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True enough; my mother was like that as well. However, we grow to love (and tolerate) our families, so it becomes a bit easier to take. Dale is not in that position, so how will everyone take it if it continues? (Heh, they may not need to take it much longer...) (Not a spoiler, just a thought
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Now that was a good episode. Very little of the Sophia drama and some pretty big divergences from the comics. Methinks Dale is going to meet with a little...accident...at some point.
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And, man, when the dirty laundry gets aired they dump it all out at once.
I expect some series ripples of activity from all the rocks hitting the pond at once, as it were.
So, can we assume that Rick did not learn that Lori was pregnant in the whispered message at the CDC?
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I have to admit, that if that amounts to the entire on-air subdivision reference, I am disappointed. I always considered that a key moment for the group, even if it was minor in the big picture.
The pressure with Shane is really mounting, and Carl is learning how to shoot.......
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Which made me like Daryl even more. He's quickly becoming a favorite character, even though he didn't have much to do this past episode.
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And you'd think that Dale, being as old as he is, would learn to shut his mouth occasionally. I can understand why Glenn felt the need to tell his secrets; he has got two huge ones that could impact the group. However, Dale is apparently a meddler; he took what he knew, and decided he knew what was best for those involved. In regular times, those kind of people get ostracized; what happens to them in post-zombie world?
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If the Sophia arc isn't concluded next week with the mid season finale, I will be really peeved.
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If the Sophia arc isn't concluded next week with the mid season finale, I will be really peeved.
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If the Sophia arc isn't concluded next week with the mid season finale, I will be really peeved.
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Then she won't show up again.
Don't count your weasels before they pop dink!
So I was finally able to kick key personnel off the TV and watch this. Very busy show...in a good way too. A lot of overt and under the surface details in this episode as far as character development and etc. I liked it.
Observations...
1) Poor chickens; its already a rough life to begin, but broken chicken legs too? Oy.
2) So Maggie and Glenn hit the store and again commence with shopping without doing an internal/external 360 of the location. Then Maggie gets pissed at Lori because she was almost eaten while on a run for personal items. Im wondering how pissed she would have been if a walker had crept up on them while doing the nasty and someone got bit when fumbling for a weapon.
3) I dont see Dale as being nosey, a busy body or a meddler. Meddlers, gossip mongers etc rarely have good intentions and the connotation is the issue is usually none of their business. My take on his character is hes very much the concerned grandfatherly type that has age (see wisdom) on his side tempered with the need to guide people in the right direction for the greater good of the family. No doubt in my mind that they are all a family unit now for better or worse, until death do them part.
4) Its been awhile sice I read the comic, but I remember thinking that Lori was a real nag at certain points. Good to see her TV character is staying true to form I suppose.
5) I dont think Dale has much to worry about as far as Shane is concerned. It was a good tension building device considering everyone is saying WTF! reference the Sophia storyline (yaaaahhhhn). Im sure Rick has seen the same "character flaw" (I dont think thats an accurate way of putting it) in Shane that Dale has picked up on...Rick has known the guy his whole life. Ive known guys in the military that I would trust at my back in combat, but wouldnt trust around my wife. Just saying a lot of good people out there with some serious flaws and thats the real world.
6) Sophia who?
7) I cant call Herschel an idiot because his heart is in the right place and I have enough empathy to feel for his situation. I have always classified people in two categories, realists versus theorists and Herschel is the latter. Like Ive said before, he is a very religious person and this shows through his decision making process. Most religious people I know are theorists like Herschel and they usually see things in varying degrees of "what if this?" and "what if that?" Generally speaking, you never want a person like that in charge (theorists have their role to fill and its a strong one) because realists like Rick and Shane are the ones to make the hard choices to help keep people going. All I can say is...poor guy.
8) Daryl becomes more cool and T-Dog less interesting (whens he gonna get eaten?)
Again, good episode and I would be as content as everyone else if Sophia was never mentioned again and the show just moved along.
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Yeah I like Daryl too, he is my favorite person this season. Now I got to wonder what Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick, maybe something about his wife having a STD (cuz of Shane) and now he has it too, although now that I think about it if I found out my husband had a std I would not be quiet about it so just ignore I mentioned the std part, I still wonder what the doctore whispered to him though, do they say in the comic???
Dale honestly should have just kept his mouth shut, it is none of his business what Andrea does, even if she was his daughter (I know she isn't, just stating he is acting like her father) she is a grown woman. Also it is none of his business about the whole Rick, Shane Lori baby triangle thing.
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Well it would be nice to know what happened to Sophia, even if she is dead, true though the dragging on of this is OMG can we get on with it already, the writers just need for the group to either find her alive or find her corpse and very very soon like the next episode.
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So I was finally able to kick key personnel off the TV and watch this. Very busy show...in a good way too. A lot of overt and under the surface details in this episode as far as character development and etc. I liked it.
