Coyote Travel Power on the Market Today
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Posted on: 2012-01-24 01:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Yes, you have your reasons for disliking the super packs, and they have their reasons for disliking the coyote power.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Yes, and I've given the reasons why.
One more time; 1) The Coyote power contains nothing more than that. If you don't like it, then you can and likely will ignore it. 2) This covers the majority of stuff on the market; pet powers, costume sets, etc. You can also buy single parts from costume sets. 3) The super packs do NOT follow this rule, and instead, if you want the costume parts, you are forced to gamble for them. There is also no other way to get them outside of the packs (yet) 4) Ergo, the Coyote power is 'right' in that you can easily ignore it and not lay down money on it. The Packs are 'wrong' in that they gate options and force people who want the parts to gamble or never get the parts, which is a very poor option for something you would actually like. 5) Thus, calling the Coyote power 'stupid' or 'broken' is illogical, because you can simply ignore it if you don't like it. Doing the same with the Super Packs, as a LOT of people have done, is due to the luck based nature of unlocks and what many people view as unfair exclusivity. |
Obviously you think your reasons are better than theirs, likely they think their reasons are better than yours.
I personally think you're all making too big a deal of things.
The point is, that it is all a matter of opinion. Yet, despite that, you can't see how you're being hypocritical at all by criticizing someone else for their complaints while refusing to see how the exact same point can be applied to you.
Yes, you think your reasons are good enough to "pass", but they think the same about their opinions. Ultimately, whose opinion is more justified is just a matter of opinion itself. If you think you should be allowed to voice your opinion without criticism, you should think the same about theirs.
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| Now, does that make it as clear as it should be? |
And no, I'm not just "taking digs" for the hell of it. I'm trying to point out the absurdity in you trying to claim that is okay for you to complain about the super packs whenever you feel like it, in whatever thread just comes to hand, while at the same time criticising others for complaining, while their complaints are at least in an appropriate thread, just because the super packs are so bad they somehow absolve you of any hypocrisy.
Main Hero: Mazey - level 50 + 1 fire/fire/fire blaster.
Main Villain: Chained Bot - level 50 + 1 Robot/FF Mastermind.
BattleEngine - "And the prize for the most level headed response ever goes to Mazey"
Don't be so quick to presume that you have understanding... Look at what actually transpired instead of the imagined mess you've stated it to have been.
Tech was not responding to anyone saying that it needed this or that... simply that it was worthless, just like "Walk" and even the Magic Carpet.
Once again, this is why he brought up the Super Packs as a legitimate complaint. If you don't want something, you don't have to complain about it and call it worthless. Clearly the developers do care about role-playing and such.
Here, take a look:
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Originally Posted by FalconX_NA
I find this power to be utterly useless, and a waste of money/points. I tried it out on the Test Server and was not impressed. Frankly I'm getting tired of these useless travel powers, the hover board was a cool concept, the magic carpet was really pushing it, and this...this is just...I don't even, this is nothing more than an RPer's power, like the walk power,hover board and magic carpet, they all have no functionality at all, other than, "Hey guys look what I have!". Really I think the devs need to work on other more important stuff than this. Also really, 600 points for this crap? Do not want.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Well wow, guess what? Newsflash but, in an MMORPG some people, shock horror, like to RP!
So, you know what? You don't like it? Don't flipping buy it. It's not rocket science. And they already had the four legged rig from the various wolf projects, so its not like it'd take ages and ages of Dev time and resources (comparatively), and certainly not enough to make much else. |
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Originally Posted by rsclark
I think if your superhero chooses to be less useful and more vulnerable it's probably not a RP choice unless you're playing Charlie the Super Masochist.
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Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Yes, because if you're not smiting foes each and every nanosecond that you are logged into the game, then you might as well uninstall it and set your computer on fire, right?
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
This. Thank you.
