[SPOILERS] Issue 23-New iTrial!


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I PROFOUNDLY doubt they're going to delete the new zones or content from Going Rogue or our ability to roll Praetorians. I mean, we can still go to King's Row, Steel Canyon and Skyway, right?
I would imagine this is true, after all, I can't believe they would basically throw away all the incredible (and time-consuming to create) content from Praetoria just due to this iTrial, or just to throw it into Ouroboros.

What I expect would happen is for them to take the sort of approach they take to most level-based content, ie, assuming that it takes place chronologically in-character. Thus, you'd start your toons there, at level 20 shift to FW/Primal Earth, level to 50, go through the iTrials, do the new Tyrant trial, and at that point Praetoria is gone. From a RW perspective, it's no longer there, but toon-timeline wise it is until it isn't.

All that said, as a diehard Praetoria lover, I am very apprehensive about what I'm hearing about this trial and Praetoria (and am frustrated as heck that I can't view the preview until I get home... grr.)


 

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It's a good thing he wasn't surrounded by those Telepathists whose debuff lets rocks thrown by unpowered humans kill incarnates. Imagine Telepathists + Nuke given what a pebble can do under that debuff.


 

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It's a good thing he wasn't surrounded by those Telepathists whose debuff lets rocks thrown by unpowered humans kill incarnates. Imagine Telepathists + Nuke given what a pebble can do under that debuff.
We took down the Seer network in the MoM Trial - just like taking control of the Keyes Island reactors stripped his army of robots - by the time we corner him and the last of his loyalist thugs in Nova Praetoria, he's only got some of his IDF soldiers left, a handful of Olympian Guards, and the final 3 henchpeople we haven't defeated yet.
Since the BAF attack, we've been systematically degrading the loyalists' military capacity - that's why Tyrant went "nuclear" - he didn't have anything else left.


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It is implied more heavily that Tyrant dropped a nuke on you (could've been something else), but as far as killing off everyone it is a far stretch.
He used the power of Tartarus (aka Lord Recluse's power, which Praetorian Cole gained by killing Richter shortly after they gained their powers) to cause an explosion. As someone else put it, it's basically "Tartarus Judgement."

It wouldn't be an actual nuke. If you'll remember, in Praetoria, McArthur dropped a LOT of nukes post WWII, and stopping those is one of the reasons Cole came to power to begin with.


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I can think of two reasons.

1) In-Game Reason: Cole's Pride, as well as the Well. Cole may very well not wish to use such a power, because he feels, as Champion, he doesn't need to resort to such 'trickery'. He can simply rely on his overwhelming might and 'I am Good. I am Justice. You are Evil. You are Injustice!'. The Well simply wants the most powerful to protect it, thusly it wants both sides at full power.

2) Design Reason: Two different fights using the same gimmick is poor design.

True on both points...doesn't mean I can't "whine" a bit

The itrial just seems very "blah" to me (then again it could be like watching baseball on TV to me...BOOORING, but playing it is fun).....

Having the "ultimate" guy be easier than another "lieutenant" stinks to me that's all


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He used the power of Tartarus (aka Lord Recluse's power, which Praetorian Cole gained by killing Richter shortly after they gained their powers) to cause an explosion. As someone else put it, it's basically "Tartarus Judgement."

It wouldn't be an actual nuke. If you'll remember, in Praetoria, McArthur dropped a LOT of nukes post WWII, and stopping those is one of the reasons Cole came to power to begin with.
But it's given a very similar look and effect to a nuclear bomb - that's part of the irony - everything comes full circle - the nightmare of the loyalist dictatorship began with nuclear destruction, and it ends with something very similar.


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Having the "ultimate" guy be easier than another "lieutenant" stinks to me that's all
I think there was a bit of Dev magic involved in how easy he was. None of the incarnate trial tests have run like that, and that is with devs and some of the best players in the game. I don't see a few devs and press people who don't even know how to re-toggle flying through the trial w/o a bit of help.


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I'm watching the leak right now, and this is just... Painful. >.> You would think they would at least tell this guy how to turn his toggles on before the trial started.


