Bah! It's gonna be a long wait for the next season dvd set to come out. 
Oh, and Daenarys' pets? Not dragons. Thems be wyverns.
The scene was heavy handed, but we know all we need to know about Joff now. He's one sick puppy.
Also: SHADOW BABY!
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SHADOW BABY!
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Or the smoke monster from Lost?
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Second, last night's episode was...disturbing. I found myself watching episodes of My Little Pony and The Smurfs after, just to cleanse my brain.
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Great stuff last night.
One of my favorite moments from "Clash of Kings" was Tyrion rescuing Sansa from a beating at the hands of Joffrey and Ser Meron Trant. "Bronn, if Ser Meron speaks again, kill him."
The shadow baby scene was wonderfully disturbing, though something of a departure from the book. (They combined two different instance of this -- Davos doesn't witness a birth until later in the book. They may have jettisoned the other subplot, which might be for the best.) I'm sure people who haven't read the books are freaking out somewhat (which would be understandable.)
I really liked the scene between Baelish and Catelyn (and subsequently Baelish and Margaery). It's something that was added for the TV show (I think), but it gave a real humanizing moment to Catelyn Stark.
Loved seeing Harrenhall and Qarth in the opening credits.
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One of my favorite moments from "Clash of Kings" was Tyrion rescuing Sansa from a beating at the hands of Joffrey and Ser Meron Trant. "Bronn, if Ser Meron speaks again, kill him."
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Tyrion is awesome! I'm just obviously worried that he's not going to be able to get away with that forever and I fear what the little sadist-snot Joffery will finally do to him.
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Loved seeing Harrenhall and Qarth in the opening credits.
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Love that feature, but I think they messed up this week. I recall Winterfell in the opening credits, but we had no scenes in Winterfell, did we?
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I've noticed that every episode changes up the opening credits to highlight the various places that are going to be important in the episode. It's a pretty clever way to keep you watching the credits each week.
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Eh, I don't think the way it works is supposed to match 100% with the episodes. For example I think they've showed Winterfell and The Wall in every opening credits regardless. I figure the idea is to just toss in one or two "episode specific" ones (like Quarth) to make it unique and interesting.
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Love that feature, but I think they messed up this week. I recall Winterfell in the opening credits, but we had no scenes in Winterfell, did we?
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Yeah, it's not just what areas are in the episode. I'm pretty sure Winterfell, the Wall and Kingslanding are shown every ep.
Loved the Quarth/Qarth joke. I'm sure everyone that has read the books had that debate in their head while reading.
Good to see they made Harrenhall massive, I was worried they would scale it down.
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Geoffrey, the twisted lil punk at it again! Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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Geoffrey, the twisted lil punk at it again! Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
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I also love Tyrion more with every episode He's in.
Shadow baby was uhhhh.....disturbing.
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Turns out the "nitpick issue" I currently have with this show/story is how "The Wall" can actually serve as an adequate barrier to all the wildness of the north when it's flanked by open oceans on both sides. I suppose the idea of just sailing a boat around the ends of the wall never occurred to anyone. Did the Romans have the same problem with Hadrian's Wall?
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Don't underestimate the difficulty of northern seas. The Romans had enough trouble getting their fleet across the much calmer waters of the Channel, and their technology was well ahead of the picts.
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I havent read the books but I know what the shadow baby does (I'm sure next episode) and I'm sad because of it.
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Right, walls can't hold an enemy back forever and that's PRECISELY the problem I have with this wall in this story. According to this story this wall has somehow "worked" for hundreds of years. How is it really possible that things have remained so static for so long? It just seems like the people of this story take this wall far too much for granted and it simply comes across as that much less "plausible" to me because of it. *shrugs*|
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Don't underestimate the difficulty of northern seas. The Romans had enough trouble getting their fleet across the much calmer waters of the Channel, and their technology was well ahead of the picts.
