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Posted on: 2012-02-27 17:02 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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People can say anything they like - it's just that when it's something silly, they'll get called out on it |
Originally Posted by xhris
Anyway, apparenlty this is not the kind of forum where people can actually voice their opinion
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@Golden Girl
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Go back and look how all this started. I made a request; gloves for males. Then, I took it back, saying that I won't buy the pack so it's not fair that I make a request. Golden Girl suggested that I could get it with my free points and and it was then that I expressed my opinion about the new policy and why it's a matter of principle not of money.
Did I ask for people to agree with my opinion and clap their hands? No.
Did I make a thread complaining about how I don't like this pack and asking for changes? No.
Did I ask for other people to stay away from this pack because it's not up to my standards? No.
Now, when people did all these for the Gunslinger pack, there was no problem. I didn't have a problem either, because I could relate to their problem. But, when I'm expressing my opinion which nobody needs to hear or comment on in the first place, I deserve ridicule. Yes, I was wrong about the faces, but Zwillinger said "unique pieces for females, everything else ported between the 3 body types". I translated it as "no faces, hairstyles". Apparently we are getting 2 new faces (no hairstyles though), so this was a misinterpretation on my part. The point still stands that with this new policy we won't see a male outfit any time soon, and only unisex stuff. We might or might not see other secondary pieces, like accessories and hairstyles and we will see some new faces.
This is the policy I disagree with and the reason I'm not buying this pack or any future packs adhering to this policy. If you don't have a problem, more power to you.
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What would be a male outfit? Which parts of it would women choose not to wear?
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Originally Posted by xhris
we won't see a male outfit any time soon.
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@Golden Girl
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If someone gives me an apple once a week, and gives a girl an orange, when they decide to start givin the girl an apple and an orange every week and I'm still getting an apple I would be foolish to think I was getting less.
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Originally Posted by xhris
Except that already happened when extreme sexism became the official company policy. And I'm not planning on funding this stupidity, which in the long run will only mean less and less costume options for me.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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Why would men choose not to wear the gloves and boots (with a smaller heel) from this pack?
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
What would be a male outfit? Which parts of it would women choose not to wear?
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That pretty much describes some of the opinions voiced in Dink's thread. I never agreed with those who were saying that it was unfair for females to get these pieces. In fact, what Dink did was pretty awesome. What I have a problem with is Zwilliger's extremely unprofessional response and the announcement that basically something similar will never happen for males and that all future packs will only serve to widen the gap.|
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
If someone gives me an apple once a week, and gives a girl an orange, when they decide to start givin the girl an apple and an orange every week and I'm still getting an apple I would be foolish to think I was getting less.
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So, this is more like this: You get an apple and the girl gets an orange. Both of you would like some of what the other is eating, so whoever it is that gives free fruit to people comes back, gives an apple to the girl and on his way back tells you to go **** yourself. Also, he informs you that from now on, you won't even get a whole apple, but only as much as the girl eats herself.
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Post the quote so that we can see how unprofessional it was.
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Originally Posted by xhris
Zwilliger's extremely unprofessional response
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Others didn't find it unprofessional apparently, maybe even agreed with that approach, so it's not important. It was this image with the guy whose name I can't remember holding a newspaper.|
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Post the quote so that we can see how unprofessional it was.
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Anyway, let me make it more clear why someone could have a problem with this policy. If I'm not mistaken, the player summit is today. Let's say the devs announce that beginning with issue 24, all new content will be mostly hero exclusive, and villains will get no exclusive content and only some co-op. What do you think would happen? Now what do you think would happen if the two alignments were switched? This is what happened here.
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I was going to say 'codpieces', but it appears that the comics have already beaten that one into the ground.
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Originally Posted by Golden Girl
What costume parts should only men get? What kinds of clothing would women choose not to wear?
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"But in our enthusiasm, we could not resist a radical overhaul of the system, in which all of its major weaknesses have been exposed, analyzed, and replaced with new weaknesses."
-- Bruce Leverett, Register Allocation in Optimizing Compilers
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Would still think it was fair treatment though?
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Originally Posted by Tenzhi
If someone gives me an apple once a week, and gives a girl an orange, when they decide to start givin the girl an apple and an orange every week and I'm still getting an apple I would be foolish to think I was getting less.
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Types of Swords
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Except, y'know, instead of major items that would impact most of the player base you're carrying on about some genuinely insignificant visual frippery. |
Originally Posted by xhris
Anyway, let me make it more clear why someone could have a problem with this policy. If I'm not mistaken, the player summit is today. Let's say the devs announce that beginning with issue 24, all new content will be mostly hero exclusive, and villains will get no exclusive content and only some co-op. What do you think would happen? Now what do you think would happen if the two alignments were switched? This is what happened here.
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I don't doubt it's a big deal in your mind, but that doesn't mean anyone else cares.
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Probably. I don't like oranges. They are annoying to peel, and even once you do that they have all that icky dead skin on them.
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Originally Posted by Zyphoid
Would still think it was fair treatment though?