Seriously, people. If it was the darned mess that was the Super packs before they let us know there would eventually be a way to get the Elemental Order costume parts another way, then sure, it'd be a valid complaint (costume set that requires what is essentially gambling to have a shot at getting is not cool) But, unless people are actually having Paragon employed goons come around and mash their heads into the keyboards until they click 'Buy'....seriously, what the heck are you kvetching about? Don't buy the damn thing if you don't want to! Like I did with the Gunslinger set, except for the cigarette, because I thought the rest was dross that I didn't need. But I'm sure other people find use for it. Deal. |
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Compare your post to any of mine and then ask yourself who is screaming. Somehow, I manage to make posts without the need for inappropriate capitalization and excessive exclamation points - call it a gift. Sometimes I think people who get mad at me have mirrors installed over their monitors.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Nope nope. You just don't understand. If he doesn't like it, HE DOESN'T LIKE IT!!!
He's gonna scream and whine and complain about it until it gets pulled from the market, because if you disagree with him then clearly, you are wrong! |
But, to the topic...
They made a cosmetic power that in almost all cases is worse than using nothing at all. It takes a supreme degree of fanboy-ism to call that a good design. It's not quite as bad as the pathetic invis power you can buy, but the point is that it could easily be a better power with just minimal effort. Instead, they phoned this one in.
Then you have the aspect of lazy argumentation where people feel they can throw in "roleplaying" as a justification for anything they can't be bothered to come up with a real reason for.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
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Then you have the aspect of lazy argumentation where people feel they can throw in "roleplaying" as a justification for anything they can't be bothered to come up with a real reason for. |
Yes, because a character looking like a coyote should have appeal to it beyond wanting the character to look like a coyote, because people should feel the pull to use such a power for some game mechanical reason and not simply for the desire to have their character look like/be a coyote... because?
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
My real question about this is since this is a new skeleton and such and it'd be rather wasteful to only do the pet and the coyote run power... how long till we see full beast powers and perhaps a cat run power ^.^
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That's incredible irony considering how much you seem to be misunderstanding what I'm saying.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Don't be so quick to presume that you have understanding... Look at what actually transpired instead of the imagined mess you've stated it to have been.
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Tech was not responding to anyone saying that it needed this or that... simply that it was worthless, just like "Walk" and even the Magic Carpet. Once again, this is why he brought up the Super Packs as a legitimate complaint. If you don't want something, you don't have to complain about it and call it worthless. Clearly the developers do care about role-playing and such. |
Which is precisely what people who didn't like the super packs have been told repeatedly by various people.
Yes he thinks his complaint is more valid than other people's, everyone does, whether they admit it or not.
Why must I accept his rants as valid when he doesn't accept other peoples?
Because his complaints are "better"? Who gets to decide that?
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Main Hero: Mazey - level 50 + 1 fire/fire/fire blaster.
Main Villain: Chained Bot - level 50 + 1 Robot/FF Mastermind.
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Originally Posted by Durakken
My real question about this is since this is a new skeleton and such and it'd be rather wasteful to only do the pet and the coyote run power... how long till we see full beast powers and perhaps a cat run power ^.^
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Also, the Tier 9 pet from dark control uses to dog model.
I'm sure there'll be more too.
@True Metal
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Originally Posted by Mazey
Yep, those are all the post's I've read before, and checked back on repeatedly.
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Originally Posted by Mazey
Yep, he was basically telling people who were complaining about something to just shut up and not buy it if they don't like it.
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Originally Posted by Mazey
Which is precisely what people who didn't like the super packs have been told repeatedly by various people.
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Pretty simple and drastic difference and also a pretty simple reason for why Tech brought it up to say, If you think it is worthless... SO WHAT? If you had some further complaint about it... I could understand... but just because YOU think it is worthless does not make it worthless. It has a lot of value to others.
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Originally Posted by Mazey
Yes he thinks his complaint is more valid than other people's, everyone does, whether they admit it or not.
Why must I accept his rants as valid when he doesn't accept other peoples? Because his complaints are "better"? Who gets to decide that? |
You are the one taking issue with it, out of context, applying greater significance to it.
