When will Advanced iXP be available elsewhere
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Posted on: 2012-05-31 15:06 in Player Questions
We already tried to explain this issue to the devs and were basically told to "POUND SAND". So we have what we have...ain't it grand?
The development team and this community deserved better than this from NC Soft. Best wishes on your search.
I'm sure they'll fix it as quickly as they realized a solo/small team path for the *last* version of iXP was needed....
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
We already tried to explain this issue to the devs and were basically told to "POUND SAND". So we have what we have...ain't it grand?
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I love pounding sand...
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I think they said during a Ustream back in like April that Dr. Aeon already has plans for non-trial content to unlock Hybrid, but it won't be part of Issue 23.
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Until such time, Hybrid remains...disappointing.
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Originally Posted by Chad Gulzow-Man
I think they said during a Ustream back in like April that Dr. Aeon already has plans for non-trial content to unlock Hybrid, but it won't be part of Issue 23.
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I have to agree... a new form of incarnate advancement that I won't be partaking in because the method to do so is unappealing to me. Maybe next issue I can enjoy this issue's content if they let us have a solo/small team oriented method of advancing it then.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Until such time, Hybrid remains...disappointing.
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At least it makes the slot nice and quick to unlock.
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By farming. Aberrant game-play. Trying it for real is as much fun as kissing a wood-chipper. I haven't been this disappointed since ED was implemented.
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Originally Posted by Grouchybeast
At least it makes the slot nice and quick to unlock.
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it's not really that thrilling to begin with, regardless of how it unlocks.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
Until such time, Hybrid remains...disappointing.
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'Obsolete' is a bit much, I think. Sure, they won't get you Hybrid, but plenty of people are hitting 50 with new characters all the time and wanting to incarnate them out, not to mention the Astrals and Empyrean Merits and badges to be earned. If you only do incarnate Trials on one character and you already have tier 4s of everything you have the slightest interest in then yes, the other trials are obsolete for you, but that's hardly everyone.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
We have aberrant game-play rather than a feasible means of unlocking the new slot. We need some other means. We have scads of trials that are now obsolete, because they won't grants any of the new iXP.
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That said, if the Devs saw fit to include an alternate route to obtain regular iXP, then I fail to see how this is conceptually any different. Hopefully the solo route won't take quite so long to come to light this time.
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I could certainly be wrong, but my guess is that the Dev's thinking was that the solo incarnate path takers weren't in any hurry. I have done the mini-arcs ---and I will likely never do them again - the progress is far too slow to suit me.
I also think that the devs had actually envisioned players would progress up to t-4 eventually using threads- because the occurrence of rares and very rares via the solo path is indeed rare and very rare - much more so than in the average iTrial reward table. They probably did not count on some progressing faster than they thought.
I can tell you this, though - hybrid is NOT that great. It's a toggle that will essentially only work half the time (better than nothing, sure), not at all passive like interface. They had their reasons, and I suppose I can see their point, but I have more than enough things to click.
On my server, we did well over a dozen runs and did not farm any of the iXP. I don't blame them for doing so, though. Many of us have tons of threads that had no use until the hybrid slot. I was able to craft a t-4 before I joined the league for my first magisterium. And I know I'm not the only one. Aside from badges, there really was no compelling reason to finish the trial. Can't really blame them.
Fortunately, the trial is fun. The last part is a little crazy, but I like it like that.
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Originally Posted by Ukaserex
Fortunately, the trial is fun. The last part is a little crazy, but I like it like that.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
It's day one, and already, players are farming the Magisterium: Defeating 250 IDF, quitting the trial, and repeating, because there is no other way besides Magisterium to earn Hybrid.
We have aberrant game-play rather than a feasible means of unlocking the new slot. We need some other means. We have scads of trials that are now obsolete, because they won't grants any of the new iXP. When will this change? |
I remember folks farming the road outside Lambda for iXP and resetting without completing the Trial.
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Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
We already tried to explain this issue to the devs and were basically told to "POUND SAND". So we have what we have...ain't it grand?
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People declared people would and/or planned to farm the 250 IDF for Hybrid XP in the first day it was available on VIP beta, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was mentioned in closed beta.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
When will this change?
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The devs basically wanted a gate on this. Their choices were, broadly, something like this or new incarnate salvage. They listened to us on iSalvage (various folks regularly complain about the different types of salvage), so we got something like this.
I expect that we'll eventually get a solo path that unlocks this. Heaven only knows when that'll be, but as an addendum to this issue seems unlikely though not completely impossible. (I did see above though that we have an expectation already set that it won't be this issue.)