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
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As Reppu would say, that was dodging the actual question. Which is actually fine as I think we have already kicked this poor dead horse too much. |
Originally Posted by Tenzhi
Probably. I don't like oranges. They are annoying to peel, and even once you do that they have all that icky dead skin on them.
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Now if lack of female porting becomes the reason the Black Knight armor is not given to the players I scream hypocrites at the top of my lung (yes I only have one! >
) because of the CoL set they released.
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Then, why are you responding? You have a different opinion, now why are you trying to make everyone else agree with you? You can't be implying that costumes are not a big deal for this game's playerbase.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
I don't doubt it's a big deal in your mind, but that doesn't mean anyone else cares.
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But if you can't take part in a conversation without feeling the need to belittle all different opinions, I believe there are other ways to invest your time.
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If this is what passes as Extreme Sexism in 2012 I just have to say|
Originally Posted by xhris
Except that already happened when extreme sexism became the official company policy. And I'm not planning on funding this stupidity, which in the long run will only mean less and less costume options for me.
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America, you've come a long way baby.
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I hope you realise that in this specific context, extreme does not mean "in huge amount" but "approaching the furthest point from the centre". In this case, if you consider equal access to all costumes options for all body types to be the center of balance and complete lack of sexism, there are two extreme points for each sex which dictate exclusive access to certain items based on the sex of the character alone. |
Originally Posted by warden_de_dios
If this is what passes as Extreme Sexism in 2012 I just have to say
America, you've come a long way baby. |
Before, both extremes were represented equally and thus a sense of balance was achieved, but now, we're focusing on the female side of the spectrum alone.
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What part of the male side of the spectrum would be exclusive to men? Which part of it would women not want to wear?
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Originally Posted by xhris
Before, both extremes were represented equally and thus a sense of balance was achieved, but now, we're focusing on the female side of the spectrum alone.
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@Golden Girl
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Why are you posting?|
Originally Posted by xhris
Then, why are you responding?
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It's a forum- that's what we do here.
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| You have a different opinion, now why are you trying to make everyone else agree with you? |
Well, except this one guy....
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| But if you can't take part in a conversation without feeling the need to belittle all different opinions, I believe there are other ways to invest your time. |
And I don't consider it "belittling" your opinion to point out that you were wrong about the OFFICIAL NO NEW MEN STUFFS company line & noting that when it comes to feeling persecuted by this imaginary policy you stand alone as an Army of One.
There's nothing wrong with being the only passenger on the bus as long as you know how to drive it.
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Actually you were on break when it happened, but he is not alone. There were several of us that were very vocal. The best place to see it is in the thread where Dink announced converting the jackets.|
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
And I don't consider it "belittling" your opinion to point out that you were wrong about the OFFICIAL NO NEW MEN STUFFS company line & noting that when it comes to feeling persecuted by this imaginary policy you stand alone as an Army of One.
There's nothing wrong with being the only passenger on the bus as long as you know how to drive it. |
He is not alone, just a bit late to the party.
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Ah ok, my mistake.|
Originally Posted by Zyphoid
Actually you were on break when it happened, but he is not alone. There were several of us that were very vocal. The best place to see it is in the thread where Dink announced converting the jackets.
He is not alone, just a bit late to the party. |
I'm still not really feeling the poutrage, but I'm happy to acknowledge he's not the only member of the parade.
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It ended up that it was poorly presented, and not really correct. The new faces in this proves that. |
Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Ah ok, my mistake.
I'm still not really feeling the poutrage, but I'm happy to acknowledge he's not the only member of the parade. |
Zwill's unprofessional post was one ot Tommy Lee Jones looking over the paper at someone who asked about female ports to male models iirc. I have a feeling GG knew that and could have answered her own question.
Then Zwill said what he did about the new policy. It amounted to that females would get all the male/unisex items, AND unique parts of their own. This was on the heels (pardon the pun) of the female only CoL set.
It got a little ugly, and responses by GG didn't help any, big surprise right?
Any way, it all made it seem like males would not even get new faces or beards. That ended up not being the case.
That is the reader's digest version.
Types of Swords
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You asked that question more than 3 times and I believe I responded already. Anyway, I believe it would be best if all body types get access to all pieces, but since I realise this is not an efficient use of the available resources, keeping the gender specific items to a minimum would be ideal (not be reducing the number, but by porting as many as possible between the body types). |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
What part of the male side of the spectrum would be exclusive to men? Which part of it would women not want to wear?
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Now, I get to ask a question. Why would men choose not to wear the boots and gloves that women get in this pack. The gloves could be a direct port and the boots could get a smaller heel, but I don't see anything gender specific about these items. Are you against these pieces ported to male toons?
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
Why are you posting?
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
And I don't consider it "belittling" your opinion to point out that you were wrong about the OFFICIAL NO NEW MEN STUFFS company line & noting that when it comes to feeling persecuted by this imaginary policy you stand alone as an Army of One.
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And you feel the need to belittle my opinion when you hide snarky remarks here and there for no apparent reason. Maybe you weren't taught the basics of adult conversation, but no matter who you discuss with, even if you don't agree or understand their opinions, you're still expected to show a basic degree of respect.
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@Golden Girl
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Well I hope it's released soon then. I've been saving up my points!
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