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Its probably b/c I grew up in an urban environment and tend to be more wary (my mind is always working out the angles and bad scenarios that could happen) than I actually need to be or maybe its also b/c Im not 19 and horny every waking moment nowadays...but Im not giving the business to any hotties someplace out in the open like an abondoned store. I dont even like the idea of a couple of people going off together by themselves when its all said and done. Intact windows, cute farmers etc...I rather be overly cautious and say I finally got killed due to no fault of my own like being overun by a herd of walkers than b/c I took 10mins to have sex in an unsecure location. Call me crazy I suppose.

Taking zombies out of the equation altogether, theres also the human threat at this point. There are a lot of evil people in the world even now, can you imagine how uncivilized people will actually be in a world like TWD? They have all been lucky so far, but all it takes is a few Merle types banding together and coming across you and your girlfriend to turn that into a bad situation. You just possibly put yourself at risk of getting killed outright, ransomed for supplies, r-aped, eaten or even putting the rest of the community in danger etc...the fun factor versus the risk statement doesnt line up properly for me.


- agreed, Maggie and Glen are just right for each other looking at the rest of the cast at this point even though I suppose T-Dog would have worked (kind of boring dude, should be the next to go); Darrell has his own vibe and doesnt need a romance to flesh out his character
- yeah, I guess it looked more "secretive" following Lori out and about for the pregnany test instead of her just going to the bathroom
- agreed and would have to boil/treat any water going into my mouth at that point...water for hygiene can be non-potable to a certain point (not sure what that point is though)
- if the military was on the scene and given the order to fire at will, then they were just shooting without much regard to headshots...takes specialized training to get that proficient, most conventional forces dont train to that level


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Unfortunately, season 2 has been a little weak so far. Most of the episodes feel like filler, and the writing seems to be wandering without any real kind of direction in terms of plot. I really wish they'd get back on track. More action, please.


 

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Well...action should be in the next episode, hopefully.

Darryl is the guy I'd want on my zombie team. Dude is badass. Gets stabbed through with a quarrel (but damn, I hope he disinfects that thing from time to time), gets a concussion, ties the thing off/stabilizes it and starts climbing. Ok, the ear thing was a bit...much.

And *snort* to Glenn/Maggie. Especially the burn with the comment about 11 minutes.

Hasn't Herschel ever learned anything regarding the wimmenfolk? Tell 'em to not see a guy is the quickest damn route to them running off with 'em. And let's be honest, as far as potential mates go for Maggie, Glenn is head and shoulders above pretty much anything else she could even reasonably hope to find in post-zombpocalypse world. But of course, given his "reasoning" (as to be potentially shown next episode), wanting to shoo off Glenn makes sense.

Shame that they didn't include the other children that Herschel should've had. It makes some of the stuff to (potentially) come less impactful.



 

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Unfortunately, season 2 has been a little weak so far. Most of the episodes feel like filler, and the writing seems to be wandering without any real kind of direction in terms of plot. I really wish they'd get back on track. More action, please.
I am interpreting that as they decided to use the farm as the anchor, and not move much beyond that in this season, at the same time that they upped the season to 12 episodes... So, suddenly we need to stretch things out a bit - Carl, Sophia, etc. It is a tad annoying.

edit: Bonus points to my daughter who hasn't read the comic, but guessed the significance of the barn on her own as Glenn walked towards it.


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I've been a supporter of the Sophia search from the beginning (although I do agree it's taking too long), but when one of your best assets is almost killed and is now thinking about going Rogue, I think it's time to move on.


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I agree they've probably sat still in this one place a little too long at this point. With a show like this I figure they could probably get away with camping out somewhere for like 2 or 3 episodes tops - anymore and it starts to drag. I was really thinking they were going to resolve the Sophia arc this week and move on.

Now that we've learned that Hershel is a closet "zombie mastermind" with his little collection of zombies I pretty sure things are going to start moving again next episode. I'm positive Glenn won't keep the barn a secret from the group and they'll decide to leave regardless of whatever excuse Hershel tries to come up with.

I seriously do not think the following idea actually happened but wouldn't it be super-creepy if we find out that Hershel somehow had something to do with Sophia's absence along the lines of feeding her to his zombie pets?


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The Sophia angle has run it's course.

With the increase in episodes, I think they (meaning the writers) could afford to slow the pace down a bit. But we need to move on. With only two more episodes till February left, I'd like to see the group moving onward towards their next safe haven. Of course, it will likely end season 2 completely.

I don't really like that Hershel is being presented as an antagonist to the group. Next to Andrea, he was the closest thing to a voice of reason in the comics. He was there to protect his family, but eventually knew Rick was right and did what he could to save the remainder.

Speaking of Andrea, this character is completely unlikable at this point for me. A partial thumbs up for getting to show her starting gun training, but then double thumbs down for a hint at the romance angle with Dale (And yes, I realize how big of an arc it is in the comic book, but it just feels out of place with what's happened in the television show). Though, I suspect it'll end up being more of a Father/daughter relationship angle instead.

