Enhancement Proc Changes

Hi All,

I wanted to reach out to you all to let you know that we're aware of your concerns regarding procs per minute versus IO static proc chances. In some situations the procs per minutes on store bought enhancements (SBEs) are superior to those in IOs. I've read through your feedback and understand your concerns. We have a course of action we'd like to take for Issue 24. The changes we're going with are:

1) All IO procs will have their flat percentage chance to trigger updated to use Procs Per Minute.
2) Proc chance will cap at 90%. This means that there is always a small chance for the proc to not trigger even if slotted into a power that would previously guarantee a proc.
3) Procs Per Minute will use modified recharge instead of base recharge. The reason for this is that the whole idea of Procs Per Minute goes right out the window when we keep the base recharge even though that value can be dramatically altered.
4) To compensate for this, the Procs Per Minute on all enhancements will be increased.

The goals of this change would be to create a strong level of parity between IOs and Store Bought Enhancements (in fact they'll be identical proc wise) and reduce the impact that the initial implementation of the PPM mechanic had on gameplay. Your feedback is very important to us so I wanted to see how the community feels about these potential changes.

I think it's important to stress that the overall impact to gameplay this will have on existing PPM enhancements will be small. That said players will notice a small performance hit at very high levels of recharge. The balancing point for the increased procs per minute rates will be based upon a reasonable level of recharge. That amount will likely change through beta testing. You'll all have a chance to play test this on the beta servers in the not so distant future.

Best Regards,
Phil "Synapse" Zeleski

How do PPM procs work in aoe powers? Do they only have a chance to fire on one target in the time window? If so wouldn't this be a colossal nerf to procs ?

Leveling the playing field is quite fine with me.

I'm worried that this change will be a major nerf to some popular slottings: Proctrops (Caltrops slotted with a large number of procs -- how is the PPM rate calculated for a long-duration damage patch?), Force Feedback +recharge in Footstomp or Energy Blast, the pet buildup proc in Assault Bot, and the Achilles' Heel proc in AoE defense debuffs.

It makes sense. Having Procs Per Minute work on the base recharge rather than the actual recharge value being used never made much sense to me. I guess it all depends on how much the PPM values are going to be upped.

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Originally Posted by Draeth Darkstar I can't say I like this - I thought it was an interesting feature that, in especially long recharge+activation powers, you could turn a proc into a reliable component of an ability. Making them more random just for the sake of it isn't really good direction, in my opinion, especially at a 90% cap - then it just feels like a penalty from player perspective when it doesn't occur, rather than a bonus when it does. Conversely, I do think there should be a floor to the chance to proc in any given power of no less than the current flat rate of each proc (so no matter how short a recharge+activation time, say, a melee attack has, Touch of Death would never fall below a 15% proc chance, for example).

Agreed 100%.

The first thing I thought of when I read the changes was how this would change the Stalker ATO Proc, which was stated to be WAI going off 100% in Assassin Strike. I don't think that should change.

1, 3 & 4 are fine by me but I don't like #2.

There is already a penalty for using the procs on long recharge powers because a 100% proc still fires less often for longer recharge. We don't need 90% cap added to that.

I really like these changes. I was on the point of posting a thread about how broken some of the SB ones are in pvp zones.
Glad to see you posting this..but..PLEASE please consider doing more than just tucking it away in the forums? Seriously..not everyone reads this, or even the patch notes. If there is not something like a pop up when you log in, with a quick run down of how all procs are being tweaked..

Yay!

...followed by hmmmm.

I am pleased by this in general, but concerned about some of the specifics.

In particular, in order to make the Performance Shifter PPM proc have sensible performance in powers like Stamina or Quick Recovery, you had to give it a quite low PPM rate. While I have no issue with its adjusted performance in Stamina, it would be extremely poor in click powers.

Please consider this in the new design - clicks and auto/toggle powers may need different behavior. Otherwise, you're going to have a terrible time balancing things like the Ragnarok damage proc between slotting in click attacks or in something like a damage aura.

Dont like it one bit.... PPMs should be discarded altogether. my perf shifters, numinas, regen tissues, and miracles will be severely adversely effected and my planning for proc-ing in AoEs is tough already... this will just make it way more complicated than it needs to be.

Let me repeat: PPM is a horrible idea and should be discarded entirely.

Caveat: I'm willing to admit I don't understand the whole thing, please inform me if I'm missing details.

Oh..good point! How does this work on numi/miacles in Health? Do they suddenly change? Or because they last 120 secs, will we see next to know difference, since they will be checking every 10 secs anyway?