Inf Supply: Idle Speculation

So does anyone want to take a wild guess at what converters (and the sales volume of really expensive things therefrom) have done to the inf supply?

My guess is this:

About a hundred people made about a hundred billion each
About a thousand people made about ten billion each

Total: about twenty trillion changed hands, two trillion burnt.

Skilled people made 50 million per converter; if we assume a learning curve and say 20 million per converter, that's on the order of 100,000 converters used at a quarter million each, 25 billion burnt on those.
Let's say 10% of those converters come from 1000 hero merits, and half those hero merits are made from reward merits: 500 hero merits at 20 million each = 10 billion burnt on those.

OK, those are relatively trivial sums next to the market fees, but I didn't know that till I did the math.

so 2 trillion inf out of maybe 100 trillion in game. Does that number seem reasonable?

I can say I made around 80billion INF and rising... slowly now.

Not sure how many people made billions and billions.

I had around 40 toons over 1500 Reward merits, and a lot and a lot of -1000merit toons.

Also I did a lot of the L1 PB trick, some say exploit...

On my main toon for trials I've managed to hoard up to 4000astral merits and 267 Emp Merits.

I'm too lazy to know how much I actually burned. But the 80billion INF is the final I've made atm.

Also burned thru my 8bins of pvp IOs, down to flipping/converting pvp IOs. Managed to make 5billion(make that 4billion after my LOLextra 0 curse) in 3days.

Editting: Math in progress....
40toons x1500merits / 10 x 250,000 = 1.5bill
**guessing my average merits on a toon is around 450**
35x450/10x250,000= 394mill

About 4 or 5 hours creating/deleting toons for the vet reward merits about 25converts a hour x 4hrs = 225mill?

Now for the astrals..
4000/3 = 1,332 purchases x 500,000= 666mill

and emps.
267 x 1.25 = 333.75mill

and 3 characters used A-Merits already, 7.5mill

I am around 4billion for purchasing 11,704(-100 from L1 trick) converters. Not so sure about WW fees.

Seems like decent assumptions. There's also a ton of influence melted from the massive amount of WW fees collected as stuff changed hands. As near as I can tell, I did about 160B worth of WW business as either a buyer or a seller, on my way to profit about 250B worth of stuff. (About 30B liquid, the rest as a huge stash of stuff I'm keeping to use that I didn't have before.)

If you made 80 billion you burnt about 9 billion in fees, assuming you didn't spend much on buying stuff to convert.

I'm in the "about ten billion" camp myself.

I didn't have any PvP IOs or recipes stashed up before converters went live. I had several toons that were needing kin combats and reactive armors, I (suppose foolishly) used my reward merits for those first.

But, even still, after the supply for my toons was taken care of, I still managed to make over 20 billion. (as well as have a healthy stash of panacea sets, glad procs and Shield Wall procs.)

I've probably gone up a bit more than 20B liquid, but I've also been slotting and storing purples at about 5 times my normal rate. And I had almost nothing stored before the converters hit, partly because I was lazy, and partly it was too good to be true so I didn't invest as heavily as I should have.

So my churn rate since converters has been *huge*. If you count the market fees on the crap purples I'm buying, plus the fees on the converted purples that I'm selling, I've got a pretty steady bonfire going right now. (I've also got a pyre set up on my private SG that I finally decided that I needed to store all the fancy purples. Over a million prestige and counting.)

When people count what they made is it in liquid form?

cause if you count whats in bins i wouldnt know where to even begin.

My idle speculation of INF supply pretty much begins and ends with my own characters. The same 40ish billion in liquid INF I was doing nothing with a few weeks ago is the same 40ish billion in liquid INF I still have today. I think it's cool the Converters came along to shake things up but I'm not here primarily to play "City of Wall Street" so I'm content to just let the Converters generally lower the prices on most of the most expensive things and move forward from there.

The other side of the coin would be to ask how much influence did converters release back into circulation?

Over the years the price of Purples and PvP recipes has risen. Many people put low ball bids in hoping to get them, but the market didn't dip down to fill those bids.

Others stored tens of billions of influence in low ball bids thinking that there was no way a PvP +Def could ever drop to a billion.

More people have left the game then are currently subscribed and at least some of them left these "Unfillable" bids effectively locking all of this influence out of circulation. That is until converters came along.

We know of at least one person who still plays who accidentally injected 34 billion influence onto the market in this way.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=286373


So how many billions have been released into circulation due to Converters allowing "unfillable" bids to be filled?

One way we might get some insight (or not) is if anyone has data on how many bids were pending for the PvP +def one hour before converters went live and the hours and days since.

Inf Supply's Idle Speculation is ok, but I much prefer Making Procs Out of Nothing At All.

I'm using 100T because, while there could well be more, I don't want to go too far above the ArcanaEstimate. I'm a wimp like that.

I got to my 100x100B, 1000x10B estimates through much, much less scientific means than you might imagine. . . and I'm expecting a lot more flow this weekend.

(There's also been a bloody battle on Exalted for #1-3 as well as Slax dumping 128 billion inf into prestige on Victory. Hey, every half-trillion counts. )

Well. Let's see if we can get the bank back together.

I wonder if the Devs know how much INF is in the game?

When people make billions and billions in this game... I have to wonder as to why? What could you possibly do with all that? I think I have maybe 3 billion across all of my characters, and it feels to me like I am unimaginably wealthy. That amount will last me for a very long time. I would likely start giving it away if I had an order of magnitude more than that.

Well, a month or two ago the answer to "What do you do with billions and billions of inf?" was "you buy one or two individual IO's. " Now you fill out an entire build for that kind of inf.

Or,yeah, you burn it to keep warm, that can happen as well.

I've never been able to really get a grip on the market - its just a bit beyond me in terms of getting the best prices and finding those lowball bids for rare salvage

I've always found it easier to make billions off AE rolls although it is somewhat more labour intensive than marketeering :s

I pile mine up and gawk at it.

Seriously, my billions fund any characters I start or new things I want to buy, which sometimes does add to a few billion. It's "nice" to know that there's nothing a new character might need that I will have to struggle to get. But, having many, many billions is excessive for that too. So, I also fund my supergroups prestige and burn inf into prestige for other groups I feel have good concepts. So why keep going? Well that's a mater of "score" in the market mini-game. Once a month, I run through all my characters and total up their actually liquid assets - cash on hand and WW bids which could be cancelled and redeemed for full value. I don't plan to ever spend most of it, and it's not anything like the ultra-rich in this game, but it shows me I can do it.

A while back Cathulu asked: