Who is dead?

Hi everybody,

First of all, this topic is going to contain spoilers so please don't read if you're sensitive to those sorts of things.

I've played for a while but never bothered posting and I looked for this topic but couldn't find it. (Sorry if it currently exists) As the title indicates I was wondering which of the Praetorians are actually dead. Dead in this case meaning "not going to make a comeback later on". For the bulk of them we're not given a solid answer but I was wondering if there were canon outcomes that I'd missed.

This is what I've taken away from the latest stories so please correct me if I'm wrong:

-Tyrant - I haven't had time to play the magisterium yet, does he die or does he just have his powers taken away and throw him in the zig?

-Dominatrix - Joined the resistance and primal earth during the Dark Astoria Saga. She's not the nicest person so I assume she'll betray the Hero side as soon as it benefits her, possibly a good rival for Miss Liberty?

-Anti-Matter - Defeated during Keyes Island trial, nothing to indicate he's actually dead, possibly had his power suit destroyed. Perhaps he's hiding out on his space station?

-Battle Maiden - Defeated during Apex task force, appears to have joined Malta during the DA storyline.

-Neuron - Defeated during Tin Mage Mk II Taskforce, during the most recent Praetorian Arc, Belladonna's arc, she states that both Praetor White and Berry are missing or have vanished. That implies to me that while they were defeated that weren't actually killed and may have fled to primal earth or elsewhere.

-Bobcat - Defeated during Tin Mage Mk II, I haven't seen her mentioned since. I assume if Neuron is alive Bobcat will be too.

-Mother Mayhem - Appears to have died during the MoM trial, the final phase indicates her mind is actually dying. One of the NPCs does say that she may be hiding in some far edge of the Seer network so maybe she could make a comeback.

-Malaise - Appears to have been overwhelmed by Mother Mayhems will and then destroyed during the MoM trial.

-Siege - "His" body is overpowered during the BaF and taken over by Metronome. One of Maria Jenkins random missions seems to indicate that Siege isn't a robot as much as he is a computer program meaning he could possibly move himself to a new war walker body if he needed to.

-Nightstar - Deactivated during the BaF trial, nothing to indicate she still exists.

-Chimera - Appears to die during the Magisterium trial, doesn't defeating him trigger a dead mans switch?

-Black Swan - Defeated during the Magisterium, possible she's still alive.

-Diabolique - Destroyed by Dream Doctor using the Dagger of Jocas, apparently.

-Infernal - I think the only mention of the Praetorian Infernal I've seen is during Maria Jenkins arc. I assume he/she is still alive.

-Marauder - Defeated during Lamda trial, seems to have recovered from his defeat and fled praetoria. (Belladonna mentions that P. White has vanished, I assume if he died in Lamda they'd mention it)

-Maelstrom - Defeated during TPN Campus, could be dead or alive.

As a side note, has there ever been mention of a Praetorian Lady Grey?

Edit: Also has there ever been a mention of the Praetorian verisons of the arachnos patrons and their henchmen? (excluding Belladonna)

Tyrant is still alive by the end of the Magisterium Trial - I'm not cvertain what we'll do with him next

EDIT: Also, welcome to the forums

You left out Shadowhunter. I haven't paid the closest attention in Magesterium so I don't know what his fate is supposed to be following his defeat there. Of course, he's technically already (un)dead anyway.

No Praetorian Black Scorpion, Mako or Scirocco that I'm aware of. Same with Barracuda, Ice Mistral, Wretch and Silver Mantis. Stefan Richter, of course, was killed by Praetorian Marcus Cole at the Well.

Praetorian War Witch's body has been possessed by the spirit of Primal War Witch, which means technically she's dead as well (but her spirit is still supposed to be roving about somewhere in Night Ward IIRC).

Relevant: http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Praetori...red_NPC_Status

Anti-matter is still alive as per the Minds of Mayhem trial. Speaking to Metronome he laments that we didn't kill Praetor Keyes.

No mention one way or the other about any of the other unknowns.

The person who became Wretch in Praetoria instead joined the PPD (IIRC, could be Syndicate) - one of the arcs in either Nova or Imperial (I want to say Nova) has you dealing with his family.

Nova.

Tunnel Rat -> mission 4

Paolo Marino = praetorian version of Wretch

I'm actually kind of glad Anti-Matter is still alive. For as much as Positron (the character) has gotten a bad rap for being a favourite and having everything handed to him, Anti-Matter was sort of the butt monkey of Praetoria, and yet he seemed to be almost the only one of the lot who was actually competent and not criminally insane at the same time. AND he got the short end of the stick for trying to be a nice guy with Duncan, who promptly used him to get away with murder.

Honestly, this guy, for all he does, just seems like he's trying to do a good job and have someone appreciate him. If anyone should be making a heel-face turn, it should be him, since he comes off as pretty much a good guy in Praetoria. Granted, I don't know what he's like in the Quays Island Trial, but he can't be that bad.

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Originally Posted by Lazarillo This seems kind of like a doofy explanation to me. How exactly do all these villains end up "missing"? Incarnates: godlike powers, but too lazy remember what they did to the cosmic threats?

Same reason the "Coming Storm" left Ouroboros alone in the future. Once he's beaten and gone missing, he's essentially inert, and there are other, much bigger threats to worry about than one runaway scientist with nothing to his name. Sure, there may be a manhunt out for him for a while, but if he fled into the Devouring Earth sectors, finding him is unlikely until after the war.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

The devs confirmed he was still alive on a recent Ustream broadcast.

Actually, he's both. Doing his arc in the 1-20 Praetoria, yeah, you do get the idea that he's more like a working stiff and at least not so outwardly, obviously evil like Neuron's complete apathy for anything regarding human rights, Mother Mayhem's outright insanity, or Marauder's Might Makes Right thug mentality.

But he is evil. And quite insane. His singular devotion to Dominatrix is pretty much -beyond- obsession.

I do kind of agree that the Anti-Matter that you face in the Keyes trial is probably him at his most broken and demented after losing pretty much everything else of value in his life.

But I don't think that should be regarded as he's a good guy that's just lost everything. He's still pretty evil in a "Any means to an end" way. He would not hesitate to kill in the name of Praetoria.

He's also a murderer.