Coyote Travel Power on the Market Today
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Posted on: 2012-01-24 01:32 in CoH and CoV General Discussions
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Yes, because if you're not smiting foes each and every nanosecond that you are logged into the game, then you might as well uninstall it and set your computer on fire, right?
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Originally Posted by rsclark
I think if your superhero chooses to be less useful and more vulnerable it's probably not a RP choice unless you're playing Charlie the Super Masochist.
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The character I use this on is a Controller. That means lots of clicks and, to date, no toggles. When fighting, I switch to human. When there's running to do? Coyote. I have the thing keybound to 1, and it takes about a split second to shapeshift.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
I think if your superhero chooses to be less useful and more vulnerable it's probably not a RP choice unless you're playing Charlie the Super Masochist.
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There is no 'less useful' about it. All there is is the person I quoted kvetching a load of nothing, for nothing, by nothing.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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This. Thank you.|
Originally Posted by Coyote_Seven
Yes, because if you're not smiting foes each and every nanosecond that you are logged into the game, then you might as well uninstall it and set your computer on fire, right?
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Seriously, people. If it was the darned mess that was the Super packs before they let us know there would eventually be a way to get the Elemental Order costume parts another way, then sure, it'd be a valid complaint (costume set that requires what is essentially gambling to have a shot at getting is not cool)
But, unless people are actually having Paragon employed goons come around and mash their heads into the keyboards until they click 'Buy'....seriously, what the heck are you kvetching about? Don't buy the damn thing if you don't want to! Like I did with the Gunslinger set, except for the cigarette, because I thought the rest was dross that I didn't need. But I'm sure other people find use for it.
Deal.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Seriously, people. If it was the darned mess that was the Super packs before they let us know there would eventually be a way to get the Elemental Order costume parts another way, then sure, it'd be a valid complaint (costume set that requires what is essentially gambling to have a shot at getting is not cool).
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I've seen them say that they'll think about, maybe, at some possible point in the future, considering putting the costumes out in some other way. I have yet to see them say that they WILL put them out in some other way.
Link, please?
As for the Coyote power, it's not for everyone. It's apparently selling well enough that they'll consider more transformation-type powers in the future, though.
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Originally Posted by Rabid_M
Huh?
I've seen them say that they'll think about, maybe, at some possible point in the future, considering putting the costumes out in some other way. I have yet to see them say that they WILL put them out in some other way. Link, please? |
Last I saw they weren't budging an inch on that point. Just that original "we'll think about it" and then absolute silence on the subject.
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If you make an eagle travel power . . . . . . i'ld . . . . be very happy!
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As Beast Mastery uses lions and hawks as some of the pets, I think that it'd be a reasonable guess to say that those could be turned into travel powers in the future - and vanity pets.
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What exactly was the point of that? This topic has nothing to do with the super packs. |
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Seriously, people. If it was the darned mess that was the Super packs before they let us know there would eventually be a way to get the Elemental Order costume parts another way, then sure, it'd be a valid complaint (costume set that requires what is essentially gambling to have a shot at getting is not cool)
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That was just a random rant in an inappropriate thread.
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So it is useful to the limited subset of controllers and maybe doms with no toggles. Mega-million seller in the works here.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
The character I use this on is a Controller. That means lots of clicks and, to date, no toggles. When fighting, I switch to human. When there's running to do? Coyote. I have the thing keybound to 1, and it takes about a split second to shapeshift.
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There's no rule that requires the Devs to make sure everyone absolutely loves every new item for sale.|
Originally Posted by rsclark
So it is useful to the limited subset of controllers and maybe doms with no toggles. Mega-million seller in the works here.
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They couldn't satisfy everyone with everything even if they wanted to.
Don't like this power? Don't buy it. The people who do like it will buy it despite you. *shrugs*
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It was an example of 'Done right' vs 'Done wrong'. Go figure.|
Originally Posted by Mazey
What exactly was the point of that? This topic has nothing to do with the super packs.
That was just a random rant in an inappropriate thread. |
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Originally Posted by rsclark
So it is useful to the limited subset of controllers and maybe doms with no toggles. Mega-million seller in the works here.
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This is why we cannot have nice things...
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Are you just trolling, or do you actually fail to see the inconsistency in what you're saying?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
It was an example of 'Done right' vs 'Done wrong'. Go figure.
