Paragon Studios is working on a new MMO
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Posted on: 2012-04-01 06:45 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Originally Posted by Goliath Bird Eater
Television moved to Paragon's new project. This was stated by Zwillinger during the Ustream where new programmer/engineer Neon Walker was introduced to us.
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Aaand this is why we (read: I) need transcripts of all the Ustreams! sheesh
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Facebook mostly. At least for me.
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The only time I remember FB and the devs was, I think, when BABs left and people said, "hey he's on FB, friend 'em!" and either he (right before he left) or some other dev said, "Uh, yeah...love you guys but I'm not friending anyone beyond family (and real life friends)."
So....you have a friend in BABs?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
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Also, no one's shutting down anything until I get the last of the Master badges. |
So what you're saying is you want me to join your leagues when you are trying for the Master of badges so I can fail the criteria on purpose?
*me doing whatever it is that would cause a Master of badge run to fail*
Me: "I'm doing this for your own good Arcanaville!" "If you got all the Master of badges the game closes down!"
Arcanaville: "
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I've seen people on Underground trials shoot at the wrong bomb, stand next to a bomb while shooting another bomb, run past a bomb, teleport to a bomb, run pets past a bomb, and try to solo a bomb (unsuccessfully). Until now, I didn't think that was all the work of a single player.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
So what you're saying is you want me to join your leagues when you are trying for the Master of badges so I can fail the criteria on purpose?
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I've seen people on Underground trials shoot at the wrong bomb, stand next to a bomb while shooting another bomb, run past a bomb, teleport to a bomb, run pets past a bomb, and try to solo a bomb (unsuccessfully). Until now, I didn't think that was all the work of a single player.
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Muwahaha! I am like Megatron (from the Beast Wars cartoon; watched a few eps. tonight
) controlling all my little henchmen and telling them what to do and when to do it. *megatron voice*
Yeeessss.....
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Uh, i would agree that *some* people want to make their own unique characters, but every single time i log in and go somewhere with many players i see dozens of examples that demonstrate that there are many people who really don't want to make unique characters.|
Originally Posted by BrandX
<snip>as I just don't believe playing unoriginal characters will draw people in. I think people want to make their own unique characters.
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Personally i do prefer to make unique characters, but i have no illusions about the player of V3g3ta SS7's Energy/Energy Blaster aiming for uniqueness. Or that Katana Scrapper named Deathp00l dressed in red and black. Or the 80,000 other copies of present and past popular fictional characters.
None of which bothers me as long as i can make my character unique.
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i think it will be a fantasy MMO. WoW is finnally getting to be "old news" in the gamer community(took long enough) and the burst of would be competitors to that game have long since fizzled due to poor design choices or support(DDO) or really bad design choices forced onto the dev team by marketing(LOTR online) Such that, it may actually be feasable to create a fantasy game that could draw players away from WoW now.
Such a game would include things like:
Faster paced play- fighting larger groups of foes, especially solo, with a fairly wide array of melee and magic "powers"
Elimination of "skill tree" and hardline classes replaced by AT with various powersets instead.
basically, CoH with swords and fireballs, vs dragons, ogres, orcs etc instead of family mobsters and crey power tanks.
now obviously it wouldnt be a copypasta of game engine/systems design, but a lot could be borrowed and the basics of CoH are obviously fun and successful so it really isnt a stretch to think they could apply a lot of what they learned and have done here into such an atmosphere.
Also of note:
ever notice how detailed the grass and woods are in the surrounding hills of first ward? the texture detail put onto rocks and stone walls there?
Ever think maybe that the animations for some of Kinetic melee set's powers could also be for magic casting or summoning?(just add glowie arcane symbols in the air)
Animals- animations and models
Titan weopons- for a set where people were repeatedly requesting laser swords, mailbox stuck on a tree branch, stop signs etc, we sure got a lot of magic swords, more swords, and axes. And one railroad sign.
Reworked water including the exceedingly rare sound overhaul.
There is countless examples of stuff that could port right into a fantasy MMO. All of this is circumstantial of course, and i am sure a lot of the recent stuff wasnt made for "that other new thing" and brought here as a shared resource.
Or was it.
being able to develop stuff for a new IP and write it off in an existing successful game would sure cut into that whole "cost of new stuff" thing others have pointed out above. indeed, it is a scary time to make a new game, the platform preference has flailed about wildly in the last few years. makes it a bit easier to eat that cost and swallow that fear when you can write it against an existing, earning product.
Thats my 2 cents of speculation anyway
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I was thinking more Starscream.