 

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I'm watching the leak right now
It's not a leak - this was a scheduled reveal - the I23 overview page being put up yesterday was the leak


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I've watched five minutes of this after skipping ten, just watching this guy try and set up Ventrilo...when he should've worked out any technical issues before the start of the recording session....and then it's further compounded by his complete unfamiliarity with the game and apparent inability to stay with a raid group.

I'm really stunned that this is a video for a press event where the developer team can't be heard so they can sell this (being kind of the point) and that they have someone who isn't familiar with the game enough not to look foolish during the recording.

mmorpg needs to get their act together with this sort of thing...along with PS's marketing department. Looking this amateurish does not a sellable presentation make.



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I've watched five minutes of this after skipping ten, just watching this guy try and set up Ventrilo...when he should've worked out any technical issues before the start of the recording session....and then it's further compounded by his complete unfamiliarity with the game and apparent inability to stay with a raid group.

I'm really stunned that this is a video for a press event where the developer team can't be heard so they can sell this (being kind of the point) and that they have someone who isn't familiar with the game enough not to look foolish during the recording.

mmorpg needs to get their act together with this sort of thing...along with PS's marketing department. Looking this amateurish does not a sellable presentation make.



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Yeah, I would have loved to hear what the devs were saying, because the guy clearly was getting some things wrong trying to relate them second hand.

Also I'd like to know where this rumor about the i23 beta opening this week got started. Considering today is Thursday, and tomorrow is Good Friday, that seems not so likely. Could still open today, sure, but seems way too soon.


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Uh... the folks complaining about story DO realize the 'time passes as you level' conceit implicit in the plot, right? Some events are considered to be 'at all levels', yes, which complicates things - Dark Astoria is now Mot-infested, Galaxy City destroyed, etc - but in general the pattern holds. The levels you're in Praetoria are not the levels you are going to be doing this trial. Your background has not been invalidated. The Going Rogue expansion is not being retconned.

This is basically on the same level as meeting Penny Yin as a teenager at level 20, and then meeting her grown up in the later Who Will Die arcs.


 

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His reward table at the end... "Should I take the Incarnate Threads or the Super Inspirations?" lol'd


 

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Yeah, I would have loved to hear what the devs were saying, because the guy clearly was getting some things wrong trying to relate them second hand.

Also I'd like to know where this rumor about the i23 beta opening this week got started. Considering today is Thursday, and tomorrow is Good Friday, that seems not so likely. Could still open today, sure, but seems way too soon.


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Zwill said it in the chat. I figure if it is this week it will be around 4pm est today.


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Yeah, I would have loved to hear what the devs were saying, because the guy clearly was getting some things wrong trying to relate them second hand.

Also I'd like to know where this rumor about the i23 beta opening this week got started. Considering today is Thursday, and tomorrow is Good Friday, that seems not so likely. Could still open today, sure, but seems way too soon.


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I guess. I mean, the Trial itself looks good and the final map really suggests Praetoria is gone in the sort of way that there's no coming back from...the sonic fields would be gone, the underground would be open to the DE....it's pretty final and I'm glad they did it in one Trial instead of spreading it across maybe two or so.

But this video is really bad. It's a bad representation of mmorpg to have a guy who not only admits he only dabbles in games but then can't play on the basic level but then has to resort to having his headset act as speakers. It's also bad form from Marketing to have not consulted with mmorpg to have gotten someone more familiar with the game to professionally not only sell the product but comment on it from a player's perspective. It's what a journalist, even a part-time or amateur one, does.

Very disappointed in the video.


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No, it doesn't. When your characters meet your handwave vanishes in a puff of logic.
So, 2 characters that are at different points in their career cannot have the same event happen?

He explained it pretty well actually.

The first guy had been a hero for years when Galaxy was destroyed. He may have even been called in to help with the crisis because he is an experienced hero. (My main was in a different part of the zone helping out, since he isn't needed where BaBs and Sister P are)

The second guy was just starting his career when Galaxy City was destroyed.

