Rumors about the ressurection of Marcus Cole.

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Ok, I -was- trying to get all the way through this thread before I commented but....
1] DV, you are dumb, everyone here agrees and I'm mildly tempted to try poking a red name to see if we can start a poll to see how many people think so.
2] I read your "RP Lore" for all of Virtue to go by, or so you hope, and No. Just No. Yes, I wouldn't mind tapping Numi's ghostly self, but I'm not going to make a character godmod and be a suitor of hers.
3] I whole-heartedly agree with this strange alien concept of "Imagination" *queues rainbows* and even had a bit of an issue with someone who's entire concept is a Penny Yin clone, that they are so worried about having to rehash the story cause supposedly Penny is getting some updates in a future issue.
4] Don't hate the numbers or IO's, I have a few characters I made concepts for first, and then worked the build, and I've had some I build and work the concept later cause they get slow with the grinding.
I play the game cause I enjoy the plot, think the Dev's did a nice job making the canon, and think WoW sucks over all. I won't say people who play WoW suck, cause my uncle played it and when he passed away, his guildmates sent his widow flowers. So yeah, on that note, shut up and crawl back under your D&D table and see if anyone will let you be Dungeon Master... Maybe you can take Tiamat out on an adventure!

Let's not insult PnP roleplayers either. This sort of thing wouldn't fly with any group with whom I've RPed.

I wouldn't go that far, as it seemed more aimed at the RP community.

I'd say it's more akin to wanting to make his fanfiction canon (and fanfiction doesnt have to have an original character in it, but can have a non-original character be the surrogat character of the writer).

What I think Liz meant is that DV would be the type to actually USE Tiamat as his player character.

I don't have any screeenies of my chat window from the conversation and I don't make chat logs but, it was either Beastyle of Zwill. I don't remember which. Someone had shown up in Pocket D on Virtue server with a Statesman character and people started making comments about it. We were basically told that as long as we weren't trying to pose as NCSoft employees that it was fine.

I'm still calling BS on this.

I actually recall this as well. But I would of never thought "Oh hey let me screenie this"

But like has been said, the devs are very lienent on what you make, as what they want is for you to play and spend money.

that's why if you ask a dev, "Can I make so and so's child" they'll say yes (and have). That tends to be one of those RP comminity no-no's, but it isnt a rule of CoH itself.

That's exactly the character I thought of myself. So many people make derivatives of him...

There's a lot of different takes on canon. Some GMs use it extensively and let their players work along established NPCs. Some use it loosely; utilizing the setting more than the characters. Some create their own setting and characters so there's no canon except what they and their players create. I would say rarely (as in I've never seen it) would a GM let someone step into the role of an established character. Personally, the worlds I've enjoyed the most are ones that aren't saddled with the baggage of canonical settings and NPCs, but that's just me. Some do like the familiarity.

Spoken like the ignorant fool you clearly are. Ive had him since YEAR ONE. He has ecountered no few admin and GMs in that time at events including taking him to every official costume contest( never won but never claimed I was a costume design artist did I?) Feel free to log onto virtue and file a report about it. I am sure a few have tried in thier day.

I am also sure I mentioned how EVERYONE of my lore based characters I self reported the day I made them, and exchanged emails with admin over several days to make sure I was in full accord with the rules, and frequently recieved personal compliments from them over my use of lore.

the rest is more general as I am tired of multi posting. Ill try and catch all of you that I can.

Never anywhere have I ever EVER said what I wrote in the OP was to be seen as HOW IT HAD TO PLAY OUT! it like many other threads and posts atm was simply an offering on how using in game lore, including the new controversial ressurection ritual, a way to bring back marcus cole, THe Man, not the meta god.

I have said many times I know I am not the Only Bentley Berkeley others on other servers must of had some similar desire to take on the role. I would hate them no more then I hope adam west would hate on micheal keaton.

I never EVER use spell check, nor edit my posts, I have no insecurities and no need to play grammar cop to others posts nor my own. i figure I am as coherent as a person with english as a second language which is good enough to me. I frankly assume those who choose that route to attack someone has little real quality in thier nature to be honest.

