Discussion: Issue 21: Convergence - November 10, 2011 [Live]
By
Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2011-11-10 11:42 in News, Events and Announcement Discussion
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That one is squarely aimed at farming maps. One of the things you do with those is run in at the damage cap on inspiration overload, and it helps propel you to max sustainable Fury on a Brute.|
Originally Posted by Stormbird
Missing patch note on inspirations (not sure about other buffs. Too annoyed right now.)
INSPIRATIONS: Effect of Inspirations taken BEFORE entering an AE mission will be stripped off the character. So, have a boss fight you're buffing up for and hoping to have other insps in the tray as you go on? Forget it. |
(Note I'm not defending anything. I'm only noting the near-certain origin of that change.)
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Originally Posted by Primary_Unit
What she said. I can't even reload my default, which has/had? my preferred settings.
For me this is about equivalent to having to recostume my character every time I log in. I'm surprised that so few people customize their UIs that they sent this live as is. |
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Originally Posted by Winterminal
I'm looking at the numerous bugs that go through on this patch:
For what it is worth, I am still excited about many of the changes, just wish so many bugs hadn't come with 'em :/ |
For those interested in seeing the UI bug in action, here is the UI on one of my characters as it should be:
And this is what happens to it after the patch, sometimes when logging in, sometimes when zoning:
Please try my custom mission arcs!
Legacy of a Rogue (ID 459586, Entry for Dr. Aeon's Third Challenge)
Death for Dollars! (ID 1050)
Dr. Duplicate's Dastardly Dare (ID 1218)
Win the Past, Own the Future (ID 1429)
Knockback changes?
*Gemini Runs to go see what has happened to AR*
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It's the equivalent of dealing with speeders on the freeway by having spike strips placed every ten feet on the interstate. |
Originally Posted by UberGuy
That one is squarely aimed at farming maps. One of the things you do with those is run in at the damage cap on inspiration overload, and it helps propel you to max sustainable Fury on a Brute.
(Note I'm not defending anything. I'm only noting the near-certain origin of that change.) |
Result: Farmers find another way, everyone else gets their experience ruined. Wasn't this the sort of thing MARTy was supposed to prevent? Kneejerk changes (even if this was fairly slow) that hurt more than they help?
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
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I was under the impression that the point of MARTy was to monitor for this sort of thing so that these sorts of changes could be implemented.
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Result: Farmers find another way, everyone else gets their experience ruined. Wasn't this the sort of thing MARTy was supposed to prevent? Kneejerk changes (even if this was fairly slow) that hurt more than they help?
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Ok, who "designed" the new Collect menu? They need to be dragged outside and beaten with their own keyboard 
Did anyone actually test this at anything other than a window scale of 100%? Rubbish.
And if you actually try to open it, it's totally unreadable (can't get a screenshot with the menu open). It sits on top of everything else. Utterly useless.
Seriously, go hire someone who knows how to design UI.
who is running the show now over there devs? i mean really i dont think any of us players woulda wanted this ninja issue 21.5 release if it meant all these bugs came with them. srsly who is making the call to release this poop of an issue? why not just take your time and do things right? you know there is a saying if you do it right you only have to do things once. w/e thankfully ur game is free 2 play and I will be spending my money on other games thix xmas.
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It's supposed to throttle excessive rewards. Which means, really, "who cares" if you go in with full defense/damage/etc. from inspirations - if you go above their threshhold, it shouldn't be awarding you anyway once you trip it. |
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I was under the impression that the point of MARTy was to monitor for this sort of thing so that these sorts of changes could be implemented.
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So they wouldn't have to create such hamfisted nerfs.
Result for me: If I see "Custom enemies" in any arc, I'll now be skipping it. (Or, more honestly, I'll just start acting like AE doesn't exist other than as an inspiration vendor in most zones.)
Wanted: Origin centric story arcs.
If you've only played an AT once (one set combo) and "hate" it - don't give up. Roll a different combo. It may just be those sets not clicking for you.
Please ignore the game breaking UI bugs.
Focus on the wolf pet. Oooh look. Buy it. Give us your money. Honest this isn't just a glorified BETA for CoH2. Honest.
Will you guys stop with the damn releasing of trivial crap on the market each week already?!?!?!?!!
can we get back to basics and focus on PROPERLY DEVELOPED AND BUG FREE CONTENT??!?!1 jesus stop trying to appeal to the the new players pockets and appease your loyal vet players!!! we dont want a stupid undead kit if it meant you took time away from doing your jobs in curb stomping the many bugs that are still in this game. we also dont want some stupid animal b/c it obv took alot of development time away from producing proper content.
can you please fire who is making these stupid calls!
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Originally Posted by Stormbird
Wasn't this the sort of thing MARTy was supposed to prevent? Kneejerk changes (even if this was fairly slow) that hurt more than they help?
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Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I was under the impression that the point of MARTy was to monitor for this sort of thing so that these sorts of changes could be implemented.
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Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Are you honestly trying to tell me that fixing game-breaking UI bugs is more important than selling an UNDEAD SURVIVAL KIT or PURCHASABLE WORTHLESS IOS?|
Originally Posted by Vinceq1980
Will you guys stop with the damn releasing of trivial crap on the market each week already?!?!?!?!!
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It's not like you can get those things in game with minimal effort.
...oh wait.
Base Editor: Free Vertical Placement and Rotation
- Added the ability for players to move base objects horizontally and rotate them about the vertical axis freely.