Oh cry me a river. You don't want it? Don't buy it! No one (I hope) is forcing you to. |
One minute you're telling people that whether or not they like the coyote is just an opinion, and no-one's forcing them to buy it, and the next you're criticising the super packs in the exact same way as the people you were telling off just a moment before. Worse even, as you're insisting on bringing up the super packs in threads they don't even relate to, as an example of things "just done wrong", while the people you're telling off are at least complaining in a thread about the thing they're complaining about.
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Nope nope. You just don't understand. If he doesn't like it, HE DOESN'T LIKE IT!!!|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh cry me a river. You don't want it? Don't buy it! No one (I hope) is forcing you to.
This is why we cannot have nice things... |
He's gonna scream and whine and complain about it until it gets pulled from the market, because if you disagree with him then clearly, you are wrong!
I'm sure if it had some stealth (equal to superspeed) it would of been an auto purchase for a lot more people.
I'm glad it got the run speed boost. The detoggling is something I'm sure they are aware stops people from purchasing it.
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You don't think it's possible to improve upon a power so that you and more people could be satisfied? And make the company more money?|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Oh cry me a river. You don't want it? Don't buy it! No one (I hope) is forcing you to.
This is why we cannot have nice things... |
This argument you're using could be applied to literally everything that comes out. From now on, the devs don't have to balance or adjust powers again ever. Don't like it? Don't play it!
The argument is that if it was a little more desirable than "worse than NR but neato looking" it may be more popular. It's true some people will be buying it anyway. I don't think that means there's no room for improvement and anyone who doesn't like it as-is can't offer feedback.
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Originally Posted by PRAF68_EU
Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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This thrills me, mainly because of the possibilities it opens up.
When the Walk power was introduced, I figured that opened up the door to all kinds of possibilities for "travel" powers that we had long assumed/been told were impossible - like.... vehicles!
Yea yea, I know - dead horse - I've read Memphis Bill's arguments. But seriously, this, and Flying Carpet, have worked out at least ONE of the big problems (combat animations), and the others could also be addressed by making a vehicle travel power as another toggle that turns all your other powers off. The movement physics of the vehicles could be different than a character's normal movement physics; the problem of interiors and certain terrain can be dealt with by simply auto-detoggling the power (shouldn't be a big deal - that's how travel powers in most MMO's work); customization would certainly be desirable (this IS CoH, after all) but not necessary at initial implementation - if the feature turns out to be popular enough to warrant it, then they can devote the manpower to implementing customization, if not, they don't.
Anyway, I'm hopeful again that we'll eventually have motorcycles and whatnot to tool around the streets on. Maybe in 5 more years.
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No. You missed the original point in the context of what he and the person he was replying to said. Whether or not the Super Packs suck is, of course, absolutely a matter of opinion, but that wasn't the point.|
Originally Posted by Mazey
Are you just trolling, or do you actually fail to see the inconsistency in what you're saying?
One minute you're telling people that whether or not they like the coyote is just an opinion, and no-one's forcing them to buy it, and the next you're criticising the super packs in the exact same way as the people you were telling off just a moment before. Worse even, as you're insisting on bringing up the super packs in threads they don't even relate to, as an example of things "just done wrong", while the people you're telling off are at least complaining in a thread about the thing they're complaining about. |
The point was the fact that the manner in which the Black Wolf Pet and Elemental Order costume set was something that someone who wants those things could complain that they've being distributed in an odd fashion vs. the coyote power, which is just simply something you can buy or not buy, as you may like.
Like it? Buy it.
Don't like it? Don't buy it.
Like the Wolf Pet and/or the Elemental Order costume set, but don't like the Super Packs? You're out of luck. He was saying that he felt that this was a more understandable situation to voice criticism over, as opposed to just simply not wishing to buy something because they don't like the item.
Get it yet? Or are you just leaping to any and every defense of the super packs, because you can't fathom why anyone would criticize them to the extent that people have?
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Thanks EK, thats spot on. And now I have to ask you to get out of my mind, it's a little crowded in here already |
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
No. You missed the original point in the context of what he and the person he was replying to said. Whether or not the Super Packs suck is, of course, absolutely a matter of opinion, but that wasn't the point.
The point was the fact that the manner in which the Black Wolf Pet and Elemental Order costume set was something that someone who wants those things could complain that they've being distributed in an odd fashion vs. the coyote power, which is just simply something you can buy or not buy, as you may like. Like it? Buy it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Like the Wolf Pet and/or the Elemental Order costume set, but don't like the Super Packs? You're out of luck. He was saying that he felt that this was a more understandable situation to voice criticism over, as opposed to just simply not wishing to buy something because they don't like the item. Get it yet? Or are you just leaping to any and every defense of the super packs, because you can't fathom why anyone would criticize them to the extent that people have? |
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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Oh hell, I'm not saying it's utterly 100% perfect. I'd be up for them maybe including a non-see-through stealth effect, maybe slowing the animations down and certainly slowing the idle animations down.|
Originally Posted by Dispari
You don't think it's possible to improve upon a power so that you and more people could be satisfied? And make the company more money?