On the subject of a controversial name like say Alphonse Crey or even my infamously mentioned Marcus Cole who I am not using yet, its just a name I have shelved for a long time, never even imagined the day would come that all the pieces would fall into place to make him potentially safe to use. But when they took him off the list of Dev characters he actually became fair game, still I wait out of respect for those who do love him to wait until all NPCs of states are removed from the game world.

However its funny you assume I MUST BE intent on using it to only portray OUR Primal Earth Marcus Cole. You know I myself have long thought marcus cole might be special aside from the whole well of furies. that maybe he is important on a multi versal scale, I long ago theorized he was something like The One and could tap into the shared power of his alternate selfs. The TF i rather loathe with Riechsman actually made me think I might be somewhat close to home with the way he is drawing upon his alterante self incarnates.

Did it ever even occur to anyone in thier haste to attack me so needlessly that perhaps I wanted to use the name to portray a completely different marcus cole? Maybe one from a completely unimagined earth, and with a new twist on his role in the cosmic scheme of things. Maybe a man who is nothing more then human until he taps into his alternate selfs. a perfect foil to a monster like tyrant, without being the meta gawd that was statesman. I cant imagine I am at all new or special in typically picking in game AVs and villain troups as personal foes for various characters. Is it so wrong to make a rival to Tyrant? I personally hated every variant of jacks ego and would happily play his Id bent on assassinating his ego and super ego.

Nor can I imagine many here really put all the blame for my vehemence on me considering the level of actual harrassment that has been going on here. and yes wheather some of you like to admit it or not you all chose to be uncivil first. My comment wowtard was said in an indirect fashion, if one chose to take it directed at them, that was thier choice.

If it's that important that you need verification of it you could always start a thread about whether or not it's ok to make characters that are meant to be the same chatacter as a signature character. Im sure a redname would respond eventually.

What the hell does that matter? I don't care if you have a character named Clark Kent since 'YEAR ONE', the name is STILL generic bait. You cannot play trademarked/copyrighted characters. End of story.

No, but I'm sure doing so is on the list.

Already did, champ.

By Patrick Stewart or Morgan Freeman.

People don't like being godmodded, fella. If you don't like the attitude seen here, stop telling people how to RP. Nobody is going to go along with your silly ideas so I suggest you either drop them, or RP solo. Either way, you're heading down a lonely road right now, and that's not a good place for a roleplayer.

By all means then...

Just stopping in to say that, despite what that person told you, I have indeed seen and known people that have been generic'd for the very thing you're suggesting is okay.

Thanks, Bosstone, you just managed to galvanise my thought processes.

This is what it boils down to.

Whether it's within the rules of the game or not is completely beside the point. I don't care one jot if the GMs allow players to use canon characters for toons. The problem is "do other RPers I interact with consent to agree that I am playing a canon character?" - because if they don't, there's no point playing them. And the overwhelming response here has been "no".

This is not to say that tying a character to lore is wrong, not by a long shot. It's to do with confidence about whether the use of an established character (even one only lightly covered in the game) will be a true representation of that character that the developers would accept as canonical.

Unless you can 100% guarantee that the developers will never utterly invalidate every single bit of RP between your character and mine, I do not accept your right to roleplay as a canon character. I do not consent to agreeing that your characterisation will be considered canonical.

That's what I meant earlier about "your group that allow...": if some people do consent to this, that's fine. But don't fall into the trap of believing that everyone automatically agrees, just because you have the character's name and bio written perfectly. Clearly they don't.

To borrow a phrase my mother likes to use: If one man calls you a [donkey], take no notice. If three men call you a [donkey], buy a saddle.

Was those people getting genericed recent? It's possible that NCSoft changed their stance on that and didn't bother to advertise it.

You can assume all you want. I could assume I'm the son of Emperor Quwarkenblitz of the Moon Empire.

That doesn't make it, or you, right.

Originally Posted by Zwillinger GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.

Originally Posted by Captain_Photon NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.

Did it ever occur to you that just because you've been playing dog in the manger on the name Marcus Cole for years that you don't get to be the 'perfect foil' to Tyrant? There are thousands of people that play this game. A good percentage of them are taking part in the incarnate content, which means that your character is far from unique. You aren't a special snowflake. You're one of thousands of people taking part in the war effort against praetorian earth, and no more important than the rest of them.