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Aye-yup.
The story is right off the rails. No idea what's coming next. The only thing that bothers me is the timing. Sophia must've been turned like 10 minutes after she left that swamp hollow. The timing is a little too tight. Of course, I can't remember how long they were at the traffic jam before Carl got shot. |
Sucks we have to wait for more episodes. What are these networks thinking with these mid-season breaks?
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Sucks we have to wait for more episodes. What are these networks thinking with these mid-season breaks?
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Joking aside, I agree.
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So they can sell Part 1 & Part 2 of the DVD sets. Then the Complete Season w/some slight extras to encourage the ones who bought P1 & 2 to buy the Complete. Then when the series is finished, they can sell Complete Complete Collection.|
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*shrug* Just my cynical take on the matter.
wow....just wow....talk about a kick in the teeth.....While the whole Sophia angle was getting a little long in the tooth (pun intended) and needed to be dealt with, the idea that she had been put in the barn with the other geeks and then coming out at the end was just unsettling to say the least.....
Well I imagine Rick just proved once and for all that he has the stones to do what is necessary to protect the "group". Shane may have had alterior motives for busting open the barn doors (ie someone in the group getting bit...Dale, Rick, Darryl, etc, etc), however that needed to be done....Sorry Herschel, but your family isnt coming back, at least he can take solace in knowing he wasnt the only one that lost a loved one....Shane needs to be dealt with, sooner rather than later...he is a loose cannon and is going to endanger everyone in the group....
From the looks of things there may be a fire fight between Shane and a couple of folks from the group come the 2nd half of season 2.....
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So they can sell Part 1 & Part 2 of the DVD sets. Then the Complete Season w/some slight extras to encourage the ones who bought P1 & 2 to buy the Complete. Then when the series is finished, they can sell Complete Complete Collection.
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and you'd be right......I have seen it happen.....
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Just watched it. They are butchering this story. 
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Just watched it. They are butchering this story.
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Yes, I do understand (what Im going to guess is) frustration with the overall story.....IMO the comic is (pretty much) nothing more than a framework for the series to follow and thats all.....
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Yes I know they're not going to follow it exactly and I don't expect them to. It's just the departures from the comics haven't been worth the screentime they've had. I don't mind changes in the translation so long as they're good. So far they haven't been.
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Cap.....you are aware that they will never follow the comic verbatim, right? Even Kirkman said that the comic is not canon for the series.....besides those of us that have read the comics would know what was happening at every turn and would get bored with the show and stop watching it....
Yes, I do understand (what Im going to guess is) frustration with the overall story.....IMO the comic is (pretty much) nothing more than a framework for the series to follow and thats all..... |
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Yes I know they're not going to follow it exactly and I don't expect them to. It's just the departures from the comics haven't been worth the screentime they've had. I don't mind changes in the translation so long as they're good. So far they haven't been.
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With all that gunfire at the farm, it is definitely no longer safe. Time for them to get a move on. Also, is Daryl hanging ears around the camp to keep Walkers away? Didn't someone else do that or something similar in the comic?
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Shane started out as being my favorite character on the show (never read the comic), but he's gone so far off the tracks that I can't imagine anyone thinks its a good idea for him to remain with the group.|
Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
I dunno, that ending to the Sophia arc was pretty damn powerful. I applaud them for that. Although, I knew it was coming from the spoilers I happened upon in the beginning of the week. It was definitely worth watching.
With all that gunfire at the farm, it is definitely no longer safe. Time for them to get a move on. Also, is Daryl hanging ears around the camp to keep Walkers away? Didn't someone else do that or something similar in the comic? Until February. |
(I'm a little sad about that as I think that the actors who play Rick and Shane have great chemistry together.)
Two other things that I have to bring up though.
1. Exactly how was Hershel going to force Rick's group off the farm if they refused to go? Rick's group is larger, has more weapons, and knows how to use them. I'm not a parent, but if I had found a safe haven for my child then a polite request to leave would NOT get me to go back into what the world has become.
2. Shane has actually been right several times. Sophia was gone. Daryl nearly lost his life looking for her. Carl was shot and nearly died. All because Rick refused to leave. If Shane wasn't so obviously going insane, he could make a nice counterpoint and a true rival for leadership of the group.
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Not terribly surprised that Sophia was turned. However, it shows that Hershel is a bigger jerk than ever. He knew a little girl was in there, but let Rick and company keep searching for her, for days on end. It must be nice to know what happened to one's family, but keep others in the dark.
I expect a huge confrontation with the next episode...
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It was said in the episode that Otis used to be the one that would catch the walkers and get them into the barn. Before the topic ever came up about Sophia missing Otis was killed by Shane. So I guess Hershel didn't know by this logic, but idk if I buy this logic. I would think that Otis would have said something to someone that he found a little kid zombie...
