Sneak Peek at retro SciFi
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Agent White,
Posted on: 2012-02-27 17:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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I'll defer to others who've already given you plenty of examples to help you tell the difference between real science and science fiction in this case.|
Originally Posted by Hitback
Give me a link, picture, video, anything that shows a real woman or a fictional character wearing heels while in a suit that looks even close to this
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Originally Posted by Hitback
That's a fictional space suit, since it was designed by Paragon Studios, not NASA. The pictures that were posted, as well as the video do not feauture space suits. So, when I'm talking about astronauts, I'm specifically referring to space suits, not shiny tights and mini skirts.
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The idea that "retro sci-fi" must equal "astronaut" is a lot like trying to convince people that Heavy Metal and Classical music are the same thing just because they're both generally considered forms of music. Sure many elements of retro sci-fi tend to be "spacey" in nature, but I would never be naive enough to insist that a costume pack based on a retro sci-fi theme must possess every costume item you'd need to make an "astronaut" outfit.
Ironically I wouldn't mind having realistic female spacesuit boots in this game at some point. But I'm not going to be upset if the retro sci-fi pack doesn't provide that item because realistic female spacesuit boots aren't typically associated with retro sci-fi.
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Originally Posted by Hitback
Ok, Ulala is an astronaut. Are you happy now?
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When did I ever try to equate retro sci-fi with real astronauts? From the very beginning I was talking about women astronauts, and was referring to the first outfit of this pack, the one that looks very close to an actual space suit and was advertised as such by the devs. I wasn't talking about the retro sci-fi genre, which is covered by the accessories and the second outfit of this pack. If you want to treat them all as one thing, be my guest, but when the pack was first revealed after the Player Summit, the dev who made the thread (I can't find that thread now) said that they were going to make a space suit for everyone and a Ulala-like retro sci-fi dress for women. I was talking about the space suit. So, yeah, just becasue the pack is called that, doesn't mean that the space suit is part of the retro sci-fi genre and its appearance should not be dictated by the tropes of that genre. May I remind you of the Gunslinger pack and the salloon girl outfit?
Anyway, I don't even know why we're discussing this in the first place. Now, for something different; I love these boots:
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Considering the space suit in the pack is just as form-fitting I don't see how this picture isn't exactly what you were asking for.
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Originally Posted by Hitback
Well, that certainly comes close.
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On another note, this confirms my suspicion that the star belt is in fact the perfect accessory for the patriotic-themed superhero.
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Originally Posted by Hitback
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Am I misreading this or does it sound like he's implying women can't be real astronauts? |
Originally Posted by Hitback
When did I ever try to equate retro sci-fi with real astronauts? From the very beginning I was talking about women astronauts, and was referring to the first outfit of this pack, the one that looks very close to an actual space suit and was advertised as such by the devs. I wasn't talking about the retro sci-fi genre, which is covered by the accessories and the second outfit of this pack.
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Nah I must be misreading that.
Women get the big gloves. I don't see why they wouldn't get the big boots. And the "retro" in Retro Sci-Fi is really not good enough as an explanation. They look good, they fit the existing gloves and the female rig needs more big boots just as a general thing.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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So they gender locked the boots, I thought we were past this already, I guess not.
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Well, the set is still on Beta, so there's still a chance these are just not finished and will show up eventually. We can start complaining loudly if that makes it to Live.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
So they gender locked the boots, I thought we were past this already, I guess not.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Well, the set is still on Beta, so there's still a chance these are just not finished and will show up eventually. We can start complaining loudly if that makes it to Live.
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Haven't we already been told, that when something makes it to Beta it doesn't get changed?
At least costume set wise?
Brawling Cactus from a distant planet.
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No. When the costume first showed up, it lacked a "glow lines" torso and legs texture, which it now has. A lot of the ring items didn't glow, and that was fixed. The costume is still being worked on.
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Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
Haven't we already been told, that when something makes it to Beta it doesn't get changed?
At least costume set wise? |
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
No. When the costume first showed up, it lacked a "glow lines" torso and legs texture, which it now has. A lot of the ring items didn't glow, and that was fixed. The costume is still being worked on.
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Checked the feedback thread, but it doesn't seem like any red names are even acknowledging the missing pieces.
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Beautiful work, Dink. I can't wait to get my paws on the retro sci-fi pack!
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Yes, deliberately.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Nah I must be misreading that.
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No. Only regular type heads. It goes in the beard slot, so you can't make Captain Face-Fungus either.
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Originally Posted by Amerikatt
Will bubble helmets work on the feline heads?
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I really should do something about this signature.
