Were purple recipe drops "adjusted"?


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In the last month and a half I've noticed that I get mostly temp power drops, and in fact haven't had a purple recipe drop in at least 90 days. Before that, I was getting them every week or two. I complained about this today in a PUG and was told that the drop rates had been adjusted downward. Is that true? Even using Windfall, I'm not getting any decent drops.


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Drops are controlled by the RNG gods.


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Purple drops have always been finicky like that. Since their introduction, there have been people who get them like clockwork every week (or day), or who get several at a time, or who get none for a month, or who get none ever. So, one person not getting any purple drops is not nearly enough to conclude that the drop rate has changed. In fact, unless you collect a huge amount of data (as in, far more than a single player can generate), it would be very difficult to conclude that, and the only people I am aware of with access to such data are the devs, and they probably don't need to guess at whether the drop rate was changed.


 

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I thought perhaps this had been announced somewhere, and I missed it.


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Ah. I apologize for the slightly rant-ish nature of my previous post; people fundamentally misunderstanding probability is a pet peeve of mine, frequently triggered by people asserting that drops have changed, with far-from-sufficient evidence to make such a claim. Asking, non-rhetorically, if drop rates have been changed is entirely different.

And no, drops have not been changed, to the best of my knowledge.


 

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I've actually gotten more purple drops in the last two months or so than ever before. Two in a span of about three missions not too long ago. Random is random and all that.

And I wouldn't worry too much about not getting them just because you used a Windfall. All that does is raise the chance for one from "squat" to "squat and a quarter."


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Originally Posted by Cerulean_Shadow View Post
In the last month and a half I've noticed that I get mostly temp power drops, and in fact haven't had a purple recipe drop in at least 90 days. Before that, I was getting them every week or two. I complained about this today in a PUG and was told that the drop rates had been adjusted downward. Is that true? Even using Windfall, I'm not getting any decent drops.

It is said by some that perception is reality. In that context, then yes, perhaps they have been.

I am not what I would call an "avid" farmer. I farm from time to time, maybe an hour or two each week. Some weeks more, some weeks less. Just depends on if I have a toon that needs a respec. I've read about the marketeers, lol. I'm not gonna be a party to sky high salvage when I can farm for it.

That being said, I have 3 level 50 tanks, and 1 level 50 brute.
Of the four, 3 are farm worthy, and 1 is faster at it than the others.

One tank has the freak map. Another has the council empire map.
Initially, without windfall, when my brute first got that mission, at level 46, fighting level 48's, my brute got it's first purple.
I decided since they seemed to melt a lot faster than freaks, and gave both kinds of salvage, arcane and tech, that it was a better farm. The first week, I got at least 1 purple every day.
Then - zippo. Right after a patch.

I took my tank in it, and zippo.

I put the other tank in the freak map and got 3 purples in two runs.

Droughts are going to happen. Windfalls guarantee nothing. They could increase the chance of purples dropping a great big number, but 1 billion times 1 is still one.

The devs have not mentioned how often a purple is expected to drop.
But, by my take and my blessings from the rng, I expect a purple to drop every 1250 baddies, irregardless of bosses or lts.

And, I will say, that I've gotten only slightly more purples from farming than from teaming. I've gotten purples on taskforces, incarnate trials and msrs.

Play your 50s, and they will drop. Maybe not every week, but they will drop.


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I've gotten 3!


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I got a rock


 

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I had one drop during a trial. I can't remember if it was BAF or Lambda but I'm leaning toward the latter.

It was my only drop outside threads, too.


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Originally Posted by Ukaserex View Post
but 1 billion times 1 is still one.

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Another data point: Made 975 million inf (minus market fee) on the hecatomb and ragnarok purples that dropped for me today. Sold em for 1 inf each.


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Originally Posted by Ukaserex View Post
but 1 billion times 1 is still one.
Okay, distinct maths fail, there, since a billion times one is definitely a billion.

However, a windfall isn't going to massively affect purple drops anyway, since the chance of them dropping is so small.

If we take a fairly standard number that's thrown around of 1 in 5000, then all a windfall will do is increase that to 3 in 10000. Still not huge odds.


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Originally Posted by Shadowe View Post
Okay, distinct maths fail, there, since a billion times one is definitely a billion.

However, a windfall isn't going to massively affect purple drops anyway, since the chance of them dropping is so small.

If we take a fairly standard number that's thrown around of 1 in 5000, then all a windfall will do is increase that to 3 in 10000. Still not huge odds.
oh....my.......if I didn't see my own words....I'd swear somebody was lying.

I'm just....stunned. Words just fail me, but glad someone pointed that out.

I think what I meant to say was a billion times zero is still zero - but that wouldn't have made sense in that context. Either way, I have told myself to just close my trap.