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Right, walls can't hold an enemy back forever and that's PRECISELY the problem I have with this wall in this story. According to this story this wall has somehow "worked" for hundreds of years. How is it really possible that things have remained so static for so long? It just seems like the people of this story take this wall far too much for granted and it simply comes across as that much less "plausible" to me because of it. *shrugs*
Yes the waters around the British Isles can be rough. But just like in this story the Scots didn't really need to go too far out to sea in order to just skirt around the edge of the wall if they really wanted to. And like I just mentioned above the wildlings have had hundreds of years worth of opportunities to catch a calm day to go sailing if they wanted to. |
The wall was built with powerful magic by Brandon the Builder 8000 years ago. The magic makes it where the Others (White Walkers) and Wights can't pass through the walls.
There is a division of the Nights Watch that constantly maintain the integrity of the Wall.
As we said before, the wildlings don't have large ships so the number that come south by water and climb over are easily handled by rangers or Northmen. They have also never been organized enough to care. Wildlings except for a few far Northern tribes do not congregate in towns, cities or tribes. In other words besides a little mischief or raiding, they don't care to come south of the wall.
The Wall was really built to keep giants, giant ice spiders, Others and Wights out of the south. i.e. grumpkins and snarks. The only problem though is they have pretty much disappeared in recent times as magic and mythical creatures seem tied to the presence or lack of dragons. While there was still a few magic users and mythical creatures around when the dragons were gone, that has drastically increased with the birth of the dragons. And that is believed to be why the wildlings are massing an army. The question is 'is it for an attack or self survival'?
The Others are also tied to Winter and this has been one of the longest Summers in recent times. That is why there is all this concern about it becoming Autumn and "Winter is Coming" and with Winter the Others can extend their range deep into the Realm. It is suspected that this could be a long one, which could mean several years (even dozens) of Winter.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Right, walls can't hold an enemy back forever and that's PRECISELY the problem I have with this wall in this story. According to this story this wall has somehow "worked" for hundreds of years. How is it really possible that things have remained so static for so long? It just seems like the people of this story take this wall far too much for granted and it simply comes across as that much less "plausible" to me because of it. *shrugs*
Yes the waters around the British Isles can be rough. But just like in this story the Scots didn't really need to go too far out to sea in order to just skirt around the edge of the wall if they really wanted to. And like I just mentioned above the wildlings have had hundreds of years worth of opportunities to catch a calm day to go sailing if they wanted to. |
In the books The Commander of Eastwatch, Cotter Pyke sending a letter that he caught some wildlings attempting to go around Eastwatch by the sea exactly as you say. My memory is fuzzy truthfully. And I also remember some wildling king building war rafts and trying to do the same thing by force in some discussed history of the books.
Regardless I was surprised reading the series that so many wildlings were going over the wall, Im not surprised that many were going around the wall.
I will say in the East, Cotter Pyke and the Isle of Skagos (cannibals yeesh) are not easy to pass, and Bear Island in the West would probably prove problematic but the truth is they probably did pass by seas and the public at large just hasnt heard of it.
Judging by the attitude of the wildlings that get screen time in the books a lot of them just dont want to come south. Not until theyre fleeing something or raiding do they bother.
I think the wall was built to keep out the grumpkins and people just thought that it was working against the wildlings in general.