Observations... 1) Poor chickens; its already a rough life to begin, but broken chicken legs too? Oy. 2) So Maggie and Glenn hit the store and again commence with shopping without doing an internal/external 360 of the location. Then Maggie gets pissed at Lori because she was almost eaten while on a run for personal items. Im wondering how pissed she would have been if a walker had crept up on them while doing the nasty and someone got bit when fumbling for a weapon. 3) I dont see Dale as being nosey, a busy body or a meddler. Meddlers, gossip mongers etc rarely have good intentions and the connotation is the issue is usually none of their business. My take on his character is hes very much the concerned grandfatherly type that has age (see wisdom) on his side tempered with the need to guide people in the right direction for the greater good of the family. No doubt in my mind that they are all a family unit now for better or worse, until death do them part. 4) Its been awhile sice I read the comic, but I remember thinking that Lori was a real nag at certain points. Good to see her TV character is staying true to form I suppose. 5) I dont think Dale has much to worry about as far as Shane is concerned. It was a good tension building device considering everyone is saying WTF! reference the Sophia storyline (yaaaahhhhn). Im sure Rick has seen the same "character flaw" (I dont think thats an accurate way of putting it) in Shane that Dale has picked up on...Rick has known the guy his whole life. Ive known guys in the military that I would trust at my back in combat, but wouldnt trust around my wife. Just saying a lot of good people out there with some serious flaws and thats the real world. 6) Sophia who? 7) I cant call Herschel an idiot because his heart is in the right place and I have enough empathy to feel for his situation. I have always classified people in two categories, realists versus theorists and Herschel is the latter. Like Ive said before, he is a very religious person and this shows through his decision making process. Most religious people I know are theorists like Herschel and they usually see things in varying degrees of "what if this?" and "what if that?" Generally speaking, you never want a person like that in charge (theorists have their role to fill and its a strong one) because realists like Rick and Shane are the ones to make the hard choices to help keep people going. All I can say is...poor guy. 8) Daryl becomes more cool and T-Dog less interesting (whens he gonna get eaten?) Again, good episode and I would be as content as everyone else if Sophia was never mentioned again and the show just moved along. |
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I hear you...idk. If one of the interesting characters was gone then I wouldnt mind so much hanging on for a season to see what happened. I honestly didnt care about the girl much past the "omg where is she?" moment b/c there wasnt anything behind her role at the point she came up missing.
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Well it would be nice to know what happened to Sophia, even if she is dead, true though the dragging on of this is OMG can we get on with it already, the writers just need for the group to either find her alive or find her corpse and very very soon like the next episode.
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They don't say what Dr. Jenner said to Rick in the CDC in the comics because there was no CDC or Dr. Jenner in the comics. However, based on other things that happened in the comics it's likely that what someone said earlier in the thread is what was said. Everyone is already infected.
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Now I got to wonder what Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick, maybe something about his wife having a STD (cuz of Shane) and now he has it too, although now that I think about it if I found out my husband had a std I would not be quiet about it so just ignore I mentioned the std part, I still wonder what the doctore whispered to him though, do they say in the comic???
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I don't really know exactly what the whisper was about but I'm assuming it was something incredibly important like the source of the zombie plague or the key bit of data that might help some other scientist find a cure. Jenner entrusted that knowledge to Rick because he hoped that Rick would be the right man to know what to do with that awesome responsibility.
That whisper was very likely the key plot point of the entire show. You've got to think "big picture" with this.
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Dale honestly should have just kept his mouth shut, it is none of his business what Andrea does, even if she was his daughter (I know she isn't, just stating he is acting like her father) she is a grown woman. Also it is none of his business about the whole Rick, Shane Lori baby triangle thing.
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I think Dale was being a little stupid confronting Shane alone, but I just saw it as an escalation of the final showdown that'll determine Shane's fate with the group.
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Now I got to wonder what Dr. Jenner whispered to Rick, maybe something about his wife having a STD (cuz of Shane) and now he has it too, although now that I think about it if I found out my husband had a std I would not be quiet about it so just ignore I mentioned the std part, I still wonder what the doctore whispered to him though, do they say in the comic???
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1. Everyone is infected with the zombie virus. Jenner could have found this, by running test samples of their blood. Maybe he was hoping to find a person who was not infected, in hopes of finding someone who was immune? However, knowing that they are all infected, he could communicate this in secret, without smashing the rest's hopes. By the way, this could explain why there are so many zombies in the first place, as it seems that zombies pretty much pig out when they get to a buffet.
2. There isn't any more government/authority. Being at the CDC, he would have had access to emergency channels not normally available to non-government agencies, and may have heard reports of other places falling to zombie hordes. Having felt a loss of hope, he wanted to make sure that Rick was not giving false hopes to those following him? Or maybe it was a warning about not going to those places, to try to help them as a last chance at redeeming himself from failing his wife?
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2. There isn't any more government/authority. Being at the CDC, he would have had access to emergency channels not normally available to non-government agencies, and may have heard reports of other places falling to zombie hordes. Having felt a loss of hope, he wanted to make sure that Rick was not giving false hopes to those following him? Or maybe it was a warning about not going to those places, to try to help them as a last chance at redeeming himself from failing his wife?
