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That brings up my next question: Just how long have they been at the farm?

I think we've been shown four, perhaps five days at the farm, but I'm not sure. Just last episode, Carl was still laid up in bed and Lori was fussing over him before going to the 'comunity' meal. Then Glen found the barn's inhabitants at the end of the show. This episode Carl's up and about like nothing has happened (though he still has bandages), and Maggie is begging Glen not to tell anybody. Was there a few days between episodes? Or was the almost fatal wound Carl had not that hard to heal with 'proper treatement' (which they really didn't have)?

The show has kinda played fast and lose with a timeline. We know that at least 60 days passed since the start of the plague. What with how much fuel the CDC center had and had used. We don't know how long the group was on the road before they hit traffic jam. Now there's been up to a week since Sofia disappeared/Carl was shot.

Also something that has been bother me for a while. With all those trips into town, why has nobody gone into the hardware/sports store and gotten Daryl more quarrels for his crossbow? You'd think that would be a standard request of his by now. Yeah he wasted one on a hanging zombie, but they weren't smart enough at the time to cut the corpse down and get that quarrel back. Yes, it's nice that they are remembering to have him keep retrieving that quarrel, but sooner or later he's gonna have to get more because those things - even the aluminum ones - don't last forever.


 

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That brings up my next question: Just how long have they been at the farm?

I think we've been shown four, perhaps five days at the farm, but I'm not sure. Just last episode, Carl was still laid up in bed and Lori was fussing over him before going to the 'comunity' meal. Then Glen found the barn's inhabitants at the end of the show. This episode Carl's up and about like nothing has happened (though he still has bandages), and Maggie is begging Glen not to tell anybody. Was there a few days between episodes? Or was the almost fatal wound Carl had not that hard to heal with 'proper treatement' (which they really didn't have)?

The show has kinda played fast and lose with a timeline. We know that at least 60 days passed since the start of the plague. What with how much fuel the CDC center had and had used. We don't know how long the group was on the road before they hit traffic jam. Now there's been up to a week since Sofia disappeared/Carl was shot.
This is a big problem for me, if it has indeed been a week since Sofia went missing, then chances are she is a goner. Most children who are missing for more than 72 hours are not found... and that's before you factor in the flesh eating dead wandering around.

On the other hand, if it hasn't actually been a full week at the least, how the heck is Carl up and moving around after a Gunshot wound followed by surgery to remove multiple bullet fragments from said wound?

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Also something that has been bother me for a while. With all those trips into town, why has nobody gone into the hardware/sports store and gotten Daryl more quarrels for his crossbow? You'd think that would be a standard request of his by now. Yeah he wasted one on a hanging zombie, but they weren't smart enough at the time to cut the corpse down and get that quarrel back. Yes, it's nice that they are remembering to have him keep retrieving that quarrel, but sooner or later he's gonna have to get more because those things - even the aluminum ones - don't last forever.
Daryl needs to find more arrows soon. He will only get by with having that single one for so long. How on earth does he disinfect it? Especially when he uses it for hunting food and slaying walkers.


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The timeline is wonky, for sure. Most of the time, you can just let it go, because one day is similar to the next. However, a missing person for a week? Even an adult would have a hard time staying alive for that long by themself in zombie land.

I'm also curious about weather changes; it's apparently still summer there, as they've commented on the heat, and everyone is wearing summer appropriate gear. What happens when they get to fall/winter? It's true that the South doesn't get as cold as New England or the Northern Plain states, but you can still get ice storms and freezing weather there. Do they all have winter gear, or do we foresee a raid on a sports store for outdoor gear?

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Daryl needs to find more arrows soon. He will only get by with having that single one for so long. How on earth does he disinfect it? Especially when he uses it for hunting food and slaying walkers.
Maybe he keeps a box of Clorox wipes handy?


