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And the only logical response to theft is to conquer the multiverse.
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Originally Posted by Zemblanity
I believe they were looting random neighbouring dimensions for technology, like the original Maelstrom device. That's the first impression Praetoria had of Primal Earth - government-sanctioned thieves.
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So we destroyed the village to save it.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It was a world where might made wrong, so we went in and fixed the problem.
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We didn't touch the village - its "protector" was the one who nuked it |
Originally Posted by GadgetDon
So we destroyed the village to save it.
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thats like having synthetics destroy organics so that synthetics dont destroy organics...|
Originally Posted by GadgetDon
So we destroyed the village to save it.
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...and who would ever think that?
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And now that Evil has been Thwarted (and much of one of the few surviving cities/safe havens on the planet has been smashed flat), you declare victory and fly off to the next superbattle, right? Picking up the pieces, that's someone else's problem...
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It was a world where might made wrong, so we went in and fixed the problem.
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Yeah, after we destroyed the agreement keeping Hamidon at bay.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
We didn't touch the village - its "protector" was the one who nuked it
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Can you honestly say Praetoria is better off because the Primals went there? As opposed to, say, a message sent from Statesman to Emperor Cole, "Look, we don't want a war, I'll do my best to keep anyone from my dimension going there if you don't send any of your guys here"?
True, that didn't happen and might not have worked, there was a war and we needed to take it to Praetoria to avoid Praetoria conquering our dimension. But let's not pretend we did it to "liberate" Praetoria or that the net result of the war was in any way whatsoever good for Praetoria.
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We didn't make the agreement.|
Originally Posted by GadgetDon
Yeah, after we destroyed the agreement keeping Hamidon at bay.
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| Can you honestly say Praetoria is better off because the Primals went there? |
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| As opposed to, say, a message sent from Statesman to Emperor Cole, "Look, we don't want a war, I'll do my best to keep anyone from my dimension going there if you don't send any of your guys here"? |
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| True, that didn't happen and might not have worked, there was a war and we needed to take it to Praetoria to avoid Praetoria conquering our dimension. But let's not pretend we did it to "liberate" Praetoria or that the net result of the war was in any way whatsoever good for Praetoria. |
@Golden Girl
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By the person who was supposed to be "protecting" it.|
Originally Posted by Megajoule
and much of one of the few surviving cities/safe havens on the planet has been smashed flat
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| you declare victory and fly off to the next superbattle, right? Picking up the pieces, that's someone else's problem... |
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The ones that aren't dead, or won't be able to be evacuated before being devoured.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
The Paretorians are now free - they're in a way better state than they were under the oppression of the loyalist dictatorship.
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Cole isn't interested in Multiversal conquest at the moment, though, to my knowledge. He just wants to conquer Primal Earth.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
And the only logical response to theft is to conquer the multiverse.
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Nemesis is the one with multiversal goals.
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An even wiser man once said, "Hell is other people."
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Originally Posted by SpyralPegacyon
As a wise man once said: 'War is hell.'
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He wants to conquer the multiverse, starting with Primal Earth - his plan is to rule all of existence.
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Originally Posted by Zombieluvr
Cole isn't interested in Multiversal conquest at the moment, though, to my knowledge. He just wants to conquer Primal Earth.
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Care to put a citation on that?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He wants to conquer the multiverse, starting with Primal Earth - his plan is to rule all of existence.
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I really do hope we're going to get the opportunity to help rebuild Praetoria, either with our characters directly or by NPC actions indirectly. I mean, Tyrant had to go. He was insane and absurdly powerful, and that's not a good combination. But now we have an entire world we know very little about outside of Tyrant's city, and there are some hard decisions to make.
How much of Praetorian Earth does Hamidon really control? If Tyrant's enclave was all that was left of humanity, then Hamidon has pretty much won, although it still might need to be put down. Is Hami confined to the North America/South America landmass? If that's the case, how have Europe, Africa, Asia and Australia developed?
Do the refugee Praetorians want to go back? I imagine all them have grown up living in fear of the mighty Hamidon, and probably quite a few of them will have no desire to return without some obvious protection. How about the industries, and the utilities, and the food production? Is it soon enough to just turn everything back on, or have things already begun to fail and/or spoil?
What will the Resistance do now? Keep hiding in the Underground, or move up into the light or help create a new society? And maybe feed Calvin Scott to Hami.