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Thoughts:
- Wow, that is a serious misappropriation of resources with the chickens.
- Glad to see Carl up and about, but he needs to be sporting the hat!
- I can definitely see how they're setting up the secrets angle just so Rick has something to throw back in Lori's face when it all comes out.
- Yay, Carl has the hat! Now he needs the gun . . .
- Let's see what Dale does with this information.
- Speaking of guns, thank the **** christ they gave Andrea hers and let her claim her sharpshooter status; there was some serious undermining of her character going on for a while there . . .
- Hmm, that whole "Rick is the leader" thing is sort of getting underplayed with Dale going to Hershel about staying on the farm; let's hope we get a scene of the unofficial leaders of the group talking out some of the problems that are arising.
- Finally Carl gets his gun, now he just need to pop one of the barn zombies to save his mother to get her to shut up about it.
- Otis was the only one good with a gun . . . WOMP-WOMP
- That was a good moment with Maggie offering up her perspective on the barn zombies.
- And that wasn't such a good moment with Shane going all drill instructor on Andrea: bit too cliche.
- What if that zombie in the pharmacy has been there this whole time and simply watched Maggie and Glenn go at it last time?
- Arg, it's two steps forward and one step back with Andrea hooking up with Shane.
- I'm pretty surprised that Dale didn't bring up how Shane was banging his best friend's wife when they got into that confrontation.
- Not really caring for Maggie seemingly trying to drive a wedge between Glenn and the rest of his group, but at least later we see Glenn noting how he volunteers to scavenge instead of brooding.
- They probably could have set up Dale's feelings toward Andrea to be more than protective a bit better, perhaps with those simple thoughtful glance shots scattered throughout the series; it's somewhat of a cheap soap opera thing to do, but it works, and Shane's accusation of those feelings wouldn't be so out of left field.
- Lori's pregnancy will definitely come into play when they confront Hershel about staying, but I'm worried that they're throwing too many elements in for when that all comes to a head; Hershel's abrupt breakdown in the comics was quite fitting.
- Finally they let Lori confess everything; I was disappointed when they were dragging that out, so let's see what they can do when these little sources of internal drama have been deflated.
- Also, they need to bring Sophia back, because all the little moments she has with Carl were pretty nice touches in the comics; I'm noticing this as I'm going back to read my volumes.
- What's going to happen when/if Shane gets popped? Will Andrea regress into a sobbing waste of space? Will she leave?
- Also, when/if they introduce Tyrese, will they play up Dale's jealousy if those two start getting friendly, since Carol is getting closer to Daryl?
- I simply cannot wait for the Great Barn Escape so all of the useless characters can be culled; perhaps Sophia will come back zombified and Carol will try to get her into the barn, thus causing the zombie breakout?
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I am getting really tired wit this stupid white girl in the woods schtick! I read the comic and am a proud fan but I want sophia killed off already, find her, her hand, her doll or her clothing and move on please.
I was turned off by the size of shane and the fact that andrea had to grab...lets please go grab dale and start a romance that I actually liked seeing page after page.
In the comic, the one interaction I never see is between Michone and Andrea and when they actually gets the grapes to introduce her, I want to see some Andrea/Michone stoy going on.
Carol needs to get with a black guy...sorry if this sounds wrong and vulgar...
Still miffed that Otis went the way of the fatman...really am as a fellow "Guy of Heft"
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I feel like the TV Dale might be a bit more of a badass than in the comic. In the comic he does pull out some left turns but I feel like the TV dALE is going to be equally insane like shane.
Shane is becoming more and more unhinged and I think stepping up with andrea might turn grandpa into a psycho...yay
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In the comic, the one interaction I never see is between Michone and Andrea and when they actually gets the grapes to introduce her, I want to see some Andrea/Michone stoy going on.
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Ok did you really need to say "stupid white girl" that was not necessary, yes they are dragging it on but still you saying that was not necessary. I don't see anything wrong with Carol getting with Darryl (no he is not black, but for now the only black guy this season is TJ and he is not real interesting character wise), didn't read the comic but there were a few people on here saying that she gets with someone don't remember the name of the guy.
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Last night was amazing!
I am getting really tired wit this stupid white girl in the woods schtick! I read the comic and am a proud fan but I want sophia killed off already, find her, her hand, her doll or her clothing and move on please. I was turned off by the size of shane and the fact that andrea had to grab...lets please go grab dale and start a romance that I actually liked seeing page after page. In the comic, the one interaction I never see is between Michone and Andrea and when they actually gets the grapes to introduce her, I want to see some Andrea/Michone stoy going on. Carol needs to get with a black guy...sorry if this sounds wrong and vulgar... Still miffed that Otis went the way of the fatman...really am as a fellow "Guy of Heft" ...Ok, back to work... |
Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
One thing I'm wondering her is when episode became a "mid-season finale"?
The last I heard, season 2 was only supposed to be 7 episodes. And the show had already gotten signed up for a third season.
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