If his characters meet later on it simply means they have something in common, since they were both at the Galaxy City disaster. The only difference being, one was an experienced hero coordinating with the signature NPCs, and the other was a fresh-faced rookie who just signed up.

The event happened concurrently for both of them, but one was level 50 and the other level 1. I see no handwaving in this instance.


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I think there was a bit of Dev magic involved in how easy he was. None of the incarnate trial tests have run like that, and that is with devs and some of the best players in the game. I don't see a few devs and press people who don't even know how to re-toggle flying through the trial w/o a bit of help.

I'm not going to totally rule out "dev hax" of some sort but...I don't think there was any.

As far as beta itrials go...

I think when DD was new in vip beta; I led a DD trial and it was successful the first time.

*shrugs*

We'll see

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I think others completed a DD itrial before I led mine since I started mine at 10:40pm EST or so.


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The problem the Unionverse has with "destroying Praetoria" is fairly simple and straightforward. At some point the events of the Magisterium trial will be considered part of Union's "history". They will have happened in the past. So from that moment on, Praetoria is considered "destroyed". Maybe rebuilding, maybe lightly scratched, maybe everyone dies. We don't actually know. Which causes problems for roleplayers, because hypothetically there will be no "new" Praetorian characters to RP with, because there's nobody left alive to be one. (Ignoring hand waving like surviving the blast and crawling from the rubble, that is.) No new character can work for Praetor Sinclair, or IvY, or anyone else you'd care to mention.

My personal preference is for Union to simply decide that the Magisterium trial "hasn't happened yet" until details of the post-Tyrant Praetoria become available. Once that is known, we can figure out a more reasonable way to handle things.


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But this video is really bad. It's a bad representation of mmorpg to have a guy who not only admits he only dabbles in games but then can't play on the basic level but then has to resort to having his headset act as speakers. It's also bad form from Marketing to have not consulted with mmorpg to have gotten someone more familiar with the game to professionally not only sell the product but comment on it from a player's perspective. It's what a journalist, even a part-time or amateur one, does.


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You're under the assumption that they had anyone else more experienced in the game. He may have been the most familiar with it out of the group.

I will agree though it was pretty bad about the audio, that should've been something they set up and worked on prior to the event to make sure it worked.


 

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The event happened concurrently for both of them, but one was level 50 and the other level 1. I see no handwaving in this instance.
What you are describing is not "level progression equals story progression" at all.


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No one else was concerned that he was apparently broadcasting from the empty basement of an abandoned house?


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I'm not going to totally rule out "dev hax" of some sort but...I don't think there was any.
It was anther thing Zwill said in chat, I should have been more clear about that, sorry. His term was "Dev Magic".


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What you are describing is not "level progression equals story progression" at all.
Please provide your definition, as I found his narrative to fit what I'd expect. Perhaps we're using the terms differently.


 

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Face it, level as story has never been compatible with multiple characters. I have a ton of characters who personally uncovererd out the Sky Raiders were related to Nemesis, who defeated the Envoy of Shadows, who exposed and arrested Baroness Crey, who all were the one hero who rescued Statesman from Tyrant in the old days.

Apparently, some people look that that inability to reconcile the existence of multiple characters with how those plots unfold as told with the mission/arc owner as the main character only, and discard the whole thing as crap. I don't. I accept that we can't reasonably have characters in an MMO who achieve things without a decent dose of that sort of handwaving, and I move on.


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Face it, level as story has never been compatible with multiple characters. I have a ton of characters who personally uncovererd out the Sky Raiders were related to Nemesis, who defeated the Envoy of Shadows, who exposed and arrested Baroness Crey, who all were the one hero who rescued Statesman from Tyrant in the old days.
Actually, they strike me as being very compatible, or at least more so than any other explanation. It's the only way you can explain multiple characters being the sole hero of an arc, because none of them actually experience it until they reach that level.

Really, though, it's just the muddled nature of balancing story with the inherent nature of MMOs. You can't constantly change the lowbie experience because of stuff that happens to high-level characters. It's impractical from both an implementation and enjoyment perspective.


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