When will Advanced iXP be available elsewhere
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Posted on: 2012-05-31 15:06 in Player Questions
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Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
I don't think you get enough even bothering with the first 4 AV's. Just do the 250 IDF, quit League, rinse and repeat.
Doing it this way I unlocked Hybrid on my last two AT's yesterday in about 40 minutes each. We had a small farm team and when the Queue was working this was extremely fast. |
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Agreed. The AVs aren't worth that much. Around 3% for the first 3, I think. It's faster to just cycle through the IDF, as they are worth around 17% each pass, with some variation based on how many LTs and minions bite it compared to bosses (since it cuts off at 250 no matter what their rank was).
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Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
I don't think you get enough even bothering with the first 4 AV's. Just do the 250 IDF, quit League, rinse and repeat.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
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Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
I was expecting this to be farmed anyway, but not for the reasons I thought. You are guaranteed an Emp. Merit every successful run AND you have better odds of getting Rare and Very Components compared to the other trials. Last night I was on a league that failed to defeat Tyrant only once. But it is faster to unlock by just farming the 250, leaving and repeat. I can still see complete runs being farmed at some point when we adjust to that Tyrant end fight.
They knew this would be an issue, time will fix it.
As to farming it: I've seen up to 25% on the first phase atleast, maybe more if you are good. The average run yeilds like 22% normally. People that are getting sub 20% are missing a large chunck and doing it poorly 
I personally like the target rich enviroment and all the chaos.
I've also completed the trial, it's fun as well, but my objective is iXP, so that is -not- the best course of action for my time.
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It seems that the devs arent listening to a lot of things we comlain about.
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I don't see this at all. There are already trials that serve the EM per run quota, are more fun AND don't lock people out that don't have lore AND destiny unlocked. There is ZERO reason to "farm" this trial beyond the IXP and certainly not for the EM. IMHO of course lol.
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Originally Posted by ChaosAngelGeno
I was expecting this to be farmed anyway, but not for the reasons I thought. You are guaranteed an Emp. Merit every successful run AND you have better odds of getting Rare and Very Components compared to the other trials. Last night I was on a league that failed to defeat Tyrant only once. But it is faster to unlock by just farming the 250, leaving and repeat. I can still see complete runs being farmed at some point when we adjust to that Tyrant end fight.
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Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
In between LFG/Queue failures yesterday, I unlocked Hybrid on 3 of my Incarnates. All on farm teams.
I've not even SEEN Tyrant yet. Rather frustrating. It seems everyone just farms the Mag and once they have unlocked Hybrid they go run BAF or SLAMs to get components. Surely the devs could have seen this coming? |
Rest assured on freedom great badge team leaders like Kotchie and others WILL lead full runs, but yes much faster than the SLAM people have found that farming this puppy is A LOT less painful and will be the norm.
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
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Originally Posted by DumpleBerry
Personal enjoyment of individual things, in this case a new trial in the game, is subjective. So every time you correct someone on their personal feelings about something, you just look stupid.
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I've run near a dozen attempt to complete it, 11 got to Tyrant, but we could not get him below 20% health at any time.
When it fails, he says his defeated dialogue and turns into the small level 50 verison of himself(despite obvious failure), and vanishes after a few seconds. We even get "Trial Complete", despite its failure. Worst, the Magisterium grants no Astrals Merits for anything we did accomplish. After a awhile, it's just a damn threshing machine--to me not fun at all.
The 'prize', Hybrid is much less useful that I thought it would be. It's not something worth the difficulty of The Magisterium.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
I don't see this at all. There are already trials that serve the EM per run quota, are more fun AND don't lock people out that don't have lore AND destiny unlocked. There is ZERO reason to "farm" this trial beyond the IXP and certainly not for the EM. IMHO of course lol.
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- In general, I find it interesting how many people complain about things in this game. They seem to want to get Rewards really, really fast (so they complain about how slow it is to do the solo incarnate stuff) and yet also complain about having to "farm" something. These seem like for the most part mutually exclusive lines of thinking.
If you want your stuff fast...you do the fast stuff and give up the story arc part of the game. If you enjoy the story arc part of the game you give up some of the speed to level up. Seems like an entirely logical counterbalance.
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Don't worry. My comment wasn't directed at you, and I agree with pretty much everything you said.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Eh, I'm just bitter.
