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The fundamental difference between those examples (Morgan and the Morales family) and Merle and Sophia are that Merle and Sophia were both at least borderline core characters of the main group of characters of the show. There was no "mystery" as to what happened to both Morgan and the Morales because they both chose to do their own thing away from the main group. Sure we can wonder what happened to them, but there was no "mystery" involved with it.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Morgan's plight does get solved. Not till like volume 12 or 13 of the comics. It takes a while and is one of those, "Whatever happened to him?" things at the back of Rick's mind, but he's got a lot of other things to worry about.
There's also the Mexican(?) family that took off during the first season. Though I doubt we'll ever see them again. |
I was just making the point that with Merle we already had a "mysterious departure" from the main group. I've basically considered it kind of silly they've apparently decided to play that same plot twist card again with Sophia so far. Plot twists used multiple times usually end up being cheesy.
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There may end up being some resolution there. There was in the comics.
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Don't forget Morgan from episode one.
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Ok, I usually avoid spoilers, but you people are driving me crazy with the redacted this, and the speculation that. 
Would someone mind sending me a PM to explain what you're talking about? Thanks!
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Exactly, I'm saying I wouldn't put it past them to dangle some plot items (perhaps like Sophia) for longer than a normal TV audience would expect
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
There may end up being some resolution there. There was in the comics.
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I hope not. That plot line has run its course. It's time to resolve it and move on before they start annoying the audience.
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Originally Posted by Chyll
Exactly, I'm saying I wouldn't put it past them to dangle some plot items (perhaps like Sophia) for longer than a normal TV audience would expect
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Originally Posted by Frosty_Femme
I hope not. That plot line has run its course. It's time to resolve it and move on before they start annoying the audience.
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Also, looks like next Sunday we may actually get something interesting at the farm for a change.
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Yeah I don't have any problem with a TV show like this trying things that TV audiences don't normally expect. But in this case (like Frosty_Femme implied) their attempt to focus in on this "Lost Sophia" thing has slowed the momentum of the story down so much that's it's almost become tedious. I think in retrospect they'll realize they spent an episode or two too long on this part of the story.|
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Exactly, I'm saying I wouldn't put it past them to dangle some plot items (perhaps like Sophia) for longer than a normal TV audience would expect
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Originally Posted by Mystic_Fortune
Too late for that, I'm afraid.
Also, looks like next Sunday we may actually get something interesting at the farm for a change. |
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What did happen to Morgan and his little boy? Someone send me a pm please.
Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
They are trying to emulate Lost by making the second season tediously slow and uninteresting. One episode of plot stretched out into 5 or more episodes.
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Cancel the kitchen scraps for widows and lepers, no more merciful beheadings and call off christmas!
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Now that was a good episode. Very little of the Sophia drama and some pretty big divergences from the comics. Methinks Dale is going to meet with a little...accident...at some point.
I do not understanding wasting good food on Walkers. Even if you think they can recover, it's pretty clear they don't starve in any sense that we understand.
Good episode, and Dale has made a big mistake.
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See, it makes sense in the context that Herschel is an idiot. He's unwilling to accept that the people with bits falling off are nothing more than lepers just waiting to get better. He's in extreme denial because his wife and stepson are in the barn. He can't accept the fact that his former loved ones now want to nom on some tasty brains.|
Originally Posted by Mental_Giant
I do not understanding wasting good food on Walkers. Even if you think they can recover, it's pretty clear they don't starve in any sense that we understand.
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He probably also thinks he's being compassionate and a martyr in feeding them, since it means less food for the ones not in the barn.
(Sidenote: They at least mentioned Lacey. In case anyone's wondering, that was the name of one of Maggie's sisters in the comics.)
I've figured out what the walkers eat to survive when there is nothing living to eat. They eat books.
Look at the facts. The group has repeatedly gone into houses, stores, schools, and they have searched tons of vehicles. And yet they only have one book to read and it isn't a very good one.
Walkers have eaten all the other books and magazines.
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I've figured out what the walkers eat to survive when there is nothing living to eat. They eat books.
