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So, in the vein of how it all started:

How would a zombie apocalypse start? We always see an apocalypse after it has gotten going in movies, TV, etc., but how would you imagine a patient zero?

1. Superbug created by some government gets out. (Think The Stand by Stephen King.)
2. Virus mutation and/or combination.
3. 1 & 2

A lot of the older movies used radiation/radioactive materials, an astronomical event (comet, etc.), or supernatural event. However, since we can pretty much rule these kinds of events out, are viruses really the only way this could happen?


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Some information was released about the final episode. Rick is going to reveal what Jenner whispered to him. I think it's going to be that everybody is already infected.

You die, you walk.

The only thing the bite does is give you an infection that kills you.
So... what if Lori's baby is stillborn? O.o


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1. Superbug created by some government gets out. (Think The Stand by Stephen King.)
2. Virus mutation and/or combination.
3. 1 & 2
You forgot:

4. Judgement Day (with all the graves giving up their dead)
5. Worldwide Voodoo curse (or a curse from any other religious and/or magic tradition)

I'm guessing it's Magic in this case.


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or the Andromeda Strain variation on #2 -- virus from outer space.


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You forgot:

4. Judgement Day (with all the graves giving up their dead)
5. Worldwide Voodoo curse (or a curse from any other religious and/or magic tradition)

I'm guessing it's Magic in this case.
A carrier arrives from some primitive area, say a missionary to the jungles of southeast Asia or the Congo, or possibly an explorer ala Emmet Cole. Maybe it was an activist trying to keep some jungle from getting cut down and breathed in some spores or something from the disturbed ground (the workers in the area are also infected the same way). They get into an accident here like a car accident or a mugging and get transported to a hospital where they die. They come back and start nomming on the hospital staff. Additionally, the people around them are infected via them breathing out the infection while still alive.

Not an epidimeologist so I have no idea if that's a viable scenario.

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So, in the vein of how it all started:

How would a zombie apocalypse start? We always see an apocalypse after it has gotten going in movies, TV, etc., but how would you imagine a patient zero?

1. Superbug created by some government gets out. (Think The Stand by Stephen King.)
2. Virus mutation and/or combination.
3. 1 & 2

A lot of the older movies used radiation/radioactive materials, an astronomical event (comet, etc.), or supernatural event. However, since we can pretty much rule these kinds of events out, are viruses really the only way this could happen?
I wouldn't say a virus would be the only way a scenario like this could possibly happen in real life, but it's probably the most "plausible" way if you're keeping an open mind about it.

There have been real life attempts to blame actual diseases (such as Porphyria) as being the causes of things like vampirism and lycanthropy. So it's at least semi-believable to think that there might be a mutated/isolated virsus scenario that could cause people to become violently mindless and have their bodies waste away in a zombie-like manner. I'm not sure you'd have a true "undead" thing happening in a supernatural sense, but diseases could mimic the appearance of the fictional idea behind undead-ness.


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or the Andromeda Strain variation on #2 -- virus from outer space.
Actually this idea is -very- possible considering just how likely it is that there's at least microbial life floating around out there. Given what we've learned about places like Europa and Titan it's possible we may end up sending probes to these places that will come back with samples. And given how badly transplanted diseases have affected us in the past (like for example how the European explorers brought Small Pox to the New World) it's absolutely realistic an exo-virus could totally mess us up.


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So, in the vein of how it all started:

How would a zombie apocalypse start? We always see an apocalypse after it has gotten going in movies, TV, etc., but how would you imagine a patient zero?

1. Superbug created by some government gets out. (Think The Stand by Stephen King.)
2. Virus mutation and/or combination.
3. 1 & 2

A lot of the older movies used radiation/radioactive materials, an astronomical event (comet, etc.), or supernatural event. However, since we can pretty much rule these kinds of events out, are viruses really the only way this could happen?
Given what we curently have in existence today, there's also parasitic infection like toxoplasmosis with an attitude (and toxo does seem to effect human behaviour in ways similar to what it does to rats in some minor ways according to some studies), fungal infection like some insects get which take over their bodies to assist it in reproducing and Prions like Mad Cow Disease which seem to be able to do a host of insane things we've only scratched the surface of. It's also possible (but VERY unlikely) that a disease from any of the usual known disease causes could mutate into something that damages parts of the brain creating "zombie-like" symptoms as a mental illness. Then there's the possibility of mass hysteria on a so far unseen scale.