You have to bear in mind that not everyone farming this is farming it because they hate the trial or are already sick of it or things like that. I've farmed the trial some tonight, and I'm in none of those states. For better or worse, they front-loaded most of the iXP in the first fight, so farming it is efficient. I have 11 50s to unlock this on, and about half of them have all the iSalvage they need to craft at least one T4 Hybrid, because I was running iTrials on them after they were "incarnated out" to get Catalysts.
I want to jump on the frequent Magisterium gravy train while it's still running hot and heavy and unlock Hybrid for as many of my 50s as fast as I can, because I can then craft the powers with rewards from anything, Magisterium or not. It just makes sense if I'm concerned with efficiency. If we had the Magisterium and another way to unlock it, if the Magisterium was the only one that was frontloaded, I'm certain some folks would farm it just the same.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
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If the last time around is any indication? Roughly two months after the very thought of running Magisterium again causes me to cry and/or vomit uncontrollably.|
Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
When will this change?
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Nah, more realistically, I think I will just be abstaining from Hybrid for a while with all but 1-2 characters. I like trials, really I do, but I like them in moderation. Running Magisterium forty times, plus another five for each future 50, is way past the threshold where I can enjoy it.
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Originally Posted by Derangedpolygot
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Personal enjoyment of individual things, in this case a new trial in the game, is subjective. So every time you correct someone on their personal feelings about something, you just look stupid.
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In between LFG/Queue failures yesterday, I unlocked Hybrid on 3 of my Incarnates. All on farm teams.|
Originally Posted by Darth_Khasei
We already tried to explain this issue to the devs and were basically told to "POUND SAND". So we have what we have...ain't it grand?
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I've not even SEEN Tyrant yet. Rather frustrating.
It seems everyone just farms the Mag and once they have unlocked Hybrid they go run BAF or SLAMs to get components.
Surely the devs could have seen this coming?
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Citation needed.
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I thought I made enough a stink about "things" in beta, as did a -few- others.
On that note, Iv'e heard quite a bit of uh... let's call it "discussion" ... yeah... discussion... about hybrid, the path to unlock it, the cloggle, and the goosh goosh.
Iv'e found myself in conversations that lead to: "Oh no, you forfeit your right to complain about this because you weren't in beta, you weren't there posting feedback, testing changes, taking fire for your opinions or suffering consequences for standing your ground, so don't start complaining about the things you don't like"
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
Because of the weeping over new currencies, they avoided the obvious route of making Hybrid craftable only with a new type of salvage from the Magisterium reward table
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You assume entirely too much.
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Originally Posted by UberGuy
People declared people would and/or planned to farm the 250 IDF for Hybrid XP in the first day it was available on VIP beta, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was mentioned in closed beta.
The devs basically wanted a gate on this. Their choices were, broadly, something like this or new incarnate salvage. They listened to us on iSalvage (various folks regularly complain about the different types of salvage), so we got something like this. I expect that we'll eventually get a solo path that unlocks this. Heaven only knows when that'll be, but as an addendum to this issue seems unlikely though not completely impossible. (I did see above though that we have an expectation already set that it won't be this issue.) You have to bear in mind that not everyone farming this is farming it because they hate the trial or are already sick of it or things like that. I've farmed the trial some tonight, and I'm in none of those states. For better or worse, they front-loaded most of the iXP in the first fight, so farming it is efficient. I have 11 50s to unlock this on, and about half of them have all the iSalvage they need to craft at least one T4 Hybrid, because I was running iTrials on them after they were "incarnated out" to get Catalysts. I want to jump on the frequent Magisterium gravy train while it's still running hot and heavy and unlock Hybrid for as many of my 50s as fast as I can, because I can then craft the powers with rewards from anything, Magisterium or not. It just makes sense if I'm concerned with efficiency. If we had the Magisterium and another way to unlock it, if the Magisterium was the only one that was frontloaded, I'm certain some folks would farm it just the same. |
I didn't pay too much attention to any rewards that were coming from the Olympian Guard during the Tyrant fight. Although they seemed to drop in con level (from red to triple-gray) was there enough iXP there to warrant farming that portion of the trial?
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It's day one, and already, players are farming the Magisterium: Defeating 250 IDF, quitting the trial, and repeating, because there is no other way besides Magisterium to earn Hybrid.
We have aberrant game-play rather than a feasible means of unlocking the new slot. We need some other means. We have scads of trials that are now obsolete, because they won't grants any of the new iXP.
When will this change?
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