Why is it during doomsday scenerio's people always make stupid decisions?


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Whether its zombie invasion, or mayan prophecy people always make crazy decisions in the doomsday movies. Slight spoilers, I just got back from seeing that darkest day movie, the one with the light energy beings that attack earth. It just amazes me how the cast of the movies are always fated to do stupid things to get themselves or the crew dead or put into danger. I understand they want to make some suspense in the movie but do it another way instead of being dumb. I would list specific examples in this movie but I dont want to give it away for those who have not seen it yet. Just once I want someone to make a movie such that a person makes a logical choice in a doomsday scenerio and still die instead of choosing the most obviously wrong choice and dying. To me doing this makes it feel more hopeless that there is nothing you can do to win.


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Eh... Often the most logical thing to do would be to find a hole in the ground and pull it in after you. The smartest decisions are often the most boring.


 

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Because it is a movie.


 

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Because people are dumb, panicky animals.



 

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Just once I want someone to make a movie such that a person makes a logical choice in a doomsday scenerio and still die instead of choosing the most obviously wrong choice and dying. To me doing this makes it feel more hopeless that there is nothing you can do to win.
I actually agree with you on this. But I think we will always see this kind of ill-logic in movies for the same reason things like "reality TV" are popular now - there's always a built-in desire to see other people do stupid things.

There's probably some unconscious satisfaction we get as an audience to believe that we are "smarter" than other people. Perhaps it makes us feel better on some primitive level to believe that there's no way we'd be as dumb given the same situation. Who knows?

I guess the key is just how dumb the characters of a story like that are. Sometimes the dumbness may just be more artfully crafted in some cases versus others.


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because horror movie characters are always stupid and people don't know how to write anymore where you have smart characters and smart villains that have to act and react to each other instead of ''OMGFLAILMONSTERSAAAHHHHH*DIE*"


 

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I dunno, I think the crew from Alien was fairly smart given the circumstances... Well except for that whole breaking of quarantine thing, and they made a big deal about how stupid it was (of course it was done on purpose, but they didn't know that at the time).


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Oh look at me. I'm a teen girl with a smoking hot body and just came out of the shower and is now wearing a baby doll nighty.

Oh I hear a noise in the basement.

click - click - click

Oh the basement light seems burned out.

I'll go down anyway to take a quick peek.

Yea, people do dumb things in monster/horror movies ALL THE TIME. It's expected.


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Because then the general movie going audience would be all "Booooring"


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people always make crazy decisions in the doomsday movies
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Because you could take out the "during doomsday scenerio's [sic]" and the question would still work. That's why.


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Take the zombie setup. THere is always one fool who is endangers the group because their loved one got bit by a zombie yet they do not want to let them go. If I were the leader of a group during that type of issue, I would not be afraid to bust a cap in the person as soon as they get bit by the zombie. No need in waiting till they turn. Kill them now or you can stay them with and share your brains with them but we wont be taking them with us. There is never a person in the movies that do this. The closest thing is always that one arogant character who does something that gets themself killed in one of the worst possible ways. Its always like that. Why cant they be the one to be smart for once. It just irks my nerves because its way too predictable now. You can pretty much know in the opening 5 minutes of the movie who is going to live and who is going to die because its been done to death so much. Maybe I need to be a movie writer some day.


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Because you could take out the "during doomsday scenerio's [sic]" and the question would still work. That's why.
This. End of story.


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Take the zombie setup. THere is always one fool who is endangers the group because their loved one got bit by a zombie yet they do not want to let them go. If I were the leader of a group during that type of issue, I would not be afraid to bust a cap in the person as soon as they get bit by the zombie. No need in waiting till they turn. Kill them now or you can stay them with and share your brains with them but we wont be taking them with us. There is never a person in the movies that do this. The closest thing is always that one arogant character who does something that gets themself killed in one of the worst possible ways. Its always like that. Why cant they be the one to be smart for once. It just irks my nerves because its way too predictable now. You can pretty much know in the opening 5 minutes of the movie who is going to live and who is going to die because its been done to death so much. Maybe I need to be a movie writer some day.
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Oh look at me. I'm a teen girl with a smoking hot body and just came out of the shower and is now wearing a baby doll nighty.