You don't have to accept anything Tech says (and I wouldn't accept unwrapped candy form him either!).
However, you were wrong to claim that he had no point in bringing up what he did.
If you want to champion for people making posts that something is worthless because it doesn't appeal to them... go right ahead! You're doing it already!
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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Yes, the ability to act like a coyote and have the environment respond to you as if you were a coyote.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
LOL
Yes, because a character looking like a coyote should have appeal to it beyond wanting the character to look like a coyote, |
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| because people should feel the pull to use such a power for some game mechanical reason and not simply for the desire to have their character look like/be a coyote... because? |
It would be a strange pen-and-paper roleplaying session where one player just sat there imagining himself as a coyote with his eyes closed and never bothered telling the GM. When you're in a computer game and the mechanics (ie. surrogate GM) don't support it, that's pretty much all your "roleplaying" amounts to.
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Interesting... But the character does interact with the environment as a coyote. The coyote is able to run and get around pretty quickly. Not as quickly as someone with Super Speed, but they can dart around pretty well.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
Yes, the ability to act like a coyote and have the environment respond to you as if you were a coyote.
Sure, that's fine. But it has nothing at all to do with roleplaying. It would be a strange pen-and-paper roleplaying session where one player just sat there imagining himself as a coyote with his eyes closed and never bothered telling the GM. When you're in a computer game and the mechanics (ie. surrogate GM) don't support it, that's pretty much all your "roleplaying" amounts to. |
And role-playing in a video game is not entirely based around the game mechanics, so it is not remotely the same thing as sitting their with your eyes closed and imagining.
@Zethustra
"Now at midnight all the agents and the superhuman crew come out
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
and round up everyone that knows more than they do"-Dylan
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The distinction between "people" and "person" doesn't effect my point at all.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Not very thoroughly...
Nope. He was replying to a person who said it was worthless. rsclark chimed in with a jab at Tech's post and Coyote_Seven chimed in against rsclark, but the entire gist of what Tech said was directed at that single post. |
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| Again, THE DIFFERENCE. "Don't like it? Don't buy it" isn't the solution to people's issue with the Super Packs. They like and want to buy the pet and costumes. They can't just buy them, because they're being delivered in an odd way. So, they're voicing their opinions about that odd way it is being delivered. |
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| Pretty simple and drastic difference and also a pretty simple reason for why Tech brought it up to say, If you think it is worthless... SO WHAT? If you had some further complaint about it... I could understand... but just because YOU think it is worthless does not make it worthless. It has a lot of value to others. |
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| He simply stated something to a rather shallow complaint. |
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| You are the one taking issue with it, out of context, applying greater significance to it. |
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| You don't have to accept anything Tech says (and I wouldn't accept unwrapped candy form him either!). |
But, given he's just dismissing other people's opinions as less valid than he own, what reason do I have to not do the same with his?
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That changes everything!
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Main Hero: Mazey - level 50 + 1 fire/fire/fire blaster.
Main Villain: Chained Bot - level 50 + 1 Robot/FF Mastermind.
BattleEngine - "And the prize for the most level headed response ever goes to Mazey"
Nope. Had I been saying Coyote was just fine, but that the Jetboard was 'all wrong' then, yes, I'd be a hypocrite, given the two are direct analogues of each other. The example I used was not, and is therefore open to comparison.
But, really, given all the passive aggressive jabs and such (really, I've brought Super Packs up on two other occasions, both in threads already talking about them), I think we're done here.
In fact, I think this thread is pretty much done. Although I could bottle this stuff and sell it in weaponised form. That would be a neat project.
Cave Johnson, we're done here.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Originally Posted by rsclark
Compare your post to any of mine and then ask yourself who is screaming. Somehow, I manage to make posts without the need for inappropriate capitalization and excessive exclamation points - call it a gift. Sometimes I think people who get mad at me have mirrors installed over their monitors.
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Well, I guess we know who thinks a bit highly of themselves around here.
Really, just about everything you've said in this entire can be condensed to "I don't like it, because it does nothing useful." And "Because I don't like it, I don't think it should even be available for anyone else."
