Enhancement Proc Changes

Areafactor is given by a super-ugly formula:
1+(0.75*(RADIUS/5))-(((0.011*(RADIUS/6))*(360-ARC))/5)
This is frankly kinda hard to understand by looking at it, but it can be simplified (in the algebraic sense, it's still accurate) to:
1+radius*(11*arc+540)/30000
...which is nicer to look at, because you can more clearly see that the areafactor starts at 1, and increases for larger arcs and radii. For circular attacks, like the two you named, the arc is 360, and the formula further simplifies to:
1+radius*.15

In this thread I've gone through several times showing that the only things getting nerfed are super-fast cycling powers like Neutrino Bolt, Flares or Shadow Punch, and even those powers mostly only if you slotted purple procs in them. If you have even purple procs slotted in powers with approximately 5s cycle times or longer (which means 4s recharge and around 1s activation times (which, you know, is a huge fraction of powers in the game, even across Tier 1 attacks), you probably come out right where you were or slightly ahead. Anything longer than that comes out ahead. Powers like Follow Up? Freezing Ray? Way, way ahead.

Yes, there are powers that having procs in will be nerfed. Yes, smart people put existing procs in them because they were the best place to put them today. Things change. But guess what? All the other powers in your build will be better places to slot procs.

The one thing I don't like about the change is what happens with Alphas like Spiritual, but the claim "it doesn't make sense" is ridiculous. It's slotted recharge - that's what it does for powers. I get that it's annoying that it counts against procs in powers that may well not be benefiting from the added recharge, but it "makes sense" because it's like slotting more recharge in every power.

But, man, stop freaking whining. It's one thing to state your dislike, it's another to run around saying "you don't understand" and "why are they nerfing us?" If your build gets hit, I'm sorry. Some of mine are. But the new system makes sense for letting procs be useful in places they never were before, at the cost that some of the old places they were extremely useful won't be so hot. Try adjusting sometime.

I guess this destroys buzzsaw builds?

Arcanatime effectively increases the activation time of attacks, and the increase is the same for fast- and slow-activating attacks, which means the DPA of fast powers is more significantly affected (1 -> 1.188s is a 16% DPS decrease; 2.33 -> 2.508 is a 7% decrease). So basically, fast powers aren't as fast as they might appear, which hurts the "buzzsaw" strategy of using fast powers to get a lot of procs.

Some builds still make good use of procs in fast powers (Gambler's Cut is currently a great place for a Hecatomb or Achilles proc, for example), but a build that focuses specifically on doing that generally ends up demonstrably worse than a similar build using a more normal chain, even under the current mechanics.

The correct and adjusted proc rate better be available for viewing before IO slotting. I don't want to plug in and out procs because they've screwed with the system to the point where you need to do math on paper to figure your correct PPM.

This is a make or break issue for me.

Can I get some help on how this affects force feedback in stomp with 131.13 recharge enhancement?

Sure. So, Foot Stomp has a radius of 15, and a 360-degree arc, so by the formula I posted above, its areafactor is 1+15*.15=3.25.
And with 131.13% slotted enhancement, its recharge is 20/(1+1.3113)=8.65 seconds.
Its activation time is 2.1 seconds.
And the attuned Force Feedback proc on beta currently is 1.5 PPM, which will become 1.875 come i24.
So, given the i24 proc chance formula:
PPM*(modified recharge + activation)/(60*areafactor)
and plugging in our numbers:
1.875*(8.65+2.1)/(60*3.25) = .1033 = 10.33%
...which is almost unchanged from its current value. You basically can't get more recharge enhancement in the power than you already have, so in Foot Stomp the chance will never be worse than this, but the chance would be higher if you had less recharge. 95% slotted recharge would be ~12%, 60% slotted recharge would be ~14%, 33% slotted recharge would be ~16.5%.

It's not posting to shoot down your opinion of the change. There are things I don't like about the change, so we're in at least partial agreement. What I object to, and will post in objection to when ever I feel like, is the "color" you (and some others) apply to your posts, which you use to portray you as some poor souls being victimized by senseless actions on the parts of the devs. That's the part that I consider to be emitted from a posterior orifice. That's not an opinion about the change. That's a (baseless) opinion about the devs' motivations in making it.

Have you played a tank lately ? Seriously with all the new incarnate trials and new buffs and ato Combinations. Scraps and Brutes even Stalkers can take alpha aggro now. The game has become damage and speed based with 30% thrown to tactics. Sad, really the team blend is off balance to a Huge degree and you guys are complaining about this.

Stalkers? Ha! A decent blaster can take alphas when they want to.

But seriously, proc mechanics are almost totally unrelated to team roles. I'm a little puzzled why you're even bringing it up here. I feel pretty confident that the average poster in this thread can read and reply to more than one thread per month, and so discussing this has no impact at all on our ability to also think about teams, archetype roles, and other unrelated topics.

To clear up things for me...
Is this just store bought ones or all of them :/ even the global recharge in luck of the gamblers?? I'm kinda confused

If it's a proc with a <100% chance, it will become PPM. Luck of the Gamblers are not procs, so they will not be affected, and their bonus is global recharge, while proc chances are only altered by slotted recharge, so that will also not affect anything.

The crafted procs becoming PPM will be a decent-to-awesome buff for a lot of procs/powers, roughly break even in a lot of others, and a moderate nerf to a few powers that are currently favorites for procs (for instance, Achilles Heel in Neutrino Bolt). With possibly some minor tweaks (moving procs to more favorable powers), most builds will probably end up at least as well off as they were before in this. I've illustrated a few examples of this in the last couple pages, but if you have some specifically that you're wondering about and aren't sure how to do the math, I can go through it for you.

Procs that are already PPM (ATOs, Paragon Market versions of procs) are more of a mixed bag, and will no longer so strongly favor being placed in a slow power and then cranking your recharge as high as possible.

So, for example: the Stalker proc is currently 4 PPM. The i24 changes will increase that by 25%, to 5 PPM. 1k Cuts has an areafactor of 1.51. Its base recharge is 15 seconds, and its activation time is 3.3 seconds. If you slot it with 95% recharge (ED-capped), its proc chance will be 5*(3.3+15/1.95)/(60*1.51) = .61 = 61%. That increases to 76% for the Superior version, and will also be somewhat higher if the power is slotted with less recharge. By comparison, its current proc chance is 4*(3.3+15)/(60*1.51) = 81%, and 100% for the Superior version. So, it's a difference, but not a dramatic one.

You lost me with the figures.... Is it a Good or bad thing to keep the stalker ATO set in thousand cuts or no?

In 1k Cuts, the proc chance will probably be slightly lower after the changes. Exactly how much lower depends on how much recharge is slotted in the power, so you tell me.

Assassin Strike has the same base recharge as 1k Cuts, a longer activation time, and is not AoE, so the proc would have a better proc chance there, but whether that's worth moving it or not is up to you.