Oh I hear a noise in the basement.

click - click - click

Oh the basement light seems burned out.

I'll go down anyway to take a quick peek.

Yea, people do dumb things in monster/horror movies ALL THE TIME. It's expected.
*hears weird noise in the house*

Hello? Anyone there? Hello? ...I'll just walk down this hallway and attempt to look cautious.


 

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The really sad part is, when there IS a smart guy in the group trying to implement a plan that has a chance of working, the rest ostracize him and cut him off - they don't want to hear common sense.

The much sadder part is, the exact same thing happens in real life.


 

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In my experience, brains tend to shut down in moments of crisis. I had an experience where someone had a heart attack in front of me, and I was the only one who reacted. I had to yell at people to get them to do anything.

So, in other words, horror movies may be truer than you would believe.


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Heh, I remember studying this in my university causes. Believe it or not, Common Sense(tm) is considered a special skill assigned to the hero characters in these movies (ie the ones who live to the end and actually use their brains). Special talents are generally specifically written for the character who has exactly the right skillset, personality and level-headedness to deal with the scenario at hand.

Perfect examples of this are Bruce Willis in the Die Hard movies, virtually any 80's action movie (Rambo, et al) where the character is 'the best trained in x,y,z situations', and the survivors of disaster movies. These movie universes are littered with whole populations of ridiculously stupid people (on purpose) so that the 'special skill' of Common Sense can save the day.

This has started to be done away with, mind you. The zenith of this occurs in 2012 where John Cusack essentially has the Lucky special skill instead of Common Sense, as he careers from set piece to set piece, 'luckily' meeting talking heads that send him to the next CGI spectacular.

But never ever expect disaster/apocalypse films to be populated by regular people. Only the principal cast matters; the rest are collateral.


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Whether its zombie invasion, <snip>.

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Because the attraction of horror movies is more to see Darwinism in action than the movies plot.


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Well now, in all fairness to the writers of those movies, people really do tend to do stupid things when faced with a situation that overwhelms the senses. The human body actually goes into a kind of sensory lock akin to tunnel vision when the heart rate goes over a certain threshold in stressful situations. The ones that can avoid that sensory lock are the ones that prepare for and practice procedures specifically for those kinds of situations. This is why armed forces and police practice forced entry procedures. It's why firefighters practice entering burning buildings.

For anybody that is interested in that kind of thing, there is a book titled Blink: The Power of Thinking Without Thinking by Malcolm Gladwell that goes into depth about this phenomenon.


 

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Heh, I remember studying this in my university causes. Believe it or not, Common Sense(tm) is considered a special skill assigned to the hero characters in these movies (ie the ones who live to the end and actually use their brains). Special talents are generally specifically written for the character who has exactly the right skillset, personality and level-headedness to deal with the scenario at hand.

Perfect examples of this are Bruce Willis in the Die Hard movies, virtually any 80's action movie (Rambo, et al) where the character is 'the best trained in x,y,z situations', and the survivors of disaster movies. These movie universes are littered with whole populations of ridiculously stupid people (on purpose) so that the 'special skill' of Common Sense can save the day.

This has started to be done away with, mind you. The zenith of this occurs in 2012 where John Cusack essentially has the Lucky special skill instead of Common Sense, as he careers from set piece to set piece, 'luckily' meeting talking heads that send him to the next CGI spectacular.

But never ever expect disaster/apocalypse films to be populated by regular people. Only the principal cast matters; the rest are collateral.


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Die Hard is a great example, actually. Just rewatched it earlier today, and I think part of what makes it work so well is that both the hero and the villain have the special talent of Common Sense. Hans Gruber is a clever guy, both capable of planning and improvising, but so is John McClane, except John is perhaps a little better at improvising and has High Pain Tolerance as a secondary skill.