But yeah, somehow I'm the irrational one. Go figure.
So just as a thought... It would be nice if the coyote power had either a stealth or a -aggro field around it. I mean, the carpet and jetboard get vertical movement, and beastrun/ninja run can be used while fighting. So the coyote power probably needs something to help it stack up, not to mention help it survive traveling.
Jay Doherty: Yes, there was this one night that I was ready to go home but had to drop the browns off at the super bowl before I left for home. While on the throne it hit me. I stayed for a few more hours and that why we have the pain pads in the game.
MY personal problem with powers such as this, and others, is that in a game that prides itself on personalization, powers such as these kill it.
If it were a 'canine' power, with the ability to choose different models/colors/sizes at the tailor, I'd pay 800 points for that... even more. I'd buy a 'feline' or 'reptile' set at the same price point without question. As it is, it's a complete pass (which if you check my namesake is saying something!) It's the same problem I had with the German Shepard vanity pet, or any other version that later comes out. The price is too high for something so specific (especially with the 'single summon' aspect they have added.
Before this, I even consoled myself on the fact that I was going to buy everything they put on the market because I was a 'fanboy' like that... but have since decided that I'm actually going to be picky.
What? In a few months there'll be a "White Wolf" transformation power that'll detoggle you for 800 points. A few months after that, they'll make a "Grey Wolf" that does the same thing... for 800 points. Who knows... maybe they'll get crazy and make a "Black Wolf" power that does the same thing a few months later... for the same point cost! Say they fix it all and make it supression instead? Still... too much for something so specific. Then if they don't, I'd want one that matched my color scheme, and there's the catch with such specific powers.
Not cool in any context, and I can't, and won't support that behavior. The first jab to cover expenses in creating it to begin with, I can support... but to be honest, I didn't because I expected this very thing (seeing as how you couldn't customize the rocket boards either). When they come out with a 'Brown Wolf' version, I might consider it because it'd match my namesake. but with the awesome character creator we have now, I can get a 'fox' version for free between it, and beast-run with my Kitsune (which still wouldn't interest me in getting the Coyote pack... because.... yeah, and we're back at square one).
I LOVE this game. However, the current market trends make it easy for me to not waste my Paragon Points on these things, and will make me more cautious on purchases later on.
(This is from a guy who got the rocket board and magic carpet on impulse, knowing that they were the same thing, for concept reasons)
EDIT: THIS is why I have a Lycanthrope main, but NEVER wanted a shapeshift power to exist in-game. From the time of Granite Armor and MM pets, I KNEW that any shapeshifting set would KILL the personalization anyone has for characters in game. Other games have proved this, before and since. This round of power availabilty and the methods they have chosen to present them only continues my pessimism in that regard. The costume creator gives us enough. If we're lacking, THAT'S where they need to add it. NOT a powerset/travel power...
Again, I LOVE this game, but decisions like these will only hurt it on the long run.
"I play characters. I have to have a very strong visual appearance, backstory, name, etc. to get involved with a character, otherwise I simply won't play it very long. I'm not an RPer by any stretch of the imagination, but character concept is very important for me."- Back Alley Brawler
I couldn't agree more.
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Not particularly. Even a player character is rather limited within the game environment but at least they can control their body, use emotes, sit down when they want to, *WALK* when they don't want to run, and use gifts that they were born with/perfected/learned/obtained in their life.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
Interesting... But the character does interact with the environment as a coyote.
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I'm pretty sure a coyote does more than run, jump, scratch itself and sit. Hell, even just some minute control of your actions would have been preferred.
Your counter-argument about the super packs, while noted, still don't hold water in my book. It's a delivery system that, by no means, is ineffective (because effective and desirable aren't the same thing). They can deliver a variety of different rewards as well as occasionally a one-oft costume unlock. Just because you *WANT* the costumes out of it doesn't mean that is what the devs intent was by adding such costumes to the table of Super Packs. Besides, the things you get from the gamble, none of them are undesirable and are all great prizes. The coyote travel power leaves much to be desired.