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Originally Posted by Frost Warden
Not terribly surprised that Sophia was turned. However, it shows that Hershel is a bigger jerk than ever. He knew a little girl was in there, but let Rick and company keep searching for her, for days on end. It must be nice to know what happened to one's family, but keep others in the dark.
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They were feeding chickens to the walkers. You'd think one of them would have spotted a little girl in the barn at that point.
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Originally Posted by Black_Mute
It was said in the episode that Otis used to be the one that would catch the walkers and get them into the barn. Before the topic ever came up about Sophia missing Otis was killed by Shane. So I guess Hershel didn't know by this logic, but idk if I buy this logic. I would think that Otis would have said something to someone that he found a little kid zombie...
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Well he also didn't want to tell them 'hey there's zombies in the barn', since he didn't believe in killing them and... well, they found out and killed them. So, to be fair, he was kind of right in that regard. And you know "I think your little girl is a zombie, you might look in my secret barn I'm keeping this hideous secret in to be sure" is kind of a dead giveaway.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
So they can sell Part 1 & Part 2 of the DVD sets. Then the Complete Season w/some slight extras to encourage the ones who bought P1 & 2 to buy the Complete. Then when the series is finished, they can sell Complete Complete Collection.
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Just watched it. They are butchering this story.
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However, the show continues to add some great stuff.
There is value in the story as they are portraying it. It just isn't the same story.
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I dunno, that ending to the Sophia arc was pretty damn powerful. I applaud them for that. Although, I knew it was coming from the spoilers I happened upon in the beginning of the week. It was definitely worth watching.
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The two scenes in the house last night, with Rick-Herschel and then Herschel-Maggie, were two emotional and well acted scenes. These were the highlight of the episode for me.
And Lori bugs the heck out of me, but that moment with her clutching at Carl when Sophia steps out... she nails full body emotion well.
And Shane's angry stomp around the farm just looked awesome. I've seen that march by people in real life.
Even that small moment of Glenn asking Maggie for permission before stepping to the firing line was a fabulous touch.
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1. Exactly how was Hershel going to force Rick's group off the farm if they refused to go? Rick's group is larger, has more weapons, and knows how to use them. I'm not a parent, but if I had found a safe haven for my child then a polite request to leave would NOT get me to go back into what the world has become.
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In the comic, they were still pretty passive and desperate. They accepted they had to leave and moved on. Rick wanted to avoid confrontation with other living humans. He had not yet developed the hardened personality that Shane is representing in the TV series.
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Seriously. That was the first thing I thought when I saw her. I'm assuming that she wasn't in the barn when Rick brought Carl to the farm, but that Hershel found her during Carl's recuperation. Rick's group was risking life and limb to find a girl that Hershel *must* have known was in the barn. I guess using his twisted logic he was "protecting" Sophia from the group because he knew they would put her down, but I don't think that excuses his secrecy on the matter.
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Originally Posted by Frost Warden
Not terribly surprised that Sophia was turned. However, it shows that Hershel is a bigger jerk than ever. He knew a little girl was in there, but let Rick and company keep searching for her, for days on end. It must be nice to know what happened to one's family, but keep others in the dark.
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It was said in the episode that Otis used to be the one that would catch the walkers and get them into the barn. Before the topic ever came up about Sophia missing Otis was killed by Shane. So I guess Hershel didn't know by this logic, but idk if I buy this logic. I would think that Otis would have said something to someone that he found a little kid zombie...
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They were feeding chickens to the walkers. You'd think one of them would have spotted a little girl in the barn at that point.
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Even as Rick was doing what needed to be done the thought jumped into my head, "Wait a minute - wouldn't Hershel have known about a new little girl being recently added to the barn and realized that might have been Sophia?" That question was really going to bother me if I had to wait until February for an answer.
But thankfully I watched The Talking Dead, the interview show AMC has been showing after each new episode of The Walking Dead, and it explained this point perfectly. During that show Kirkman himself confirmed that Otis was in fact the one who caught Sophia, put her in the barn, and never had the chance to mention it because Shane capped him before the topic ever came up. Now one could still argue that the chicken-feeders would have seen the "new girl" in the barn and put two and two together. But it's at least conceivable that zombie-Sophia might have simply stayed out of sight while they quickly tossed chickens into the barn. Basically it was fairly believable that Sophia could've been in the barn pretty much the whole time without anyone realizing it.
Even though the "Where's Sophia?" plotline was dragging on I consider the build up to this finale was well worth the wait.
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I hope this is mentioned in the actual show in February. It's a fairly huge point. My guess is that the group will believe Hershel when he says he had no idea Sophia was in the barn, but relations have broken down to where that might be a moot point.
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But thankfully I watched The Talking Dead, the interview show AMC has been showing after each new episode of The Walking Dead, and it explained this point perfectly. During that show Kirkman himself confirmed that Otis was in fact the one who caught Sophia, put her in the barn, and never had the chance to mention it because Shane capped him before the topic ever came up.