It does help that there are some real idiots in that movie, though, but the Hans and John dynamic of smart villain and smart hero is really what makes the movie work. They both get to outsmart each other several times, and it feels like a battle of equals. And when someone does act stupid, well, they die. Or at least get some kind of comeuppance. Die Hard rewards cleverness and punishes stupidity, which makes for an altogether awesome film. We need more Hans Gruber caliber action villains...


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Whether its zombie invasion, or mayan prophecy people always make crazy decisions in the doomsday movies. Slight spoilers, I just got back from seeing that darkest day movie, the one with the light energy beings that attack earth. It just amazes me how the cast of the movies are always fated to do stupid things to get themselves or the crew dead or put into danger. I understand they want to make some suspense in the movie but do it another way instead of being dumb. I would list specific examples in this movie but I dont want to give it away for those who have not seen it yet. Just once I want someone to make a movie such that a person makes a logical choice in a doomsday scenerio and still die instead of choosing the most obviously wrong choice and dying. To me doing this makes it feel more hopeless that there is nothing you can do to win.
Why does this happen in movies? Because it will happen in real life. Why? Well, George Carlin explained it best.

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Some people are really [pancake]ing stupid!


Did you ever notice that? How many really stupid people you run into during the day?
Gorram there's a lot of stupid [pancakes] walking around.
Carry a little pad and pencil with you. You'll wind up with thirty or forty names by the end of the day.
Look at it this way: Think of how stupid the average person is and then realize that half of them are stupider than that.
And it doesn't take you very long to spot one of them does it? Take you about eight seconds.
You'll be listening to some guy...you say..."this guy is [pancake]ing stupid!"
Then...then there are some people, their not stupid...their full of [pancakes]. Huh?
That doesn't take very long to spot either, does it? Take you about the same amount of time.
You'll be listening to some guy..and saying, "well, he's fairly intelligent......ahht, he's full of [pancakes]!"
Then there are some people, their not stupid, their not full of [pancakes]...their [pancake]ing nuts!
One only has to work a short while in any CS job to realize just how stupid the average person is. The really scary part is the number of people who are a combination of stupid, full of [pancakes], and [pancake]ing nuts.

So when you see these characters in movies it's simply realism.


 

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I agree with some of the posts, and it does apply to horror movies as well.......most people just are unable to react to extreme situations.

My favorite trend breaker is from the movie "The People Under The Stairs". Most people would stand their and wet their pants when trapped in a locked house with an insane couple and their dog that has a taste for human flesh. The main character in the movie, however, does everything that I wish people in horror movies would do, the main one being USING COMMON SENSE. And a lot of improvised weapons.

And the main character was a 12 year old kid.


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Take the zombie setup. THere is always one fool who is endangers the group because their loved one got bit by a zombie yet they do not want to let them go. If I were the leader of a group during that type of issue, I would not be afraid to bust a cap in the person as soon as they get bit by the zombie. No need in waiting till they turn. Kill them now or you can stay them with and share your brains with them but we wont be taking them with us.

Admission: zombie movies completely freak me out on a fundamental level, no matter how lame the movie is, and the issue above is part of why.

While zombies aren't real, the idea of a fatal contagion or major disaster very much is. And the corollary issue of zombies is that until a person turns, they are still a person, and killing them or even just abandoning them is a morally ambiguous act. A related idea would be "Why would anyone care for plague victims, the logical thing to do is kill them before they can spread disease."

Now, people in zombie movies do tend to suffer from one extremely unlikely turn of chance, and that is that every bite has a near 100% chance of transmission, and every case is fatal. While that transmission rate is theoretically possible, a more realistic scenario would be the disease affecting/killing most people, but at least some surviving (although possibly disfigured). Given this fact, the act of killing or abandoning a still living person, if the situation happened in the real world, is fairly complicated. Part of the horror of the situation is (for me at least) zombies used to be people. Horror movies tend to gloss over this by making it very clear when the person has changed from human to monster, but real life would probably be a lot less generous.