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Just a little background to help you out Lothic:
The wall was built with powerful magic by Brandon the Builder 8000 years ago. The magic makes it where the Others (White Walkers) and Wights can't pass through the walls. There is a division of the Nights Watch that constantly maintain the integrity of the Wall. As we said before, the wildlings don't have large ships so the number that come south by water and climb over are easily handled by rangers or Northmen. They have also never been organized enough to care. Wildlings except for a few far Northern tribes do not congregate in towns, cities or tribes. In other words besides a little mischief or raiding, they don't care to come south of the wall. The Wall was really built to keep giants, giant ice spiders, Others and Wights out of the south. i.e. grumpkins and snarks. The only problem though is they have pretty much disappeared in recent times as magic and mythical creatures seem tied to the presence or lack of dragons. While there was still a few magic users and mythical creatures around when the dragons were gone, that has drastically increased with the birth of the dragons. And that is believed to be why the wildlings are massing an army. The question is 'is it for an attack or self survival'? The Others are also tied to Winter and this has been one of the longest Summers in recent times. That is why there is all this concern about it becoming Autumn and "Winter is Coming" and with Winter the Others can extend their range deep into the Realm. It is suspected that this could be a long one, which could mean several years (even dozens) of Winter. |
I'm sorry if my historical knowledge tends to make me "disbelieve" the implied effectiveness of an 8,000(!) year old wall no matter what the circumstances are fantasy or otherwise.
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Right, walls can't hold an enemy back forever and that's PRECISELY the problem I have with this wall in this story. According to this story this wall has somehow "worked" for hundreds of years. How is it really possible that things have remained so static for so long? It just seems like the people of this story take this wall far too much for granted and it simply comes across as that much less "plausible" to me because of it. *shrugs*
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Yes the waters around the British Isles can be rough. But just like in this story the Scots didn't really need to go too far out to sea in order to just skirt around the edge of the wall if they really wanted to. And like I just mentioned above the wildlings have had hundreds of years worth of opportunities to catch a calm day to go sailing if they wanted to.
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As for just how dangerous the waters around Scotland are - well, it wasn't Drake that sunk the Spanish Armada...
And as for the wall in GoT, the wildlings are not the enemy it was built to stop...
(and no, not spoilers, I haven't read the books, but there is plenty telegraphed ahead.)
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I'm sorry if my historical knowledge tends to make me "disbelieve" the implied effectiveness of an 8,000(!) year old wall no matter what the circumstances are fantasy or otherwise.
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As for the wall, as others have alluded to, it's a Magic Wall, and it's mainly to keep out the grumpkins and snarks. Keeping the wildings at bay is a side benefit at best, and it's not really effective at that during the time of the novels.
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Suspending your beliefs/knowledge is sometime the only way to enjoy fantasy/sci fi. It is called fiction for a reason.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
And as I implied before whenever I think of the general idea of "let's have a wall that'll -permanently- keep the bad things out" I just think of how well that worked in real life with things like the Maginot Line.
I'm sorry if my historical knowledge tends to make me "disbelieve" the implied effectiveness of an 8,000(!) year old wall no matter what the circumstances are fantasy or otherwise. |
When I hear my brother in law talk about the questionable physics in star trek, I pretty much /e eyeroll.
Or to put it another way just because that blonde standing on stage isn't 100% natural doesn't mean I can't enjoy watching her.
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Ok,once again. Nobody has said things like permanently keep things out....as we've said it doesn't keep things 100% out. It's an impediment. Also: It's not really built for wildlings and what few come over have been handled quite easily by rangers and such. Wildlings aren't the problem. It's been Summer for many years and dragons haven't been around for so long people almost don't believe in magic and mythical creatures anymore. The Others have been all but an old wives tale. So much so they think the deserter at the beginning of the series is insane when he tells them he saw the White Walkers.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
And as I implied before whenever I think of the general idea of "let's have a wall that'll -permanently- keep the bad things out" I just think of how well that worked in real life with things like the Maginot Line.
I'm sorry if my historical knowledge tends to make me "disbelieve" the implied effectiveness of an 8,000(!) year old wall no matter what the circumstances are fantasy or otherwise. |
The Maginot line wasn't trying to keep out zombies, giants, and zombie making frozen men riding giant ice spiders. Historical knowledge is great when reading this series, but this isn't historical fiction; it's fantasy.
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As far as the gold chains melting -- creative license. I was okay with this.
The gold thing just bothered me because if it was that easy to melt gold, everyone would be able to do it.