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Muwahaha! I am like Megatron (from the Beast Wars cartoon; watched a few eps. tonight
) controlling all my little henchmen and telling them what to do and when to do it. *megatron voice* Yeeessss..... |
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
The only time I remember FB and the devs was, I think, when BABs left and people said, "hey he's on FB, friend 'em!" and either he (right before he left) or some other dev said, "Uh, yeah...love you guys but I'm not friending anyone beyond family (and real life friends)." So....you have a friend in BABs? |
Of course, I'd played with him before he was BAB and after he was BAB, but before I knew he was BAB. Confuses even me if I try to stop and figure that one out when I'm tired.
I actually put things together based on some in-game conversations from before he went to work on CoH and information I gained after he went to work on CoH.
Many long-time/old-time Justice players had teamed with him and he seemed to get a delight in dropping clues as to who he had teamed with. When he said he'd teamed with me and outside of a Hami Raid, it narrowed things down quite a bit for me since I had gotten to a point that I rarely teamed at that time except for Hami Raids.
Chris has several friends on Justice as well as other servers, especially those that have had a chance to visit with him at the HeroCon events. I have a few other FB friends that are current or former CoH Devs or OCR folks and one of the things I insist on is that I don't ask them anything about the game. Of course, aside from 2 real life friends and 2 Justice players the only people on my FB friends list are people I've actually met face to face and because of the game.
Being rather socially inept, I consider myself lucky that so many of these people consider me a friend.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
I was thinking more Starscream.
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But Megatron!!!
*/G1 Starscream voice*
I was originally going to say Tarantulas because he was a great character...however, he did "lose" to Megatron in the end so...
Then again, it wasn't really Tarantulas' fault...darn Ravage got trix'ied by Megatron while Megs was in jail.... :P
Man love the series.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
Yes, I do.
Of course, I'd played with him before he was BAB and after he was BAB, but before I knew he was BAB. Confuses even me if I try to stop and figure that one out when I'm tired. I actually put things together based on some in-game conversations from before he went to work on CoH and information I gained after he went to work on CoH. Many long-time/old-time Justice players had teamed with him and he seemed to get a delight in dropping clues as to who he had teamed with. When he said he'd teamed with me and outside of a Hami Raid, it narrowed things down quite a bit for me since I had gotten to a point that I rarely teamed at that time except for Hami Raids. Chris has several friends on Justice as well as other servers, especially those that have had a chance to visit with him at the HeroCon events. I have a few other FB friends that are current or former CoH Devs or OCR folks and one of the things I insist on is that I don't ask them anything about the game. Of course, aside from 2 real life friends and 2 Justice players the only people on my FB friends list are people I've actually met face to face and because of the game. Being rather socially inept, I consider myself lucky that so many of these people consider me a friend. |
Nice
See Liberty is so cool we don't have devs playing on our servers! (or do we?!?! bum bum bum...)
I'd like to just talk to devs as people and not "what's in i25?!"
Don't get me wrong I'd still ask that for fun
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The work postings for Paragon (under Mountain View) specifically mention the project is a 'next gen MMO' and 'new IP':|
Originally Posted by Chase_Arcanum
Bad Assumption #1: they're working on another IP. They've publicly stated that they're working on a new project. They have also stated that when Paragon Studios launched, it would be dedicated to the City of Heroes franchise. These statements are not necessarily contradictory. There's nothing saying that the new project doesn't fall within the "City of..." franchise.
(Bad Assumption #5: Not made by Johnny_Butane, but by others in this thread: There's also nothing stating that said project was necessarily an MMO or a PC game for that matter. While I posted my iPad comment in jest, this IS a scary time for any studio to try a multimillion-dollar PC title. PC sales are flat and PCs that would handle a high-end DirectX11 title well are not entering the market fast enough to match the growing costs of developing these high-end titles. You may want to mitigate costs by developing cross-platform, lowering system requirements so it works across a wider array of PCs, or keep your IP alive by developing products with your IP in alternate markets until things seem less stormy.) |
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| 2D/UI Artist (Next Gen MMO) |
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| This individual will be primarily responsible for the design, creation and implementation of 2D user interface graphics for an exciting new IP. |
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
Oooooh...
Nice See Liberty is so cool we don't have devs playing on our servers! (or do we?!?! bum bum bum...) |
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Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion
I'd like to just talk to devs as people and not "what's in i25?!" Don't get me wrong I'd still ask that for fun |
And then I waited for the next HeroCon or M&G or Pummit and then asked the questions that had built up.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
I've enjoyed CoH so far, so I'd totally check out another MMO made by the same studio.