- While placing an object, if the player holds SHIFT, they can move the object vertically.
- Once placed vertically, if they wish to move the object again and maintain the vertical placement, they can hold the CTRL key.
- If they do not use the CTRL key, the object will snap to the first encountered ground the cursor is placed over.
- If the player holds ALT, they can rotate the object about the vertical axis.
- This should only affect the initial placement of a new base object.
This issue of City of Heroes has been brought to you by the letter AWESOME!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbQhg...&feature=feedf
Ignoring anyone is a mistake. You might miss something viral to your cause.
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It's not missing because it's not new. That arc's been available as a flashback for a while now; I think it was part of the I21 update.
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Originally Posted by EU_Damz
Missing Note:
Ouroboros:
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Glad to see this update going forward from beta,
disappointed that bugs are emerging out of their little dens,
shaking my head at AE changes not being in the patch notes,
and bases turning on their owners? I may have a new favourite bug. Really, it's hilarious!
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Because designing and animating a wolf pet is the exact same job as designing, QA testing and bug-fixing a UI change, done by the exact same people, using the exact same resources.|
Originally Posted by Xanatos
Please ignore the game breaking UI bugs.
Focus on the wolf pet. Oooh look. Buy it. Give us your money. Honest this isn't just a glorified BETA for CoH2. Honest. |
Wait, no it's not.
"You don't lose levels. You don't have equipment to wear out, repair, or lose, or that anyone can steal from you. About the only thing lighter than debt they could do is have an NPC walk by, point and laugh before you can go to the hospital or base." -Memphis_Bill
We will honor the past, and fight to the last, it will be a good way to die...
Good, maybe this will finally get me to play my Peacebringer again. Less KB is good feature.
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Originally Posted by Moonshires
What the heck is up with knockback?
Seriously, 2 maybe 3 feet is all anything is knocked back now. That's not enough to get most things out of melee range. My energy blaster gets retired until that changes. |
H: Blaster 50, Defender 50, Tank 50, Scrapper 50, Controller 50, PB 50, WS 50
V: Brute 50, Corruptor 50, MM 50, Dominator 50, Stalker 50, AW 50, AS 50
Top 4: Controller, Brute, Scrapper, Corruptor
Bottom 4: (Peacebringer) way below everything else, Mastermind, Dominator, Blaster
CoH in WQHD
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I am going to have to try really, really, really hard not to go and place a bunch of new weapons systems in my bases, just on general principle.
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Originally Posted by StormSurvivor
and bases turning on their owners? I may have a new favourite bug. Really, it's hilarious!
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While I am not going to second the belittling comments (attacking someone's skills when I don't know the circumstances isn't my style generally), I will add that this finished product just isn't good enough. Leave it as it was till an improvement can be made, because this isn't it. While I would like if the new information can eventually be presented in some way this is not the way; this is a 1/2 step forward in info availability for 2 steps back in useability.
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Originally Posted by Suzumebachi
Ok, who "designed" the new Collect menu? They need to be dragged outside and beaten with their own keyboard
Did anyone actually test this at anything other than a window scale of 100%? Rubbish. And if you actually try to open it, it's totally unreadable (can't get a screenshot with the menu open). It sits on top of everything else. Utterly useless. Seriously, go hire someone who knows how to design UI. |
I can't possibly imagine it staying like it is, but yeah, a lot of folks I know are going to love the KB bug.
I'm glad I didn't add any PvP defensive items to my base for decorative purposes. >.>
Blue
American Steele: 50 BS/Inv
Nightfall: 50 DDD
Sable Slayer: 50 DM/Rgn
Fortune's Shadow: 50 Dark/Psi
WinterStrike: 47 Ice/Dev
Quantum Well: 43 Inv/EM
Twilit Destiny: 43 MA/DA
Red
Shadowslip: 50 DDC
Final Rest: 50 MA/Rgn
Abyssal Frost: 50 Ice/Dark
Golden Ember: 50 SM/FA
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Less KB should be an optional feature. Personally, I love it because a lot of my melee characters duo with characters with KB that makes me scream. But lots of squishies use KB to good effect and need it to survive. Blanket nerfing the effect without any sort of documentation is unprofessional at best.|
Originally Posted by newchemicals
Good, maybe this will finally get me to play my Peacebringer again. Less KB is good feature.
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Seriously, whoever greenlit this partial patch should be strung up. Nothing new, undocumented nerfs and a load of bugs?
Oh, but we get rare incarnate salvage now. Whoopdie-doo for the rest of the game.
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Marty is also there to give much more precise feedback on how and where the exploits are happening - that's why we've had two important fixes for rez abuse and ambush abuse so soon after Marty went live.|
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I was under the impression that the point of MARTy was to monitor for this sort of thing so that these sorts of changes could be implemented.
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Marty isn't just a watcher - he's a hunter too
@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
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Make it as a training room for yourself |
Originally Posted by Lazarillo
I am going to have to try really, really, really hard not to go and place a bunch of new weapons systems in my bases, just on general principle.
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@Golden Girl
City of Heroes comics and artwork
I'm looking at the numerous bugs that go through on this patch:
- The infantile KB
- Mace Mastery mace still malfunctioning
- UIs being reset
- Bases going all "Skynet" on their owners
And I'm just picturing the Dev/Community team reading this thread. Then this happens.For what it is worth, I am still excited about many of the changes, just wish so many bugs hadn't come with 'em :/
@Winter. Because I'm Winter. Period.
I am a blaster first, and an alt-oholic second.