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Originally Posted by Cerulean_Shadow View Post
In the last month and a half I've noticed that I get mostly temp power drops, and in fact haven't had a purple recipe drop in at least 90 days. Before that, I was getting them every week or two. I complained about this today in a PUG and was told that the drop rates had been adjusted downward. Is that true? Even using Windfall, I'm not getting any decent drops.
Nope Random is as random does.

No i'm gonna take this out to left for a sec.

I think they should adjust the drop rates UP. Here's why:

with the announcement of converters the price for even the least useful purple drop is now in the 100 mill area. I have been following the prices closely since the announcement because I went in whole hog into sleep and confuse. I was buying them in the 1 mill-1.5 mill just after the announcement. In fact i was listening to the broadcast of the player summit while playing and instanly went to my marketing toons. I also know I am not alone. But what has happened is that prices have only gone up. ( and i got about 100 purples and pvpios)

as prices tend to go up thats no problem its a fact of life. but this is 100x in a month thats like hyperinflation on half of the purple sets.

the only exception I can see in game to this is that superpacks put so many merits onto the game that lotgs, numinas, miracles etc... are much cheaper now(maybe not forever , but, i think so)

So unless they put purples into the superpacks or some other way to increase supply or decrease value. This is what were gonna have to have the chance has to be lowered from 1/5000 (i think this is the correct number please correct me if i am wrong). Maybe to about 1/3000 - 1/3500.

I say this because the one other person i know that did this agreed with me that we will keep them. That way i never have to rely on the market. What this means is that they are gone. so the 100 + purples and 100+ pvpios that i have will not be converted and sold. I just wont ever need to marketeer a again also since i have way enough Influence and merits Ill never need influ again( i am sure there are many others they will do this or differently as suits them)

From my perspective without increasing supply they have actually created more demand and thus increased perceived value without supply. So while some Purple may come down from the 750-900 mill( currently last night i saw 2 kinds of Raganoks in that range) it may be only in the 400s or 300s. thats half. However sleeps and purples etc... are x100 value.

I hope this makes sense. I didnt get time to proof read wife wants me to go out on errands.


 

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I've only gotten one purple recipe in all the time I've played.


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with the announcement of converters the price for even the least useful purple drop is now in the 100 mill area.
I thought converters were only going to work with ATOs.


 

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I thought converters were only going to work with ATOs.
That is the catalyst mate.


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No, I thought converters would allow you to turn one ATO into another.
They will, but they will also work on things other than ATOs. Specifically, they will also work on IOs.


 

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If I'm remembering the details right, Catalysts only work on ATOs, Converters will work on ATOs and IOs.

Also, I got another purple last night, so... okay, it doesn't really prove anything. But they're still coming, and for me, significantly more frequently than they used to (which is still pretty infrequently).


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I've gotten 3 in the last week or so, after a drought in which I got 0 for almost a year.

Randomness and all.


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Yep, Purple drops, they are streaky. I dropped 9 in one week about 6 months ago. Then maybe 4 since, and none since December. Then 3 on one farm run last night, followed immediately by the same toon running on a different farm and getting total zilch.

My perceived reality:

1) Try to have more than 1 farmer and more than one farm per farmer. When I go back to a toon that has been idle a long time (at least a week off,) I seem to be luckier the first few runs. The three Purples last night were on a toon idle about 10 days on a farm idle much longer. The drech run that followed was on the farm he ran from those same 10 days ago.

2) Don't run the same farm over and over. I really seem to see a decline in ALL drop goodness when I do this (runs get to be all generic and yellow recipies and no rare salvage), and another NCSoft product has a stated anti-farming policy of giving declining returns for repeating the same missions, or sweeping the same zones too often, on any given Alt., anywhere. CoX has never, to the best of my knowledge, done that openly on anything but TF's and trials, but that does not mean it is not happening.

3) Play your 50's a lot. I mean a whole lot. All my personal friends whose reports I can trust, that have few if any Purple drops, have alt-itis bad, and don't play their 50's nearly as much as they think they do. Try playing your level 50's and only your level 50's for one week, every day, 4-8 hours a day, like I do sometimes, and your Purple droughts Will be shortened.

The above stratigies may or may not be actually doing me any good but it feels like it works .

Personally I think there ought to be a streak breaker that forces a purple drop of some sort for any toon with 10-15,000 qualified defeats, and resets on any purple drop.

Jak


 

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Hand to the sky, this is the truth. I got 3 yesterday. 2 Grav Anchors and a Coercive. Since I am working on 2 Doms for my roster this is very good timing indeed! I ran a lot of content yesterday, Lam, Keyes, UG, ITF, Synapse, Sis Psyche, another LAM and a BAF. May have left something out, trying to remember. I think the first dropped on the UG and two on the ITF. All dropped for the same character, that I ran all yesterday.

edit, TPN was what I left out! Missed getting a MoM, but ah well.


 

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Drops are controlled by the RNG gods.
It is true.

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