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This is a big problem for me, if it has indeed been a week since Sofia went missing, then chances are she is a goner. Most children who are missing for more than 72 hours are not found... and that's before you factor in the flesh eating dead wandering around.
On the other hand, if it hasn't actually been a full week at the least, how the heck is Carl up and moving around after a Gunshot wound followed by surgery to remove multiple bullet fragments from said wound?
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The timeline is wonky, for sure. Most of the time, you can just let it go, because one day is similar to the next. However, a missing person for a week? Even an adult would have a hard time staying alive for that long by themself in zombie land.
Yeah the TV show has been fairly vague as far as how much time passes from show to show. Then again the comic (what I've read of it so far) also seems to be pretty vague about that. Sometimes the story seems to go for a day or two then all of a sudden they mention weeks have passed in an instant. I understand that adds to the overall apocalyptic mood of the story but it makes trying to keep things in context for the reader/audience that much harder.
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Daryl needs to find more arrows soon. He will only get by with having that single one for so long. How on earth does he disinfect it? Especially when he uses it for hunting food and slaying walkers.
If you allow yourself to get picky then things like how Daryl handles his crossbow bolts could drive you crazy. I try to let as much of that go as possible, except when it's truly unavoidable like how Hershel made such a big deal about the bullet in Carl breaking up into six exact pieces before he was able to barely cut into Carl without killing him to know that. Now the kid, so close to death, is apparently up and about in just a few days. Overt stuff like that is just frustratingly sloppy writing.
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I'm also curious about weather changes; it's apparently still summer there, as they've commented on the heat, and everyone is wearing summer appropriate gear. What happens when they get to fall/winter? It's true that the South doesn't get as cold as New England or the Northern Plain states, but you can still get ice storms and freezing weather there. Do they all have winter gear, or do we foresee a raid on a sports store for outdoor gear?
Actually the winter weather in a place like Georgia can be worse to deal with than colder places up north. The relative humidity in the air can make all the difference. I've experienced cold winters in both Florida and up-state New York and I can recall having worse times in Florida's 25 degrees than in New York's -25 just because the humidity in Florida's air makes it feel all that much more bone-chilling.

That being said I assume they will "automagically" start wearing heavier clothing if they ever start filming in colder weather. It'd be easy enough for them to raid houses and/or stores for that kind of thing at some point.


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It's hard enough to accept when a loved one is suddenly killed but it'd probably be even harder to accept that death if that loved one was still sort of shuffling around apparently "almost" alive. *shrugs*
I can see this.

Personally, if I saw the walkers surviving some of the wounds that they do and still getting up and walking around, I would view this as pretty close to proof that the supernatural does exist. If you then have that "proof" added to pre-existing faith, then it is a small leap to conclude that there could be divine intervention at some point.


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I think the whole Sophia plot was a mistake. I haven't read the comics, but I picked up the first two hard backs (first 24 issues, I believe) yesterday. Wish I'd known about that compendium, it probably would've been cheaper. Anyway, as I understand it there is no Sophia plot, and maybe no Sophia at all, in the comics, so they invented that as a reason to keep them at the farm, and it was clearly a miscalculation based on most fan-reaction I read about it.

I just hope this doesn't become a forumla for their "seasons" - one good set-up episode, 3-4 fillers and then one good pay-off episode. That was bad enough with Lost when they were doing 22 episode seasons, but when you only have 6-12? You shouldn't have any shortage of material to fill it with. Or are they worried about getting ahead of the comics? I don't know what issue the comics are on now but the guy at the comicbook store mentioned that it was roughly one issue per episode, give-or-take.


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Sophia does in fact play a huge part in the comics. If they end up killing her off (which seeing as she's been missing for a week without us/the viewers seeing any sign of her.) then that will be the biggest diversion from the comics yet. The other major diversion from the comics appeared last season when they introduced the CDC.

There are a couple more diversions from the comic mostly either missing characters or additional characters. Some believe T-Dog is a replacement for a character from the comics who was a total badass. T-Dog is anything but...

Also, Daryl and Merle were added for the TV show, which is kinda funny because Daryl seems to be the favorite of a lot of people (myself included).


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Honestly, I don't get all the angst over Sophia. It's not at all inconceivable that people just disappear in this scenario and are never seen again. And as a viewer I don't have to be all knowing all seeing and have every answer given to me; it adds to the tension of the show.


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I think the whole Sophia plot was a mistake. I haven't read the comics, but I picked up the first two hard backs (first 24 issues, I believe) yesterday. Wish I'd known about that compendium, it probably would've been cheaper. Anyway, as I understand it there is no Sophia plot, and maybe no Sophia at all, in the comics, so they invented that as a reason to keep them at the farm, and it was clearly a miscalculation based on most fan-reaction I read about it..
Sophia is in the comics, and has some nice small but critical interactions with Carl that have been lacking on the show.