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Originally Posted by Lycantropus
EDIT: THIS is why I have a Lycanthrope main, but NEVER wanted a shapeshift power to exist in-game. From the time of Granite Armor and MM pets, I KNEW that any shapeshifting set would KILL the personalization anyone has for characters in game. Other games have proved this, before and since. This round of power availabilty and the methods they have chosen to present them only continues my pessimism in that regard. The costume creator gives us enough. If we're lacking, THAT'S where they need to add it. NOT a powerset/travel power...
Again, I LOVE this game, but decisions like these will only hurt it on the long run. |
-Coyote Travel Power (and dog vanity pets): a cheap way to help this power? Do the same thing as with the vet buff pets; you have an e-mail that you claim the pet, a prompt window pops up asking which one you want out of a list of various colors (brown, white, black, blue, green, yellow, orange, red...simple) and then you're granted a power that swaps your skeleton for one of the specified color. Asking for stealth now is probably out of the question as the power is already fast enough.
-Pets/Granite/Epic ATs: they really need to add, instead of customizable models, just alternate themes to add variety. If you can make a power activate a different effect just by use of some kind of 'mode' (see: Titan Weapon's Momentum), you should be able to 'perma' put someone in a different mode and call up alternate models when activating a certain power. Or they can just get on the ball and add it properly to the costume creator instead of trying a work around...but ya know, if doing that is taking years, maybe they should just buck up and use that work around...
-Pool Customization: You know? I don't give a crap about Staff Melee or even Darkness Control. I mean, yeah they're cool but...I haven't even gotten around to playing Street Justice or making a concept for Time Manipulation yet. I'd have rather the devs drop all these new set non-sense, added all the costumes to super packs (so you'd gamble for the costumes) and actually *FINISH* power customization. Because, on this time line, it'll never get done. Might as well never to expect pool customization at all unless you still plan to be playing 4+ years down the line...
...but then, I'm usually wrong about these kind of things so who knows...
It is pretty
Enjoy your day please.
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Originally Posted by Leo_G
-Coyote Travel Power (and dog vanity pets): a cheap way to help this power? Do the same thing as with the vet buff pets; you have an e-mail that you claim the pet, a prompt window pops up asking which one you want out of a list of various colors (brown, white, black, blue, green, yellow, orange, red...simple) and then you're granted a power that swaps your skeleton for one of the specified color. Asking for stealth now is probably out of the question as the power is already fast enough. |
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| -Pets/Granite/Epic ATs: they really need to add, instead of customizable models, just alternate themes to add variety. If you can make a power activate a different effect just by use of some kind of 'mode' (see: Titan Weapon's Momentum), you should be able to 'perma' put someone in a different mode and call up alternate models when activating a certain power. Or they can just get on the ball and add it properly to the costume creator instead of trying a work around...but ya know, if doing that is taking years, maybe they should just buck up and use that work around... |
Last time we got word on this, it was to the tune of "Adding more to Granite and Kheld forms is really, really damn hard." Because bare in mind you need to have an entire new model that doesn't break, and that can manage ALL the animations the other models do, if not more. That's not easy to do, as far as I know.
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-Pool Customization: You know? I don't give a crap about Staff Melee or even Darkness Control. I mean, yeah they're cool but...I haven't even gotten around to playing Street Justice or making a concept for Time Manipulation yet. I'd have rather the devs drop all these new set non-sense, added all the costumes to super packs (so you'd gamble for the costumes) and actually *FINISH* power customization. Because, on this time line, it'll never get done. Might as well never to expect pool customization at all unless you still plan to be playing 4+ years down the line... ...but then, I'm usually wrong about these kind of things so who knows... |
Yes, I want pool customisation too. So do a LOT of people. BUT, as far as we know, that also takes a hell of a lot of coding time, mostly to do with UI and powers and the like. Again, we have NO clue how hard this is, other than it's taken this long with them in full knowledge of our wants, ergo it must be quite damn hard.