The reveal of the farmhouse's content was much nicer in the show, compared to the "Let's show you how we wrangle zombies" in the comic. I think it'll all lead to Rick being forced to make those decisions Shane alludes to.

And Lori still received four thumbs down for being an awkward, stereotypical "I don't know what I really want" female lead. We deserve better from the writers for that character.


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I seriously do not think the following idea actually happened but wouldn't it be super-creepy if we find out that Hershel somehow had something to do with Sophia's absence along the lines of feeding her to his zombie pets?
Or perhaps he knew there was a zombie in that well a few weeks back and purposely sent them to it for water?


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Or perhaps he knew there was a zombie in that well a few weeks back and purposely sent them to it for water?
I was wondering about that... how do you not check your water supplies every few days or so? It seemed fishy to me. On the other hand, the zombie being down there was so obvious that it wouldn't really fool anyone.


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I don't really like that Hershel is being presented as an antagonist to the group. Next to Andrea, he was the closest thing to a voice of reason in the comics. He was there to protect his family, but eventually knew Rick was right and did what he could to save the remainder.
I think we've been seeing a build-up to a confrontation between Rick and Hershel for at least a couple of episodes now. Clearly Hershel at best has only been tolerating their presence on his farm for the sake of Carl. My guess is that if Carl had not been shot and the group had just (for some reason) found Hershel's farm by accident that Hershel would not have let them stay at all. I think this stay on the farm has been an attempt by the writers to show how fleeting the idea of anything being nice post-ZA really is. It's just a tragic way to show the group that even this apparent safe haven is anything but.

I guess we'll have to see how Hershel "explains" why the zombies are locked up in his barn. Depending on what his motivations are will determine (for me at least) whether I consider him a full-blown antagonist or not. But I've got to say I can't really think of a "good" justification for keeping them around so things aren't looking good for a clean parting of the ways here.


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Unfortunately, season 2 has been a little weak so far. Most of the episodes feel like filler, and the writing seems to be wandering without any real kind of direction in terms of plot. I really wish they'd get back on track. More action, please.
I would agree if this was an action based show, but its not...its a drama.


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I guess we'll have to see how Hershel "explains" why the zombies are locked up in his barn. Depending on what his motivations are will determine (for me at least) whether I consider him a full-blown antagonist or not. But I've got to say I can't really think of a "good" justification for keeping them around so things aren't looking good for a clean parting of the ways here.
Its pretty simple the way I see it...
We know hes a religious dude and like most people that have a blind faith in religion, he probably thinks God is going to wave a magic wand, drop a cure out of the clouds and make everything better for "the faithful". All these zombies will snap out of it and go back to being who they were before...friends, neighbors and kinfolk.

If Christianity is your thing, then you know the bible is littered with these kinds of personalities subjected to tests of belief...Abraham is a good example. Take one of my favorite stories, The Book of Job for instance. God asks Satan's opinion on Job and then God gives Satan the power to torture and maim Job and kill most of his family, children, loved ones, servants, livestock just to prove a point.

Hershel is Job and feels he and the rest of humanity are being tested since he has also lost a wife and kid I believe.
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I could see how someone with a leaning towards the Bible might interpret the ZA in biblical terms. But even if Hershel believes that God is testing us or will wave his "magic wand" to cure everyone then what purpose does it serve to coral up a few dozen of them in a barn? Surely if God's going to cure all the zombies then he'd cure them all everywhere whether Hershel keeps a few of them hidden away or not.

Regardless I think the idea of keeping zombies cooped up in a barn is a little deranged no matter how well intentioned Hershel is. I just don't see this going over well with Rick and company at all. No matter what happens to the barn zombies I'm pretty sure this will motivate them to leave the farm. This is why I think there's a very strong probability that the Sophia arc will finally be resolved next week too. They already made the point that finding her doll will allow them to narrow the search so they are going to find her alive, dead or undead soon.


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He has naively stated that he believes a cure will come. Whether or not its biblical (I believe he meant man will find a cure) isn't really relavent. More than likely he has those walkers pinned up because he knew them and he believes its the right thing to hold on to them until the cure comes or he's just being uber compassionate and still sees them as human beings and feels braining them before they are cured as cruel and murderous.

In other words he's not faithful or maniacal, he's an idiot. Burn the barn down!

Another possibility is he's studying them i.e. to see if they starve or "die" of natural causes. He is a vet afterall.


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He has naively stated that he believes a cure will come. Whether or not its biblical (I believe he meant man will find a cure) isn't really relavent. More than likely he has those walkers pinned up because he knew them and he believes its the right thing to hold on to them until the cure comes or he's just being uber compassionate and still sees them as human beings and feels braining them before they are cured as cruel and murderous.

In other words he's not faithful or maniacal, he's an idiot. Burn the barn down!

