Enhancement Proc Changes

I'm not liking this, just fix the ATO's, leave the rest of the IO Procs alone, it's going to really screw up melee builds or powers with fast recharge rates.

Has there been any update yet as to when we can expect the changes to crafted IO procs to go live and if there has been any change from what Synapse laid out in his original post?

Or did I somehow miss this with the release of I23?

I am extremely late to this thread because I completely missed it. So what is the final outcome on this ppm business? I am specifically talking about stuff like numina's, miracle's and the stalker proc. Those are really the only ones I go for. On my stalkers I planned on going with a recharge alpha slot and going with a super high recharge build. Will I still be able to keep my perma-build up on my kin/wp stalker?

I've been a vet for 8yrs... I've never posted on this forum 'til today. Pure and simple your ruining the game. If you make procs similar or screw with it you're disrupting the game dynamics. This in turn is confirming to me this game is going downhill and maybe time for me to move on. Pure and simple you don't want to mess with certain gameplay. Making similar to store bought enhancements leads to the question, why pay for my account if I don't have an edge in enhancements over free players. If the system is so important to you, eliminate all IO's and procs then we can let this game die in peace. I understand minor changes but this will mess up a lot of builders that use procs. In short, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

R.I.P. CoH I guess I have to leave you some time.

This is really going to screw with powersets that require lots of recharge...like regen...

As if not having a damage aura wasn't enough to fall behind the Dark Armor and Fire Aura builds of the world for damage output (not that I mind it...but...), now when you roll up a /regen toon and take spiritual or agility alpha...you're essentially getting a damage slap in the face to keep survivability up...I don't mind all other points of the new "solution" but Alpha slots should not nerf your proc damage...or cap the recharge from enhancements affecting the diminishing returns at 100% and be done with it...anything more than that is essentially trivial anyway on most powers, they just end up being a side effect.

So wait, I am going to be punished for having to much recharge in my attacks? Say I have enhanced recharge to 99% and agility t4 pushes me past 100....I get slapped for it? I think is be ok with this more if incarnate enhanced recharge didnt effect this. Then again I could very likely have a bad grasp of what is really being proposed.

I personally won't mind if PVP and Purple procs are not affected.


**Edit** Synapse, I like you and all, Probably my favorite next to our old friend BaB. But this sounds like something Emmert would do(I went there.)

If you nerf the ones that cost hundreds of millions of inf. People tend to get angry. They put a good amount of time in getting those, And if they don't farm, even more time. From my perspective, The game only lasted this long because they gave us many things we wanted (Ocassional nerf or two, Lets ignore i13.)

Like i said, i don't care if it leaves purples and pvp enchancements alone, But this is really going to eff with my plant/fire/fire's carrions regardless.


Double edit**: Then again, I can be a bit of an idiot when it comes to predicting the future, So maybe.

MAAAAAAAAAAYBE this will be a buff in some form. I don't know. Someone chime in?

Min-maxers live on the upper edge of performance. This is, by definition, the place where things are most likely to be adjusted downwards.

But even this isn't really a straight nerf - certainly builds will need to be altered to take advantage of it, but that's happened many, many times over the years. Other than the procs that are already PPM, a huge number of powers are going to end up with higher (sometimes MUCH higher) benefit from procs than they have now, recharge toxicity and all. Even an only-moderately-slow power like, say, Blaze, even with 120% slotted recharge (4.55s) thanks to a Spiritual Core Paragon, is going to end up with a (1+4.55)*3.75/60=.347 = 34.7% chance from procs that currently have a 20% chance, and a (1+4.55)*5.625/60=.52 = 52% chance from procs that are currently 33%.

What a bloated and convoluted mess.. I can't think of another instance in this game where the math is so whacked out..

Regardless, can anyone clue me in on what changes I should expect for stuff like Radiation Blast AoEs? Mainly Irradiate and Neutron Bomb.

Since AoE size diminishes proc chances, and these are quite large AoEs, so I have no idea what to expect..

You have to wonder if anyone from Paragon Studios is even reading/cares about this thread anymore?