Look at the facts. The group has repeatedly gone into houses, stores, schools, and they have searched tons of vehicles. And yet they only have one book to read and it isn't a very good one. Walkers have eaten all the other books and magazines. |
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(Yes, yes, I know, horribly stereotypical.)
Considering what Lori told him, Rick is acting a little too good here...
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I'm guessing Sophia is dead at the traffic jam. She returned, saw the sign they left saying to wait there, at up all the food they left, and starved because they haven't hone back to check there! I mean they could at least mention checking back there even if they don't want to waste screen time actually showing that they do...
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I actually thought it was a good episode because many of the "brewing secrets" were finally revealed to key people, but it still sort of amazes me they managed to drag the Sophia arc on yet -another- episode. I really thought this would've been the episode they finally make some definite progress on that.|
Originally Posted by Dark One
Now that was a good episode. Very little of the Sophia drama and some pretty big divergences from the comics. Methinks Dale is going to meet with a little...accident...at some point.
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See, it makes sense in the context that Herschel is an idiot. He's unwilling to accept that the people with bits falling off are nothing more than lepers just waiting to get better. He's in extreme denial because his wife and stepson are in the barn. He can't accept the fact that his former loved ones now want to nom on some tasty brains.
He probably also thinks he's being compassionate and a martyr in feeding them, since it means less food for the ones not in the barn. (Sidenote: They at least mentioned Lacey. In case anyone's wondering, that was the name of one of Maggie's sisters in the comics.) |
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Considering what Lori told him, Rick is acting a little too good here...
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I'm quite sure Rick will confront Shane fairly directly, and given that Shane and Dale butted heads too I suspect there's going to have to be a general confrontation about it. I honestly don't think Shane's long for the group - one way or the other he's leaving the group.
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I'm guessing Sophia is dead at the traffic jam. She returned, saw the sign they left saying to wait there, at up all the food they left, and starved because they haven't hone back to check there! I mean they could at least mention checking back there even if they don't want to waste screen time actually showing that they do...
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I agree with Herschel being in some serious denial. Even if a cure is found what effect could it possibly have on decomposition?
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I agree with Herschel being in some serious denial. Even if a cure is found what effect could it possibly have on decomposition?
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I feel sorry for Hershel because he's (at the very least) going to have his tragic denial broken by Rick or, more than likely, going to be outright killed by his irrational belief that the Walkers are cureable.
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Even Darryl makes the joke that it didn't have any pictures, so no, I don't feel bad about making the Georgia joke.
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Yeah it was horribly stereotypical when you consider it was Daryl (the supposed "backward Georgia redneck") who was the one who was -reading- the book in this episode.
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Even Darryl makes the joke that it didn't have any pictures, so no, I don't feel bad about making the Georgia joke.
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And you'd think that Dale, being as old as he is, would learn to shut his mouth occasionally. I can understand why Glenn felt the need to tell his secrets; he has got two huge ones that could impact the group. However, Dale is apparently a meddler; he took what he knew, and decided he knew what was best for those involved. In regular times, those kind of people get ostracized; what happens to them in post-zombie world?
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Someone is hoarding the TV at the moment so I havent watched the episode yet but whatever Dale did sounds like what my mom does pretty regularly and Im grown.
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Which made me like Daryl even more. He's quickly becoming a favorite character, even though he didn't have much to do this past episode.
And you'd think that Dale, being as old as he is, would learn to shut his mouth occasionally. I can understand why Glenn felt the need to tell his secrets; he has got two huge ones that could impact the group. However, Dale is apparently a meddler; he took what he knew, and decided he knew what was best for those involved. In regular times, those kind of people get ostracized; what happens to them in post-zombie world? |
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I think at this point they know we want an answer about Sophia and I feel like not creating any closure for the audience is a bad move. Even if they don't let the characters know what happened to her, I think they need to let the viewers find out.
It would allow for a much more antagonistic relationship between Rick's group and <REDACTED> and set the stage for more confrontation.
There's also the Mexican(?) family that took off during the first season. Though I doubt we'll ever see them again.