This argument you're using could be applied to literally everything that comes out. From now on, the devs don't have to balance or adjust powers again ever. Don't like it? Don't play it! The argument is that if it was a little more desirable than "worse than NR but neato looking" it may be more popular. It's true some people will be buying it anyway. I don't think that means there's no room for improvement and anyone who doesn't like it as-is can't offer feedback. |
But, at the very core of the power, it's not broken or anything. So, while changes might be a nice thing, the power itself is still perfectly useable.
The argument I'm replying to is saying it's a total waste of time and a 'bad' power. When all that is is difference of opinion.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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I certainly understand where you're coming from and I personally don't have a single issue with discussing ways to making something more desirable to more people. |
Originally Posted by Dispari
You don't think it's possible to improve upon a power so that you and more people could be satisfied? And make the company more money?
This argument you're using could be applied to literally everything that comes out. From now on, the devs don't have to balance or adjust powers again ever. Don't like it? Don't play it! The argument is that if it was a little more desirable than "worse than NR but neato looking" it may be more popular. It's true some people will be buying it anyway. I don't think that means there's no room for improvement and anyone who doesn't like it as-is can't offer feedback. |
However, the counter to your stance is that, contrary to your preference, this power seems well balanced to others and/or further concessions/changes could unbalance that.
It all depends on how highly you rate different parameters that lead to fun in different people.
Cosmetic goodness plus decent mechanical goodness may be a fantastic point of focus.
I just don't get why people want to look like a coyote if they don't care about looking like a coyote.
Anyway, I have zero intention of being argumentative... only in discussion, if there's any to be had.
Actually, I did like the idea of some stealth when I first heard that suggestion in early testing.
I'm not sure how much good a tiny amount of stealth would do for people not interested in the power now, anyway.
As I don't think adding a hefty amount of stealth would be very balanced. Maybe I am wrong about that?
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Yeah, he thinks that it's fine to criticise the super packs, but not the coyote, because he likes the way the coyote is sold and he doesn't like the way the super packs are sold.|
Originally Posted by Electric-Knight
No. You missed the original point in the context of what he and the person he was replying to said. Whether or not the Super Packs suck is, of course, absolutely a matter of opinion, but that wasn't the point.
The point was the fact that the manner in which the Black Wolf Pet and Elemental Order costume set was something that someone who wants those things could complain that they've being distributed in an odd fashion vs. the coyote power, which is just simply something you can buy or not buy, as you may like. Like it? Buy it. Don't like it? Don't buy it. Like the Wolf Pet and/or the Elemental Order costume set, but don't like the Super Packs? You're out of luck. He was saying that he felt that this was a more understandable situation to voice criticism over, as opposed to just simply not wishing to buy something because they don't like the item. |
I understand the situation perfectly.
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| Get it yet? Or are you just leaping to any and every defense of the super packs, because you can't fathom why anyone would criticize them to the extent that people have? |
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Wrong, I am content with the Coyote as is, but ALSO have no objections to changes to it that would improve it for other people, or buffs to its stats such as a stealth aura.|
Originally Posted by Mazey
Yeah, he thinks that it's fine to criticise the super packs, but not the coyote, because he likes the way the coyote is sold and he doesn't like the way the super packs are sold.
I understand the situation perfectly. |
Saying it is somehow 'broken' is just stupid, however.
I am not content with the Packs for various reasons, and I know I'm not alone in that feeling. With the Coyote power, if I hadn't wanted it, I would have simply not bought it, much like I did with the Gunslinger pack and the Alsatian pet. That doesn't mean I am decrying them as 'broken' (although I did have different issues with the Gunslinger pack).
The Super packs, however, are an issue, because I do want the Elemental Order costume parts, but the ONLY way to get them is through hit and miss gambling. That is an example of something 'broken'.
You are entitle to my opinion, as you are to yours.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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As are FalconX_NA and rsclark.|
Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
You are entitle to my opinion, as you are to yours.
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But you're quite happy to tell them off for criticising the coyote power and then move right on to criticising the super packs yourself.
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