honestly, I recommend you run Angus McQueen's arc and the RWZ arcs and really pay attention to the story and clues. Maybe do a little research on Paragon Wiki, as well, 'cause there are some pretty interesting things to read that pertain to backstory, lore, and the Rikti's place in it.
I know them well. I suggest you look at them again with a more open mind, and in light of what Prometheus says (and where it is clearly indicated that he is lying).


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