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Yeah, while i like the current Dev team quite a bit, you should remember who the studio that actually made CoH was... i'll just say none of the games they've made since have really appealed to me.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I've enjoyed CoH so far, so I'd totally check out another MMO made by the same studio.
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Now, the current team has done a fantastic job (in my possibly biased opinion) of expanding on the original game, particularly in the gameplay and aesthetics. The storylines have occasionally been a bit hit or miss, but there were some real stinkers in the release material. One thing they have definitely improved upon is understanding the mechanics and engine of the game, as well as establishing a rapport with their playerbase.
So yeah, i'll probably try any other game put out by Paragon Studios, but games by the studio that made CoH? Not so much.
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I'd check out any MMO they put out. I've never found a fantasy MMO that I wanted to stick with despite the fact that that's a genre I really like.
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Farewell is like the end
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Oh really? Then what was the CO rage all about, then? |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
I've enjoyed CoH so far, so I'd totally check out another MMO made by the same studio.
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Originally Posted by Slaunyeh
Oh really? Then what was the CO rage all about, then?
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If I remember rightly she was all for CO, till they banned her from the forums.
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Originally Posted by Texas Justice
You might be surprised.
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Well, if devs play regularly on Liberty they don't drop hints/etc...!
Or if they do, they don't do it when I'm online!
Then again I seem pretty oblivious to things...I wouldn't know a girl likes me until she said, "I like you, want to go out?" point blank...so...there is that
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Thanks for the update. The last few listings I'd seen omitted mentioning "MMO", referring to "game." Made me wonder.|
Originally Posted by Creole Ned
The work postings for Paragon (under Mountain View) specifically mention the project is a 'next gen MMO' and 'new IP':
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"New IP" though.... that's really interesting.
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Hey, I think we found the one thing that was good about that game! |
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
If I remember rightly she was all for CO, till they banned her from the forums.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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I know I am being overly negative, but it makes me sad that they are not doing COH2.
I especially can't get excited without knowing what the 'NewIP' is.
*sigh* DC game is meh....
Marvel game is not going to let you create a character....blech
I really want COH2.
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It doesn't really matter to me what the new IP is. All that matters is that CoH essentially has no future.|
Originally Posted by Umbra
I know I am being overly negative, but it makes me sad that they are not doing COH2.
I especially can't get excited without knowing what the 'NewIP' is. |
A new [insert 4 legged vanity pet] a month in addition to variations on melee weapon sets and martial arts plus whatever they can kludge together for issue content...from now until whenever they decide to shut down the servers, plus whatever more forms of downsizing (like loss of EU localization) that happens along the way? Yeah, no thanks. CoH deserves better than that. It deserves a proper sequel.
It's not being overly negative when the studio has apparently decided that something else is their future. Part of the reason I was willing to freely spend money on the market was because I thought it could only help the chances of a CoH 2. But Arcana makes good points; CoH 2 almost impossible, especially when they're apparently also working on two other projects. In light of that I don't see the point of supporting the game when it's really not working towards something greater.
All of this talk of other projects, the service downsizing for EU and the general direction the game seems to be going in post F2P (and to an extent post GR), has left a real bad taste in my mouth. Even the Pummit can't raise my spirits.
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Originally Posted by Johnny_Butane
It doesn't really matter to me what the new IP is. All that matters is that CoH essentially has no future.
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It's not being overly negative when the studio has apparently decided that something else is their future. Part of the reason I was willing to freely spend money on the market was because I thought it could only help the chances of a CoH 2. But Arcana makes good points; CoH 2 almost impossible, especially when they're apparently also working on two other projects. In light of that I don't see the point of supporting the game when it's really not working towards something greater. All of this talk of other projects, the service downsizing for EU and the general direction the game seems to be going in post F2P (and to an extent post GR), has left a real bad taste in my mouth. Even the Pummit can't raise my spirits. |
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I would guess that the reason they are not doing COH 2 is that whoever is paying for it thinks they have to use a particular genre to make more money. Fantasy or SciFI I would think.
Of course, they might just be excited over whatever this new Ip is, but I want COH2.
I have paid a monthly fee on two accounts for many years to support first cryptic, and now paragon. Even when I had no time to play I gladly paid monthly to give them more money to work with.
But I fear that if this 'new ip' is not my cup of tea I will have to move on, and it makes me sad.
Television moved to Paragon's new project. This was stated by Zwillinger during the Ustream where new programmer/engineer Neon Walker was introduced to us.
Positron: "There are no bugs [in City of Heroes], just varying degrees of features."