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Only male/huge get the bulky flat boots and only females get the ringed gloves. Also, females get another version of ringed boots, with the rings around the ankles.|
Originally Posted by CactusBrawler
So they gender locked the boots, I thought we were past this already, I guess not.
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As for gender-locking in general, no, we are definitely not past it.
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Maybe I'm missing something, but how did you get that from "please give bulky boots to women (and ringed gloves to men)"?
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
Am I misreading this or does it sound like he's implying women can't be real astronauts?
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I didn't. If you'd bothered to read the second line of my post, it would have been clear to even you that I decided was misreading your post.
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Originally Posted by Hitback
Maybe I'm missing something, but how did you get that from "please give bulky boots to women (and ringed gloves to men)"?
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When one has done something deliberately, one does not usually admit he or she must have made a mistake.
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Originally Posted by Pengy
Yes, deliberately.
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I did read the second part, but I still can't see how one could misread my post to reach the conclusion you reached.|
Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
I didn't. If you'd bothered to read the second line of my post, it would have been clear to even you that I decided was misreading your post.
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Also, "Nah I must be misreading that" implies that you're still reading as a misogynist post, but you try to convinse yourself otherwise, so yeah..
And nice attitude right there, bro.
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Here's the thing: in general I'm all for equality in costume items for this game. Generally speaking I think all items should be equally available to all three body models (male, female and huge). So in principle I can agree with what you're suggesting here.|
Originally Posted by Hitback
Only male/huge get the bulky flat boots and only females get the ringed gloves. Also, females get another version of ringed boots, with the rings around the ankles.
As for gender-locking in general, no, we are definitely not past it. |
But where you seem to be missing the point is that IN THEMATIC CONTEXT your suggestions really don't make any sense. I understand you want this "retro sci-fi" set to be considered more like a generic "spacesuit" set and you think that means that all these glove and boot options should be in it. But please trust me when I say it really makes no sense for females to have "sensible" space-boot options shoehorned into this set when the very definition of retro sci-fi effectively PROHIBITS it. What you're asking for here is almost like asking for a hockey mask to be included in a football costume set just because you really, really want that football costume set to actually be an "all-sports" costume set. Apples and oranges my friend.
Like I said in the feedback thread if the Devs ever decide to give us a specific "spacesuit/astronaut" costume set then I'll back you on this idea of yours 100%. But since women in retro sci-fi (for better or worse) didn't wear strictly "reasonable" clothing there's sadly no justification for trying to overload that kind of thing here in this costume set.
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This is complete nonsense. Nothing in the theme of Retro Sci-Fi prohibits women from wearing the big boots, least of all the "theme." Women already get the huge baggy top and they already get the huge baggy gloves. It makes no sense to deny the proliferation of the rest of that set because of some unnecessarily narrow view of what "retro sci-fi" should entail.|
Originally Posted by Lothic
But where you seem to be missing the point is that IN THEMATIC CONTEXT your suggestions really don't make any sense. I understand you want this "retro sci-fi" set to be considered more like a generic "spacesuit" set and you think that means that all these glove and boot options should be in it. But please trust me when I say it really makes no sense for females to have "sensible" space-boot options shoehorned into this set when the very definition of retro sci-fi effectively PROHIBITS it. What you're asking for here is almost like asking for a hockey mask to be included in a football costume set just because you really, really want that football costume set to actually be an "all-sports" costume set. Apples and oranges my friend.
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Moreover, to request that a specific costume piece should NOT be added for any reason under the sun (other than age rating and legality, obviously) is just lunacy. There is no valid argument in existence for why not having these boots is superior to having them. If you don't like them and don't feel they belong to the theme, don't use them. Problem solved. Requestion that I don't be allowed to use them on my characters is not justifiable.
Obviously, if you were making an argument from the standpoint of opportunity cost, then sure. I might buy that. I'd still argue, but I might buy it. But you're not making that argument. You're making the argument that large boots for women are so out of character for the theme of retro sci-fi that they somehow hurt the set by existing. And that's simply not true.
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Originally Posted by Arcanaville
Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.
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This thread is lols
Which is sad, since it's a thread made by Dink :\
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The thread is 30 pages in. I'm not at all surprised that it's degenerated. It is a very rare thing for a thread to remain focused, on topic and without snark more than a few dozen posts into it.|
Originally Posted by Xzero45
This thread is lols
Which is sad, since it's a thread made by Dink :\ |
I kind of think that's sort of a test to see just how civilized humans have become. In any casual public discourse, how long can any group go on until things get all stupid?
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Originally Posted by Pengy
Yes, deliberately.
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Retro sci-fi.
Not astronaut.
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