And bare in mind that a LOT of people have asked for new sets, such as Staff Fighting, for quite some time. This game is simply not about any one person. I mean, hell, if it was down to me then the production schedule woulda been COMPLETELY different, and there probably would have been an equal if not more hacked off people than normal.
And yeah, all costume options in the freaking gambling packs is the worst idea since Unique Dragon. EVER.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Of course it has to do with the User Interface, that's why it's taking so long and adding insult to injury, the more extra stuff they add the harder making an all encompassing UI gets. So, as time moves forward, more pools added, more options wanted, more staff join and leave Paragon Studios, it's not going to get easier, that's for sure...|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
I think you might want to go easy on all that slag throwing, Leo. I'm pretty damn sure if it was anywhere near easy, it woulda been done by now.
Last time we got word on this, it was to the tune of "Adding more to Granite and Kheld forms is really, really damn hard." Because bare in mind you need to have an entire new model that doesn't break, and that can manage ALL the animations the other models do, if not more. That's not easy to do, as far as I know. |
Unless they discover a genius to hire that comes up with a solution that basically makes all that "It's hard! And it'll be a lot of work" talk into hogwash like what happened with Power Customization 0.5 (and not saying PC was easy, but the solution they used ended up being a lot less work than they initially explained)...We can only hope.
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ALL costume in the Super Packs?! Uh....what? Just...what the hell are you smoking now? And yeah, all costume options in the freaking gambling packs is the worst idea since Unique Dragon. EVER. |
*Shakes finger at TA*
I'd suggest just embracing the Super Packs. I quite like them myself. I've been needing something to spend my extra points on besides costumes and powersets that's actually worth the expense.
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Originally Posted by Lycantropus
Again, I LOVE this game, but decisions like these will only hurt it on the long run.
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@Golden Girl
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This always cracks me up. Even when the devs come and flat out tell us that something is working exactly as they intended some people cling to the delusion that whatever it is must be broken because they personally don't like the way it works.
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Originally Posted by Lycantropus
Say they fix it all and make it supression instead?
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I feel dirty agreeing with GG on anything. |
Originally Posted by Golden Girl
No it won't
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I wish the coyote power had a butt scootch mode. |
Originally Posted by CommunistPenguin
So just as a thought... It would be nice if the coyote power had either a stealth or a -aggro field around it. I mean, the carpet and jetboard get vertical movement, and beastrun/ninja run can be used while fighting. So the coyote power probably needs something to help it stack up, not to mention help it survive traveling.
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No kidding, the world would be a much better place if everyone just accepted things because the people in charge said they were working as intended.
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Originally Posted by Forbin_Project
This always cracks me up. Even when the devs come and flat out tell us that something is working exactly as they intended some people cling to the delusion that whatever it is must be broken because they personally don't like the way it works.
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Goodbye may seem forever
Farewell is like the end
But in my heart's the memory
And there you'll always be
-- The Fox and the Hound
But you're quite happy to tell them off for criticising the coyote power and then move right on to criticising the super packs yourself.
One more time;
1) The Coyote power contains nothing more than that. If you don't like it, then you can and likely will ignore it.
2) This covers the majority of stuff on the market; pet powers, costume sets, etc. You can also buy single parts from costume sets.
3) The super packs do NOT follow this rule, and instead, if you want the costume parts, you are forced to gamble for them. There is also no other way to get them outside of the packs (yet)
4) Ergo, the Coyote power is 'right' in that you can easily ignore it and not lay down money on it. The Packs are 'wrong' in that they gate options and force people who want the parts to gamble or never get the parts, which is a very poor option for something you would actually like.
5) Thus, calling the Coyote power 'stupid' or 'broken' is illogical, because you can simply ignore it if you don't like it. Doing the same with the Super Packs, as a LOT of people have done, is due to the luck based nature of unlocks and what many people view as unfair exclusivity.
Now, does that make it as clear as it should be? Or are you now just taking digs at me because you want to?