Inf Supply: Idle Speculation

Try significantly harder than that.

Why is there always animosity towards A_F ? Basically as I see it, and I'm quite versed in the market and its many joys, he usually makes correct points.

I definitely respect Arcan's # crunching.

I see on these forums the "cliche formation" of everyone who wants to "feel / think" the same way about the market, when in fact, what they want to believe is not necessarily true.

I'm prob the richest roller in game, and I freely admit that the only way I got there was working the market so hard. And you better believe LOTS of other players were paying amounts I "made" them pay. I made the market do things it would NOT have done otherwise. As I KNOW many of you have. Its generally a straight forward process to do it.

So why is it always when someone like A_F pops up and points out the obvious most of you have a conniption and come up with all kinds of rationalizing about why he's wrong. When in fact the basic premise of the statements is correct ?

The only two solid conclusions Ive come up with are that 1) Marketeers want to ease / dispel the thinking they manipulate a lot of niches to keep a nerf from swinging our way somehow ? .. and 2) They really dont realize the extent to which market manipulation can be tremendously effective when done right ?

Is there a reason why I should be pretending I'm not really able to manipulate the market too ? Should I be saying "my profits are all an illusion...these are not the IO's you are looking for..." ?

Oh just an addendum to my post. Im not saying I want to see the same things A_F wants to see. In fact I like my toys and my ability to control certain toys, and generate delicious amounts of influence via marketing.

All I'm saying is he makes correct points generally, yet I see the massive backlash of disbelief / denial to almost everything he states.

As for the thread I realize I went a bit off topic getting caught up in the last couple pages of "debate", lol. Ooops.

MeanNVicious: I've made two hundred billion provable inf* using nothing more than people's desire for convenience and/or unwillingness to plan a few days ahead and/or buy five pieces of salvage and find a crafting station. Have your grandiose mind-control schemes really gotten you that much more?

I mean, really, when you list something for 30 million, it doesn't instasell, and it sells for 45 million overnight... people are pretty much working to give you their inf. It's hard to take too much credit for evil genius in a situation like that.

Speaking of which: Thanks to the person who slipped a zero and bought a 30 million inf item for 120 million!

* I have the prestige scores to prove it.

Milady's you are missing a fabulous career in comedy, its just a shame you don't understand how hilarious you can be.

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight This.... Also of note. I am approaching 4 billion in profit for sales of level 30-40 COMMON IOs since I9. That's just having one of my crafters buy salvage, create common IOs I have memorized with my portable crafting table, and listing them at salvage cost + my crafting cost + market fees + 10% for my own profit. A matter of a couple of minutes of my time a couple times a day. This is still less than what it would have cost someone who doesn't have any common recipes memorized to have gone to a University with the proper salvage and created it for themselves.

OMG I am really impressed you made 4 billion, crafting at least 4 THOUSAND IOS AND LIKELY MORE THAN 12 THOUSAND. Do you have terminal OCD ? If I am going to craft that many IOs I expect to make at least 80 to 120 billion. What really gets me isn't just that you are doing it wrong, you are bragging about it and advising other people to do the same. That is a complete mindblower, I nearly spluttered my coffee onto the screen when I read it. I mean really 4 billion over what 4 years ?? I make that in a good day.

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Even a stopped clock is right twice a day but it is demonstrably wrong all the rest of the time. A_F may have the occasional fact correct but he leaves out intermediate information, speculates without any basis for those speculations, leaves out data that does not support his position, infers that known outliers are actually common place and can be taken as the norm, and states his own personal theories as fact which coincidentally runs counter to information that many of us here in the market forum have tested empirically and/or scientifically.

Well that is usually because I am laughing a little too hard to take these things seriously.

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Originally Posted by Miladys_Knight As has been pointed out to you multiple times before, you don't need "loot" at all to play this game. All the freebie accounts are doing without just fine and judging from the Justice server where I spend most of my time there are a plethora of new freebies playing. Loot is entirely transparent to them and judging from the enjoyment I am seeing from them, not missed in the least, quite a bit like it was for me back in I8.

I mean if you are going to complain about people leaving out steps in their reasoning you really should start at home. Or do you consider yourself of such preeminence that because you say so is a valid argument. By the way I believe Arcanavile has the exclusive rights to "Because I say so" for city of heroes, be sure you got clearance to use it first.

Seriously if you want to compare accuracy of predictions of market behavior we can go down my list vs yours. Do you actually have any ?

We come to our next king of comedy in this thread here.

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Originally Posted by Fulmens Quote: Quote: This message is hidden because Another_Fan is on your ignore list. So relaxing.

Really I thought Sargeant Schultz was long gone. I know children play this game but usually they are smart enough not to brag about a lack of self control.

I can go on, we have in this thread the man who claims to have invented monopoly pricing. The man who invented the worst way to use the market I have ever heard of and goes around recommending it. People that can't begin to process how the market works but are for one reason or another are attracted to your cause. I'd go on more but I mean it might spoil your performance art.

I just want to say Ive read this whole thread and have absolutely no idea what any one side is arguing about....this quickly went from a theoretical discussion about approximating the amount of influence to a very personal series of attacks on both sides.

The lesson, as always; This is the internet, its serious business

--Frog

I agree that A_F often has a good point hidden somewhere in his posts, but they're easy to miss for two reasons. First, the nasty personal attacks tend to rapidly derail every thread into ugliness. NetherGoat takes some jabs at people, but with more wit and less vindictiveness. A_F seems to delight in the personal attacks both given and received, which is pretty much textbook troll.

Second, even when his mechanics are right, he often ascribes motives and attitudes to other people which are not accurate, especially not in the extreme black and white terms that he uses. Or at the very least not provable.

Personally, I think the market has a lot of gray areas, a lot of randomness, a lot of excess inf sloshing around and falling into people's pockets, but not very much evilness and not quite as much cleverness as a lot of other people suppose.