I really don't want the devs to just abandon Praetoria, although I guess that is a possibility. It just wouldn't feel very heroic. There's too much left unanswered, and leaving it where Tyrant blasted it into rubble will benefit no one except for Hamidon and his hordes.
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Seems doubtful that he cares much about Saturn, or WarwolfWord, or Hoorbville. I think he's just got his sights on Primal.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
He wants to conquer the multiverse, starting with Primal Earth - his plan is to rule all of existence.
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In any event, there's Multiversal, and then there's interplanetary (or interdimensional/planetary. Interdimensionary?).
By which I mean to say that, in the grand cosmic scheme of things, the petty problems of two planets located on the sticks of on the butt end of their respective dimensionally counterpart galaxies don't amount to a hill of beans.
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At the risk of dragging the thread even more off-topic, there's a vocal minority who would argue that most red-size missions and strike forces aren't particularly villainous, so it's not as though it'd be that big a deal to accept a 'redeemed' villain, especially one whose bad deeds weren't witnessed by most folks in Primal Earth.|
Originally Posted by GadgetDon
Is Praetor Keyes that much worse than a player character that did all the red side arcs and strike forces?
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Care to put a citation on that?
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"Emperor Cole's ultimate goal is not to hold ultimate sway over our Earth, but to conquer the entire multiverse."
Plus, Ramiel spells it out in the I20 Trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sv7YF...8&feature=plcp
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<cue Indiana Jones theme song>
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Originally Posted by Zemblanity
I believe they were looting random neighbouring dimensions for technology, like the original Maelstrom device. That's the first impression Praetoria had of Primal Earth - government-sanctioned thieves.
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Originally Posted by Zombieluvr
By which I mean to say that, in the grand cosmic scheme of things, the petty problems of two planets located on the sticks of on the butt end of their respective dimensionally counterpart galaxies don't amount to a hill of beans.
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In the grand scheme of all creation, yeah, you are probably right.
Then again, these two little planets (or just one little planet if you count just Primal Earth) have attracted the attention of a terrifyingly powerful race that devours the collective potential of entire species and civilizations...
aka, The Battalion.
As far as I can tell, Prometheus is the only one saying that we should abandon Praetoria to the Hamidon and its Devouring Earth, and from a certain point of view I can understand his reasoning... To him, (at least the way he is portraying things) the Battalion is the far greater threat...
That doesn't mean we should agree with him though.
Even if we did completely abandon Praetoria, what's to say that Prae-Hami won't try to come after us? It's hatred of humanity could be a driving factor in how far it would go to try and eradicate us all.
All this being said, I just can't see how the developers would go through all the time and effort of creating Praetoria (all the zones, which include the Underground and First/Night Ward, new enemies, new game assets, and who knows how many more things I can't think of...) and end up just trashing it. I think (hope?) they have more plans for Tyrants homeworld... We just don't know about them yet.
"The part of me that is leaving... is going to miss the part of me that is staying..."
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Considering every dialogue option you get with Prometheus involves him being a snarky, self-righteous, egotistical bunghole, I don't think ANYONE should agree with him.|
Originally Posted by NaoGal
As far as I can tell, Prometheus is the only one saying that we should abandon Praetoria to the Hamidon and its Devouring Earth, and from a certain point of view I can understand his reasoning... To him, (at least the way he is portraying things) the Battalion is the far greater threat...
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Seriously, why is the keeper of the Incarnate Lore a giant blueberry-colored ***hole?
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I think it's so that Villains will feel like he's one of them, even when they're being asked to help the Heroes.
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Originally Posted by Nalrok_AthZim
Considering every dialogue option you get with Prometheus involves him being a snarky, self-righteous, egotistical bunghole, I don't think ANYONE should agree with him.
Seriously, why is the keeper of the Incarnate Lore a giant blueberry-colored ***hole? |
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My villains can carry on a freaking conversation without making stupid insults.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I think it's so that Villains will feel like he's one of them, even when they're being asked to help the Heroes.
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At one point he calls your character 'an impetuous child' for asking about the Well further than "what is it." He also has this really bad habit of going "NAH, I DON'T FEEL LIKE TELLING YOU ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW, GO AWAY."
I swear, I wish there was a dialogue choice that amounted to "I will slap your teeth out you oversized Smurf reject." Prometheus is, IMO, the most unbearable NPC in the game.
I'd rather listen to Becky the Tarantula Mistress. At least she's funny kind of.
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"Dark Armor is a complete waste as a tanking set."
They should just give the Prometheus model a trollface 
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