New MM Set not Free for VIPs?
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Posted on: 2012-03-20 10:16 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
Nope. Beast Mastery is like Beam Rifle, Street Justice, and Titan Weapons. Anyone who wants it is going to have to purchase it.
Trust me, I think it is odd too considering only one archetype can use it...
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
It looks like the current plan is to release new free (for VIPs) sets with each issue (like Time Manipulation and the new Dark sets). Other new sets will be released in the Market between issues and everyone has to buy them.
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It was stated at the Player Summit when they gave information on I22 that only the new Dark sets would be free for VIP's and that other sets released in the I22 window would be a purchase-required for all.|
Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Like the title says.
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Of course, they only told us specifically about Staff Fighting, they weren't ready to release any information on or even hint at the possibility of Beast Mastery. They need to keep a few surprises up their sleeves.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
Staff Fighting is the same. It's gonna be a Pay Set.
Don't forget that VIPs got Dark Control for Free w/I22. Just like VIPs got Time Manipulation for Free w/I21.
So I think we're seeing the Future trend here, as far as Powersets go. 1 VIP free, 2 that everyone Pays. Personally, that's fine with me. I'm not all that interested in Beast Mastery ATM and Staff Fighting will be a nice belated B-Day gift to myself.
Thank you for the time...
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Yes, you should have. It was in War Witch's Producers Letter posted on March 1.
If the game spit out 20 dollar bills people would complain that they weren't sequentially numbered. If they were sequentially numbered people would complain that they weren't random enough.
Black Pebble is my new hero.
I don't like the MM play style so I'm not upset about this in the least. Its sad because I could have used another wolf or 2.
It is known.
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VIPs also got Darkness Affinity and Dark Assault for free also. Freebies/Preemies have to pay 400pp each for those (pseudo proliferations so I'm guessing that's why the lower price point).
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Originally Posted by Tymers_Realm
Don't forget that VIPs got Dark Control for Free w/I22.
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Actually, it's not odd at all. MM primaries are unique to them and take extra resources & effort to make; not coincidentally, MMs don't have many primaries. Making it a pay set justifies putting the extra effort into such a niche powerset.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
Nope. Beast Mastery is like Beam Rifle, Street Justice, and Titan Weapons. Anyone who wants it is going to have to purchase it.
Trust me, I think it is odd too considering only one archetype can use it... |
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Actually, it's not odd at all. MM primaries are unique to them and take extra resources & effort to make; not coincidentally, MMs don't have many primaries. Making it a pay set justifies putting the extra effort into such a niche powerset.
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VIPs get free power sets in Issues, just like subscribers have always done - the extra powersets between Issues need to be paid for.
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define "free"
VIP's pay each month, so nothing is free for them
they get points to spend in the market for the money they spend each month, so things bought using those points are as "free" as their VIP status.
So either VIP's get nothing free, or they can get the MM set free. Just depending on what you mean by free. It costs them $14.99 per month but no more money then that.
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pretty sure that when they mean free they mean we dont have to spent points on it period (ala dark control which also includes dark affinity and dark assault, time manipulation)
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
define "free"
VIP's pay each month, so nothing is free for them they get points to spend in the market for the money they spend each month, so things bought using those points are as "free" as their VIP status. So either VIP's get nothing free, or they can get the MM set free. Just depending on what you mean by free. It costs them $14.99 per month but no more money then that. |
BM being a for pay set is the least of it's pitfalls.
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Originally Posted by Obscure Blade
Actually, it's not odd at all. MM primaries are unique to them and take extra resources & effort to make; not coincidentally, MMs don't have many primaries. Making it a pay set justifies putting the extra effort into such a niche powerset.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison
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By my logic, it would have made more sense to release Beast Mastery for free with i22, along with Darkness Assault and Affinity, and then release Darkness Control as purchasable considering it was so highly desired. Granted, I realize why that would not make sense thematically, and how it would affect the mood of the player base. I am just using it for comparison.
To me, it makes more sense for them to release the more exclusive power sets (MM primaries, Blaster and Dom secondaries) for free since they most likely appeal to a smaller demographic of players, then to release the more widely used typed power sets (buff/debuff, melee, and ranged) as purchasable. No, I would not want that to become the norm, I am just speaking strictly from a business standpoint.
I see your point, and it stands: MM primaries, especially one making rigorous use of the four-legged rig, most likely require more work than other power sets. Therefore they saw fit to release it "for purchase" in an effort to make back some of the money (time) spent on developing it. I just see the other perspective as more logical.
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.
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It seems to me that all of the sets that even VIP's have had to use points for have been more complex than usual, with all of them having some sort of "gimmick". Beam Rifle has Disintegration, Street Justice has combos, Titan Weapons with momentum, and now Beast Mastery's Pack Mentality would be consistent with that pattern.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
I see your point, and it stands: MM primaries, especially one making rigorous use of the four-legged rig, most likely require more work than other power sets. Therefore they saw fit to release it "for purchase" in an effort to make back some of the money (time) spent on developing it. I just see the other perspective as more logical.
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If I recall, a redname said at some point in the past that if a new powerset can make good use of existing assets (e.g., animations) that it is more likely to be free. If it requires a lot of new assets, especially animations, models, and so forth, it will most likely be in the store.
I don't see it as that big of a deal. As several people have already pointed out, it's not the first set that VIP's have had to pay for. With 400 points a month included with my subscription, I can wait a couple of months to get the set. In the meantime there have been plenty of things released that I haven't even looked at to fill the time.
I'm more interested in seeing different skins for MM pets developed (I think that has a better chance than total customization for them)! That's an easy way to offer more options with the current sets.
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That reminds me, I bought Beam Rifle...
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They said up front that it wouldn't be. Why is this a surprise to you?
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Originally Posted by Anti_Proton
Like the title says.
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MM primaries are FAR more work-intensive to develop than any other ATs' powersets. Also consider that Beast Mastery uses the new 4-legged rigs and is probably the main reason they were developed in the first place, the vanity pets and coyote run being just a way to pad the development expense while they finished up BM.|
Originally Posted by Winterminal
Trust me, I think it is odd too considering only one archetype can use it...
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Originally Posted by dugfromthearth
define "free"
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Wow, that was easy. Next stupid question?
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I could've sworn people were apathetic about the set because the set isn't very good. And considering the LAST pay set (Demon Summoning) is in the short list for best, that's a problem.
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
According to the announcement's discussion thread, there are a number of players who are fairly apathetic about it and are unlikely to purchase the set simply because it is for Masterminds.
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