 

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If there was ever a "zombie-like" event, I think it would be more like the 28 Days Later. They're not undead, but people have stopped being... well... people. But unless the infection takes a while to incubate, controlling the outbreak might not be as difficult.

If, like in 28 Days Later, the infection is nearly instant, well, it might spread fast at first. Eventually media coverage would allow for people to set up blockades before the infection reached their location. At first a lot of people would be lost, but you could catch up to the diseases pace since zombie-like behavior isn't intelligent. It would have to spread on foot, and that buys people time to protect themselves. And, unless they're smart enough to eat food, the infection would die out eventually as zombies die out.

BUT! If the infection took time to incubate. Say, a 24-48 hour period, well, you could have a global pandemic much more easily. You'd have people infecting people before anyone saw the first zombie. Then you'd hear about a few weird cases here and there. In different cities. People going crazy and attacking others. But it could still take a day or two before someone connects the dots. At that point, you've got a contagion you can't keep track of because so many people have been exposed at this point who seem perfectly healthy. And worse, you've got a planet of 7 billion in mostly concentrated areas. It'd be pretty bad.

I think I've been thinking about this too much...


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I think I've been thinking about this too much...
It's not only a question of how fast it would incubate but also how it would spread. If it was only transmitted by contact or blood then it might be possible to set up effective quarantine areas before everything went to heck. But if it was airborne and it got out for a few days to let airline passengers spread it around then it'd probably be relatively unstoppable.

Actually there was a sci-fi story (can't recall the name ATM) that focused on a nuclear submarine crew that ended up being the only people left alive because some mysterious disease wiped out everyone in just a few days but left them safe because they were deep underwater for many weeks. Obviously they lost contact with their base and had to figure out what had happened. They ended up travelling around the world for a few years looking for survivors and when they found none they decided to stop on some Pacific island and live out the rest of their lives there. I suppose that story could have easily had the disease be one that created zombies instead - might be cool to think there were subs still active like that in the Walking Dead story.


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It's not only a question of how fast it would incubate but also how it would spread...
I was just assuming a highly communicable infection. Air born or by touching things someone else has touched. But yeah, that plays a big part.

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I suppose that story could have easily had the disease be one that created zombies instead - might be cool to think there were subs still active like that in the Walking Dead story.
Don't forget astronauts. Those guys would be so screwed.


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Actually this idea is -very- possible considering just how likely it is that there's at least microbial life floating around out there. Given what we've learned about places like Europa and Titan it's possible we may end up sending probes to these places that will come back with samples. And given how badly transplanted diseases have affected us in the past (like for example how the European explorers brought Small Pox to the New World) it's absolutely realistic an exo-virus could totally mess us up.
See, I think that scenario is one of the least plausible, aside from magic. The possibility that a virus that evolved independently of life on earth being deadlyvto us is actually pretty slim. Though I suppose it could be something engineered to affect us bt a sentient alien intelligence.


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Heard a radio interview with Kirkman this morning. He basically reiterated what was posted earlier, that the story isn't so much about trying to solve the mystery as these aren't the type of people for that kind of story.

But he said that their writing team does have a pathology behind how the zombies work.
For example, why some people on the highway apparently died in their cars but didn't become zombies.

While other people seem to take longer to turn than others, like Shane becoming a zombie so quickly. There's more to that than simply because they were in a crunch for time to fit that in.

Also, while we won't ever see marathon sprinter-zombies, "fresh" corpses will tend to be more agile and retain more motor functions than those of more rotted corpses that will mimic the old Romero style zombies.