I've run near a dozen attempt to complete it, 11 got to Tyrant, but we could not get him below 20% health at any time. When it fails, he says his defeated dialogue and turns into the small level 50 verison of himself(despite obvious failure), and vanishes after a few seconds. We even get "Trial Complete", despite its failure. Worst, the Magisterium grants no Astrals Merits for anything we did accomplish. After a awhile, it's just a damn threshing machine--to me not fun at all. The 'prize', Hybrid is much less useful that I thought it would be. It's not something worth the difficulty of The Magisterium. |
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I'm not sure how you can miss a large chunk of something you're required to defeat a specific quantity of and which can't defeat more of because they disappear when the threshold is met. You also cannot increase the iXP rewarded by the AVs.|
Originally Posted by Arkyaeon
As to farming it: I've seen up to 25% on the first phase atleast, maybe more if you are good. The average run yeilds like 22% normally. People that are getting sub 20% are missing a large chunck and doing it poorly
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The only variable is how many bosses you defeat relative to minons and LTs, and I find it hard to believe anyone is cherry picking those targets given the AoE rich environment of leagues thick with +3s - if nothing else they are going to be laying out a lot of Judgements.
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American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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So you need to realize there are a bunch of IDF that aren't actually on the counter in the first 30secs of the trial and obviously the boss targeting as you said is important... but I guess you're assuming it's full of random people and don't have high expectations? It is quite easy to blast or punch a boss vs something lesser and still be efficient time wise -- not to say that you MUST cherry pick them, just keep it in mind.|
Originally Posted by UberGuy
The only variable is how many bosses you defeat relative to minons and LTs, and I find it hard to believe anyone is cherry picking those targets given the AoE rich environment of leagues thick with +3s - if nothing else they are going to be laying out a lot of Judgements.
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And what I ment was that when you already have to do it numerous times missing over 5% each run really adds up and ultimately causes you to do yet another run. I also have the characters to back it up, as I unlocked over a dozen characters Thursday evening all taking at most 5 runs with several only taking 4 and few just requiring the first mob in the 5th.
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Wanting to get rewards fast enough that you wouldn't have to farm anything seems complementary rather than mutually exclusive to me. What you see as irrational I see as cause and effect.| They seem to want to get Rewards really, really fast (so they complain about how slow it is to do the solo incarnate stuff) and yet also complain about having to "farm" something. These seem like for the most part mutually exclusive lines of thinking. |
To use myself as an example, about two years back I wasn't satisfied with the leveling experience rate, because if I played normally, I would inevitably do the same content over and over. Fast forward to now, and between all the new stuff devs added in the level 20-40 range, various buffs making characters more powerful and hence faster at obtaining experience, paragon rewards giving various patrol exp and exp boosts, and my playing time shrinking considerably (giving me full patrol exp almost everytime I play any given alt), it's all good and I don't even look at AE as I feel I'm making progress fast enough to have fun.
The elitists need to realize that some players collect powers like others collect badges. Its not that we even necessarily NEED the powers as fast as possible, but we have a desire to have whatever is "have-able" as soon as possible. I've already T4'd out 5 of my incarnates with Hybrid powers. In every single case but one, once crafted and slotted, I just retired that toon until the next Incarnate power comes along and then I'll do it all over again. With one of them, I actually went out and did a few more TF's just to see what the new Hybrid power brought me (which wasn't much...but then as a T4'd Incarnate, I don't need much).
People post all sorts of badge location and 'how-to' guides but the elitists don't ever bother pointing out that it would be "so much more fun to just stumble onto those badges naturally!" Why is farming an iTF aberrant behavior if following a badging guide/process is not? Its just a power. Not like getting it in any way deprives someone else's enjoyment of the game.
Well unless you factor in jealousy and petty selfishness, of course.
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Originally Posted by CyberGlitch
The elitists need to realize that some players collect powers like others collect badges. Its not that we even necessarily NEED the powers as fast as possible, but we have a desire to have whatever is "have-able" as soon as possible. I've already T4'd out 5 of my incarnates with Hybrid powers. In every single case but one, once crafted and slotted, I just retired that toon until the next Incarnate power comes along and then I'll do it all over again. With one of them, I actually went out and did a few more TF's just to see what the new Hybrid power brought me (which wasn't much...but then as a T4'd Incarnate, I don't need much).
People post all sorts of badge location and 'how-to' guides but the elitists don't ever bother pointing out that it would be "so much more fun to just stumble onto those badges naturally!" Why is farming an iTF aberrant behavior if following a badging guide/process is not? Its just a power. Not like getting it in any way deprives someone else's enjoyment of the game. Well unless you factor in jealousy and petty selfishness, of course. |
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On the bright side, you can fail the trial every time you run it and still unlock Hybrid.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
The 'prize', Hybrid is much less useful that I thought it would be. It's not something worth the difficulty of The Magisterium.
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Originally Posted by Justaris
'Obsolete' is a bit much, I think. Sure, they won't get you Hybrid, but plenty of people are hitting 50 with new characters all the time and wanting to incarnate them out, not to mention the Astrals and Empyrean Merits and badges to be earned. If you only do incarnate Trials on one character and you already have tier 4s of everything you have the slightest interest in then yes, the other trials are obsolete for you, but that's hardly everyone.