There was no 'missing Sophia' plot, though. And I agree this has been a bit of a boondoggle most likely written in to help fill out storyline as they have tried to get a certain number of episodes without moving past a certain point in the comics. I have a personal prediction on when the season will cutoff, that lines up with what I can see them doing with their pacing.


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I just hope this doesn't become a forumla for their "seasons" - one good set-up episode, 3-4 fillers and then one good pay-off episode. That was bad enough with Lost when they were doing 22 episode seasons, but when you only have 6-12? You shouldn't have any shortage of material to fill it with. Or are they worried about getting ahead of the comics? I don't know what issue the comics are on now but the guy at the comicbook store mentioned that it was roughly one issue per episode, give-or-take.
They have enough material ahead of them to fill out... easily 4 seasons, at a guess. So no real concerns there. At guess, they are just trying to work the narrative to a visual rather than written pace and line up key transition/cliffhanger points. That naturally is leaving some gaps to fill, I just think they have been sloppy in this case, and oddly chosen to leap over some other elements that could have filled an ep without a lot of trouble (subdivision layover, for instance).


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Honestly, I don't get all the angst over Sophia. It's not at all inconceivable that people just disappear in this scenario and are never seen again. And as a viewer I don't have to be all knowing all seeing and have every answer given to me; it adds to the tension of the show.
While that may be true in "reality," it's still poor storytelling, at least in my opinion. To drag a plot point out this long and dangle clues like the bed in the closet and the doll in the creek and then just abandon it altogether - I just can't imagine them not giving the viewers some kind of closure.


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There are a couple more diversions from the comic mostly either missing characters or additional characters. Some believe T-Dog is a replacement for a character from the comics who was a total badass. T-Dog is anything but...
Tyreese's (the character T-Dog is presumed to replace) kid & boyfriend provide a massive plot point that changes the entire dynamic of the series. It is conceivable that that plot point was given by the CDC guy. That would allow for them to not be put into the tv show.



 

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While that may be true in "reality," it's still poor storytelling, at least in my opinion. To drag a plot point out this long and dangle clues like the bed in the closet and the doll in the creek and then just abandon it altogether - I just can't imagine them not giving the viewers some kind of closure.
I agree with both you and MM...I dont really care about this version of Sophia and wouldnt care if nothing is said about her again. At the same time, it is poor storytelling and I dont see anyway of just moving on without some type of closure on this piece. If Herschel says, "get off my farm immediately and dont come back!" (we know that wont happen), the show would still have to deal with the grieving mother aspect.


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fer the love of god, will they just friggin find that missing girl already? The entire half of this season has been about trying to find this kid....will they just find her already? I really dont care at this point if they find her alive, dead or hell even zombified.....just enough already.....


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I am waiting patiently for Sunday night to see if the supposed spoiler I found online regarding Sophia is in fact legitimate. Regardless if it turns out to be true or not, come the 30th it is being posted. Fair warning.


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My biggest issue with the Sophia plot, is that she wasn't really that much of a developed character to start with, so no one really cares about her. And the whole soap opera plot stew that's going on this season is definitely not helping.

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My biggest issue with the Sophia plot, is that she wasn't really that much of a developed character to start with, so no one really cares about her. And the whole soap opera plot stew that's going on this season is definitely not helping.

Do something! Go somewhere!
That was my point as well...like, why do we care?
Sophia who?


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If we look at Sophia as less of a person and more of a catalyst, she's doing a great job. She's giving Darryl a (presumably) way to atone for his sins and his past, Carol a chance to grow closer to someone who isn't an abusive *******, Herschel an opportunity to see that those things are never going to be people again, and Glenn to get his mack on.

Shane needs to die.

Painfully.

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I got my closure. The minute the guns stopped firing, I knew what was coming next.


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SPOILER


Well they found Sophia.


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Well, I can say I didn't expect that.


 

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I knew when they started clearing the barn what was going to happen.

Nice way to place the show on a semi-cliff hanger till February.


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