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Different strokes for different folks...Im still enjoying the show. I guess you wont be commenting in this post when the show picks back up in Feb since you're not liking it?
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Originally Posted by CaptainFoamerang
Yes I know they're not going to follow it exactly and I don't expect them to. It's just the departures from the comics haven't been worth the screentime they've had. I don't mind changes in the translation so long as they're good. So far they haven't been.
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Originally Posted by Dark One
If we look at Sophia as less of a person and more of a catalyst, she's doing a great job. She's giving Darryl a (presumably) way to atone for his sins and his past, Carol a chance to grow closer to someone who isn't an abusive *******, Herschel an opportunity to see that those things are never going to be people again, and Glenn to get his mack on.
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What does Darryl need to atone for?
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Oh I would completely agree that "relations" between Hershel's group and Rick's group are completely (forgive the pun) shot at this point regardless. We'll have to see how they all pick up the pieces after this. I think Hershel's ignorance of Sophia being in the barn makes this scenario that much more tragic because not only was his "delusion" that these people are just sick totally crushed but his bad decision to keep them in the barn led to further unnecessary angst/suffering over Sophia.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I hope this is mentioned in the actual show in February. It's a fairly huge point. My guess is that the group will believe Hershel when he says he had no idea Sophia was in the barn, but relations have broken down to where that might be a moot point.
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This is an example of how the TV show has been able to handle a dramatic situation better than the comic. In the comic this scene was almost glossed over in a page or two and there was practically no "backlash" from it at all. Rick and company barely reacted to it at all. They didn't really get mad at Hershel at all over it almost like it was perfectly "normal" for a random farmer to have a few zombies in his barn. It was barely a speedbump in the story. I think the TV show will give this situation the gravitas it deserves and use it as a major turning point in the story.
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Just watched it. They are butchering this story.
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Yes I know they're not going to follow it exactly and I don't expect them to. It's just the departures from the comics haven't been worth the screentime they've had. I don't mind changes in the translation so long as they're good. So far they haven't been.
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Different strokes for different folks...Im still enjoying the show. I guess you wont be commenting in this post when the show picks back up in Feb since you're not liking it?
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So far I don't have a problem with it because I'm liking both for different reasons.
Yes you can rightly say the TV show is "based" on the comic but the two stories are clearly becoming their own stand-alone retellings of the same overall story. A recent big example of this kind of thing working really well is HBO's True Blood which is based on the Charlaine Harris' Sookie Stackhouse novels. After four seasons of TV shows the TV "version" of that story is now very different from the original novel version. But it works because even though they are different they both have strengths and weaknesses that complement each other. In fact in interviews Charlaine Harris has mentioned that she likes all the new things the HBO TV show has done because it makes the story a surprise even to her.
I don't have any problem that The Walking Dead TV show and comic are starting to diverge more and more. I'm already finding things about both versions that I like better than the way the other version handled things. And besides if by some miracle the TV show was able to be an exact clone of the comic then anyone who's read the comic would be completely bored because there would be nothing new to see.
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As always, caught the episode this morning...thoughts:
1) Nothing Herschel could do about making anyone leave his farm, especially not the TV version. What is he, like 20-30 years older than his comic conterpart? Not sure why they made him more the gandad type VS the dad type for the show. At the end of the day, hes just relying on Rick's decency to abide by his will or underestimating Rick's tenacity to keep the group safe.
2) Really not the group's business to mess with crazy Herschel's decision to keep zombies. If you dont like the rules, leave...
3) I know what they said, but this isnt the only farm in the area. Once tensions start running high between the leaders, they could have realistically just struck out on their own to an adjacent area. If youve read the comics (or if not, its not hard to see), theyve cleared out areas more than once for settlement purposes.
4) Im a fan of contradictory aspects of the human personality, but Herschel's character is more of a stretch than any of the other "unbelievable" stuff in my opinion. Hes a religious nut that sits around regularly reading his bible during a zombie apocalypse and has the whole Gods grace thing going when it comes to zombies, but is going to kick people off his farm during their time of need. Out of all the crazy stuff weve seen on the show and discussed as being bs, this is probably the biggest stretch for me.
5) Norman Reedus was a pretty smooth sounding, laid back dude on this ep of the Talking Dead. I met him, "Shane", "Glenn" (and Andrea I think) at some kind of Monster Con type deal this year...he and Shane were the wildest, "I NEED MORE BEETCHES NOW!" and talking about coke and drinks in the room dudes I ever met lol. Shane was a little guy too now that I see him in such a hard charging stud on the show, maybe 5'7.
Cmon February!
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The story is right off the rails. No idea what's coming next.
The only thing that bothers me is the timing. Sophia must've been turned like 10 minutes after she left that swamp hollow. The timing is a little too tight. Of course, I can't remember how long they were at the traffic jam before Carl got shot.