Enhancement Proc Changes

No, fast attacks don't get penalized. They get a lower proc chance, because they are faster. But you can use them more often, because they are faster. So you get roughly the same number of procs over time, regardless of the speed of the power it's slotted in.

The whole point of PPM is that neither fast nor slow powers are particularly better just for being fast or slow. The only thing getting penalized by the i24 changes is slotting a lot of recharge. Which will still be awesomely beneficial, just slightly less awesomely beneficial than it is now.

If it is true, as I saw someone claim once, that Titan Weapons uses its slow animation times for proc chance calculations, even during Momentum, then that would give most of its attacks an extra ~1s of cycle time, which is beneficial, but not enormously so - a few percentage points difference, for most procs, and none at all for the powers TW spams most (FT, WS).

Compared to the current crafted versions, PPM procs are almost universally equivalent or better. In the few cases where they are not, you can usually still turn it into a net buff by moving the proc to a different power. If you're using IOs, you're not getting nerfed, not at all. You might have to alter some build decisions if you want to take full advantage of the changes, but even without that it is definitely not a nerf, as you will see if you run the numbers.

Proc chances are based on (recharge + cast), not just recharge. So your 10-second attacks have 12-second cycle times, for a 1-in-5 proc chance; when slotted, they have 7-second cycle times, for a proc chance slightly above 1 in 10.

But moreover, I'm not talking about some power unslotted vs the same power slotted. Slotting recharge quite obviously reduces proc chance, and if you slot more recharge but do not get to use the power proportionally more often, the proc will of course be worse off. I'm talking about comparing two different powers: "Should I put the Hecatomb proc in Knockout Blow or Haymaker?". And the answer is simply "it depends". The faster power is not necessarily a better nor worse place for the proc - that's the entire point of PPM. In practice, most attack chains have a certain power's recharge as the limiting factor, and the other powers fit around that; usually, but not always, this limiting factor is a hard-hitting long-recharge attack. When you get to talking about specific attack chains, then you can begin to definitively say whether a certain power is a better or worse place than another power for any given proc, but this will depend on the specific attack chain and slotting, not just which attack has the longer animation.

I'm against using current recharge of the power in this calculation as well. This leads to all sorts of strange anomalies, such as powers that debuff recharge having no effect on part of you attack, and so on.

I think a standard amount of +recharge should be assumed (say +150%) for all powers at all times, and PPM rates calculated based upon that.

So random thought, how does the purple immob proc for chance to hold effect single target and aoe immobs now?

So how would Chance for Buildup in Focus Accuracy work compared to placing it in buildup? How does PPM work in toggles?

Earlier post about area factor:

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Originally Posted by Hopeling Areafactor is given by a super-ugly formula: 1+(0.75*(RADIUS/5))-(((0.011*(RADIUS/6))*(360-ARC))/5) This is frankly kinda hard to understand by looking at it, but it can be simplified (in the algebraic sense, it's still accurate) to: 1+radius*(11*arc+540)/30000 ...which is nicer to look at, because you can more clearly see that the areafactor starts at 1, and increases for larger arcs and radii. For circular attacks, the arc is 360, and the formula further simplifies to: 1+radius*.15

Ah, okay, those are questions and concerns specific enough to address

The changes don't make procs less worthwhile as you add more recharge. The thing is, under the current system, fast recharge makes procs dramatically better. The changes just make it less dramatically better. The changes mean that *slotted* recharge will leave your procs roughly the same as they were in the first place, and global recharge will still make the procs better. Slotting more recharge reduces the proc chance, as a percentage, but the power recharges faster and can thus be used more often, so it will still go off roughly as often overall. (You can game the system a little bit on this, by slotting as little recharge as possible in your procced-out powers and relying on global recharge bonuses, but in most cases this doesn't make a huge difference.)

You suggested increasing the % chance based on recharge, but that IS what the PPM system does. PPM is not a set number of procs per minute, nor is it an upper limit, or any such thing. It's just an average. A 3 PPM proc could go off ten times in any given 60-second period, or it could go off zero times, or whatever other number. But on average, it will go off three times; more than that, actually, if you have global recharge bonuses.

Making procs less effective (per target) in AoE powers than in single-target powers is consistent with the design of AoE powers in general, which is that they are less effective per target, but make up for it by hitting multiple targets. (A decent case might be made that the proc's effect should be reduced by the power's areafactor, rather than the proc chance, but that probably has additional technical difficulties and definitely doesn't work as well for procs that do things other than dealing damage. But that's mostly academic at this point.)

Will all of this change build strategies and alter the build metagame? To some degree, yes. But honestly, most builds that I see now don't stress out a lot over optimizing their use of procs, and I doubt that will change dramatically post-i24. A Hecatomb proc will still be awesome, but the optimal place for it will be Haymaker or Knockout Blow, rather than Jab. And in a large majority of cases, even if you don't go out of your way to game the system, you'll still be at least as well off as you are under the pre-i24 rules.

But your procs are already not going off as often as possible, if you don't use the power as often as possible. That has little to do with the i24 changes.

The real question is "does the PPM system give me an equal or better proc chance than the current flat 20%?" (Or whatever other number, as appropriate to the proc.) And in most cases, the answer is either "yes", or "yes, if you move it to a different power". For some things (huge fast-recharging AoEs like Fire Cages) it's a nerf, for many things it's a buff, in some cases a huge one (Gaussian's proc, anything resembling a nuke, mininuke, or telenuke, long-recharge AoE control powers, many single-target attacks). Procs in Hot Feet will be marginally worse (20% -> 18%); procs in Choking Cloud will be marginally better (20% -> 22%). Overall, odds are pretty good that you won't even notice the changes unless you're specifically watching for the difference, and odds are also pretty good that you can turn it into a significant net buff by respeccing for i24-optimization rather than i23-optimization. And frankly, with the new IO sets in i24 and the set bonus changes and the second round of ATOs, odds are pretty good that you'd want to respec anyway.

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