That said, if the Devs saw fit to include an alternate route to obtain regular iXP, then I fail to see how this is conceptually any different. Hopefully the solo route won't take quite so long to come to light this time. |
/agreed... let's face the fact that the reason people, myself included, are farming phase 1 of the Magisterium is because they have little desire to attempt tyrant without Hybrid or at all. That doesn't mean they don't want the power unlocked so they can use it elsewhere. I personally have opened up and slotted hybrid on 12 characters and 11 of them now have a t4 (several have TWO t4s). I will always have new characters hitting 50 and needing the likes of Lambda, BAF, etc to open and enhance the first five powers we got. Plus I can earn the same slavage I need to enhance hybrid doing a BAF or a TPN so why bother with Tyrant when i can pound Maelstrom into the cement outside the TPN again?
Right now we are all farming for Advance Psychic XP .. so what's next? In Issue 24 lets say they decide to open Genesis [please dear lord this is hypothetical don't start running around saying Genesis is coming in issue 24] .. and it requires Advanced Physical IXP. Since by then everyone will have their hybrid slot open do we now say that the Magesterium is obsolete too?
Give it time eventually we will have arcs that offer up AIXP and how much do you want to bet once they figure most of us have already gotten it .. They will start letting us BUY AIXP with threads just like they did before with regular IXP.
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Hybrid Support T4 wasn't too bad....8% global (almost) Defense buff while toggled and a few other nice things. Its not as good as say...Destiny or Interface...but its not awful either.
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You're making a quite common mistake of thinking that all feedback is sensible, worthwhile, and needs to be acted on
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The dev team knows that if it's too easy, people will get bored.
If it's too hard people will get frustrated.
Honestly, I think hitting in between those two lines is not easy, given the diverse range of subscribers. (I'll omit the premiums as this is an iTrial)
For me, they've hit it just right. But, I've been very blessed to be on a server with more highly competent players than not. If I were elsewhere, or of the pendulum of the rng accuracy were just a little bit less, I might be griping about it, too.
Sensible? It all makes sense to the poster. The Devs would do well to remember that. It makes sense to them. If their argument (philosophically) lacks merit, it's still a valid, worthwhile opinion. It doesn't mean that the devs should totally discount it - "Oh, that's So and So -she has more posts than any two players- she just likes to type stuff"
That type of discounting, though, is not a good thing.
Worthwhile? If someone takes the time to type out their opinion on the subject, it is worthwhile. Even if you or I or 98% of people disagree with it.
For the most part, the dev team tries to stay connected with the player base. But, they have to temper what we want, with 1) what they can give us, and 2) what they can give us and remain profitable or obtain profitability.
A lot of players are frustrated with this trial now - soon, it will become old hat for some, remain a fun challenge for others, and be over the top ridiculously hard for others. Just like every other trial, except maybe BAF.
Does all feedback need to be acted on? Of course. By definition, any feedback read is acted on. What those actions are could be to place it in the round file -because the dev team has a much larger picture to keep in mind. Some things they can't change because of what's coming down the pipe in 2013. Sometimes we forget that.
That's not to say there shouldn't be some adjustments, or some clarifications about these level shifts and how they're supposed to work.
So, no, the common mistake is to automatically discount opinions that are contrary to yours. We are subscribers, ergo, we are relevant. But, we can't assume that we know what's best for CoH. Some may have a very good idea, but there's a LOT we don't know, so we just can't be sure.
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I don't think that's a mistake at all. Everyone that pays for even a 50 point temp from the store is a customer. Their opinion has merit, no matter what that opinion may be.
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opinions have zero inherent merit.
Their value is linked inextricably from the quality of the idea they express.
Do all opinions have the right to be heard?
Certainly.
But they are not all created equal and the population at large is well served by keeping that in mind.
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What I'm frustrated about, with regard to this trial, is mostly the lack of options. When the iTrials first came out, the impression that was given was that over time we'd have an ever expanding pool of ways to advance through 'Incarnateness', for lack of a better work. And, while it was slow, it gradually did expand, and eventually we even saw a decent, if slow, solo/small team path.
All of that progression was a positive in my opinion. Now, suddenly, we take 5 steps back. There is only one option to progress again. There aren't even 2 or 3 iTrials to choose from, and certainly not even solo path. I see why they did it, they are hoping to force the players into trying they latest, but I don't think it's a good decision. They were finally to a point where you had some variety of options...
I wanted to check the Magisterium out, and see it to it's conclusion, but with the oods being high I'll end up in a farn, and the railroaded feeling I'm getting, I think I'll just give it a pass for now.. I've got plenty of 50s that still need all their t4s, and plenty of alts still on the path to 50 that I won't get bored if I wait till there are more options.
Doing it this way I unlocked Hybrid on my last two AT's yesterday in about 40 minutes each. We had a small farm team and when the Queue was working this was extremely fast.