Enhancement Proc Changes

I do see the objection to making the PPM mechanic obey buffs.

Consider that the people who care about the mechanics of this the most are, in my opinion, extremely likely to already have single-target attack chains that do not vary when they gain more recharge. Once you have enough attacks and recharge to maintain a seamless attack chain, I doubt most players change up that attack chain on the fly in relation to buffs.

If you receive buffs, and they either do not change your optimal chain or you do not change your chain when they could, you simply lose DPS if your PPM rate adjusts to the higher recharge, even though that recharge does nothing to improve the DPS of your "base" attack chain. This isn't very appealing to me, certainly.

Edit: Scooped while typing.

Edit2: And yeah, having lots of global recharge for other powers decrease your PPM rating is also very sucky. The more I think about this, the more I would prefer lower, but static PPM rates, plus a floor.

This is kind of a turd sandwich. Ditch the whole "based on modified recharge" thing. It's leaving a bad taste in my mouth.

But.. I guess maybe I misunderstood what is changing.


Flat% procs are being replaced by PPM procs for all but 120s, correct?


If so, I don't think they would penalize someone who is already using a proc at the flat% with the possiblility of decreased performance. That would be just plain silly.

That said, it seems all benefit for the majority of folks, a non factor for most of the rest and flame on my game is broke now for.. wait how is it worse if it's at least the same?

To clarify:

Are these changes only on chance-to-X procs, or are they also on stuff like Kismet +6% and such which currently have a 100% chance to proc regardless of recharge rate?

Speaking of number crunching, point #4 explicitly states they'll be upping the procs per minute. We should probably wait until we actually get the numbers before all the gloom and doom and kneejerking sets in.

And Issue 24. I'm guessing 23 is right around the corner >>

Hmm not sure how I feel about this...


I'm not entirely up to date on the PPM, I know how the chances work for Single Target powers, but how do they work in AoE powers right now on Live? are they modified by the target cap like the ATO procs?

Synapse, thank you for posting this. It's not the exact solution I personally prefer (and it's still 2 issues away, so it's probably still subject to change somewhat), but I am glad to see that my and others' concerns from this morning when Hecatomb went live with no comment on this issue have already been addressed.

Here's another use case where making the PPM based on actual recharge seems to create what I think are undesirable side-effects.

Imagine you have two Scrappers, one DB/WP and one DB/Regen.

DB can get a seamless attack chain that's pretty respectable at fairly low levels of global recharge. WP has one power that benefits from +recharge - it's self-rez. So basically the DB/WP can get enough recharge for their DB chain and not worry about more.

Regen benefits significantly from very high levels of global recharge, and it's quite reasonable to build Regen for more global recharge than is needed for the basic seamless DB attack chain.

So, built in ways that make sense for their primary/secondary, and using the same attack chain, the same procs in the DB/Regen's attacks would activate less often than those in the DB/WP's, simply because the DB/Regen built in a way that is optimized for their secondary.

That really feels wrong to me.