 

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Actually there was a sci-fi story (can't recall the name ATM) that focused on a nuclear submarine crew that ended up being the only people left alive because some mysterious disease wiped out everyone in just a few days but left them safe because they were deep underwater for many weeks. Obviously they lost contact with their base and had to figure out what had happened. They ended up travelling around the world for a few years looking for survivors and when they found none they decided to stop on some Pacific island and live out the rest of their lives there. I suppose that story could have easily had the disease be one that created zombies instead - might be cool to think there were subs still active like that in the Walking Dead story.
Vaguely reminds me of the novel On the Beach but that was about the fallout from a total nuclear war eventually wiping out all of humanity.


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See, I think that scenario is one of the least plausible, aside from magic. The possibility that a virus that evolved independently of life on earth being deadlyvto us is actually pretty slim. Though I suppose it could be something engineered to affect us bt a sentient alien intelligence.
Well let's put it this way: I'm not currently breathing through a gas mask or wearing a biohazard suit because I expect a virus from Omicron Persei 8 to get me later today.

Still when/if we ever do find life from another planet and when/if we ever bring any of it back to Earth I'm reasonably sure they would probably study it under quarantine for literally years before they ever considered it "safe" enough to release into the general environment.


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I'm not currently breathing through a gas mask or wearing a biohazard suit because I expect a virus from Omicron Persei 8 to get me later today.
So why are you breathing through a gas mask/wearing a bio suit?

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Vaguely reminds me of the novel On the Beach but that was about the fallout from a total nuclear war eventually wiping out all of humanity.
The book World War Z had a Chinese nuclear sub crew that survived after being out of touch with China for a while, and basically went rogue. They found an island where people with boats were gathering and trading supplies, and basically powered everyone else with their nuclear reactor in exchange for food and other goods. Was a pretty interesting take on who would survive some of these encounters.


I would imagine that there have to be larger pockets of life surviving in the Walking Dead, but since they really haven't gone all that far from where they started, the characters just haven't encountered them yet. I am looking forward to next week's episode, though, since it seems like they're going to be facing off against a good number of the creatures.


I would love to figure out what exactly is the cause of the zombies, even if the characters don't, or at least figure out why some people come back as walkers and others just die.


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Well, that's one plot thread that's not-gunna-happen.



 

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Did you see who came up to Andrea?


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Pretty much played out the way I expected.

Meaning, we shouldn't have a weak start up to season 3.


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Well, that was a pretty epic ending of the season.

By the way, if a zombie infestation ever breaks out, I want Herschel's gun. What was that, 50 shots from a shotgun? Yes, please.


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I admit it. I squeed when Michonne was on screen.

And Rick grew a pair. Finally. Though, I wanted him to say to them, "What would you have done if I had told you? Huh?". Him telling them that would've killed the last bit of hope that they had. I don't fault him in the slightest.

And Laurie. Acting all high and mighty after finding out he killed Shane.

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By the way, if a zombie infestation ever breaks out, I want Herschel's gun. What was that, 50 shots from a shotgun? Yes, please.
He did reload a couple times, but still. Federal law limits the amount of shots that can be in a pump-action. Think they're made to only hold like 5 in the reservoir and 1 in the chamber. Plus, if you get fire shooting back out of the ejector, you got serious problems with your gun.



 

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And Laurie. Acting all high and mighty after finding out he killed Shane.
No kidding. Two weeks ago "Rick, you have to kill Shane before he kills you and claims me and Carl." This week. "You animal! How could you kill Shane just because he was trying to kill you."

The dialogue in this was terrible though. Rick turned into Shane and Carol turned into Dale. The Jerk and the whiner.


I did admire the gunplay in this episode though. Everybody made the experts from top shot look like rank amateurs.

Firing rapid fire in darkness? Every shot a headshot.
Firing from a fast moving bouncing vehicle? Every shot a headshot.
Firing backwards while running at a sprint? Every... well, you get the point.


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Ya, I lol'd at that. I can't hit the broadside of a barn when I'm in the passenger seat in a Warthog in Halo 3, yet these guy are plugging 'em like it ain't no thang.

And Rick's right, in a way. In a situation like that, a democracy just doesn't work. You can't sit and debate while Rome is burning around you. When you're deciding what crops to plant and people are voicing their opinions? Ya, that's fine. People need strong leaders to take charge of a situation. I think he did the right thing by telling them his way or the highway.