Another possibility is he's studying them i.e. to see if they starve or "die" of natural causes. He is a vet afterall.
We also know that Hershel supposedly had that "no gun" rule on his farm which supports the idea that he's all about the anti-violence and firmly in the "zombies are people too so we can't hurt them" camp.

I'm pretty sure whatever Hershel's reason for keeping the zombies secret is going to be "kooky" because if he was just keeping them for some kind of scientific study then he probably would've told Rick about them at some point. I think he's kept them secret precisely because he knows that Rick's group just "wouldn't understand" what he's trying to accomplish.

As far as burning the barn down I think we can almost rely on some member of Rick's group doing that before the end of the episode. Just seems way too obvious not to happen.


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After giving the latest episode more thought, I have realized an awful lot happened in disguise of nothing happening.

We learned a lot about where Shane is at. Sure, speculation and interpretation were out there, but he flat out told Lori where his loyalties lay and all but told her that he had abandoned Otis.... In some ways Shane's presence in the story on TV embodies Rick's divided and developing sensibility in the comic. I hope Shane doesn't stay around so long that Rick never develops that backbone...

Sophia... OK, nothing happened with Sophia (mumble grumble).

I have come to very much appreciate Daryl's character. The 'vision' of his brother motivating him to overcome is rote, but it was effectively done. And the exchanges defined a lot of surmised off-screen character/backstory for Daryl into a firmer understanding. I liked it.

I hate Lori, I like Lori, I hate Lori, I like Lori, I want to feed her to a horde... She had a great line telling Shane that his 'making the hard choices" is really just taking the easy option. So true. Other than that, she annoys me as much as she did in print.

Glenn and Maggie's exchanges were awkwardly carried off, but I thought they still managed to convey an exuberant spirit of 'found' desire after the end of the world.

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First real hints were there of Andrea and Dale.

I re-read a section of the Farm a couple of days ago, trying to pin down my memories of how Otis fit in the written story. It is interesting how his role in the show has become so crucial and moving, yet his absence come barn time will be noted (actually the entire household seems smaller on TV, which make events... much different).

I had been anticipating the reveal of the barn for the entire season. I was disappointed and pleased all at once. In reading the comic, the barn seemed to be the only symbol of hope to that point (keeping in mind that the CDC never happened in the comic... the subdivision was pre or post farm? that was the other symbol of misplaced hope pre-prison).

It may be misplaced, but the barn is Herschel's firm hope that his friends and family will come back to him someday. That hope is so strong that he keeps them (even if prudently locked away for saftey). It is so poignant and ultimately tragic. But my sub-title to the story has always been "The Walking Dead: Where No One Gets to be Happy".


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All right. There we go. We finally got a payoff for all the time we've spent on the farm. I should have seen it coming. After all, the farm people sure seemed to have a lot of food on hand even though they didn't seem to have any pigs, chickens, or crops, at least, not on screen. Now, it makes sense.

By the way, am I mistaken, or did Daryl cut off a piece of a zombie's hand and then eat it?


 

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That was the squirrel he bagged earlier.


 

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the subdivision was pre or post farm?
I just recently finished reading up to the current issue of the series and the subdivision was pre-farm. I think they used the CDC in place of the sub-division because they could draw that out into a couple episodes with some *real* safety instead of one episode in the perceived safety of the sub-division. Donna dies either way.


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I had been anticipating the reveal of the barn for the entire season. I was disappointed and pleased all at once. In reading the comic, the barn seemed to be the only symbol of hope to that point (keeping in mind that the CDC never happened in the comic... the subdivision was pre or post farm? that was the other symbol of misplaced hope pre-prison).
It may be misplaced, but the barn is Herschel's firm hope that his friends and family will come back to him someday. That hope is so strong that he keeps them (even if prudently locked away for saftey). It is so poignant and ultimately tragic. But my sub-title to the story has always been "The Walking Dead: Where No One Gets to be Happy".

Wait. You mean that the farm people haven't been using zombies as a food source? Wow. I totally misinterpreted the meaning of last night's final scene.


 

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All right. There we go. We finally got a payoff for all the time we've spent on the farm. I should have seen it coming. After all, the farm people sure seemed to have a lot of food on hand even though they didn't seem to have any pigs, chickens, or crops, at least, not on screen. Now, it makes sense.
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Wait. You mean that the farm people haven't been using zombies as a food source? Wow. I totally misinterpreted the meaning of last night's final scene.
Wow... that was a pretty gross theory as to why Hershel is keeping a coop of zombies in his barn.

Sure I'll grant you that it seems a bit weird that we haven't seen many (if any) normal animals around the farm but I can't really see Hershel stooping so low as to resort to eating zombies. At the very least they can still scavenge supplies from the surrounding towns and as crazy as Hershel might be I just don't think someone who was a medical doctor pre-ZA would be willing to eat diseased flesh much less flesh from former people.

Perhaps if this show was set in a future that was like 10 or 20 years after the ZA then I could almost see the last "normal" people becoming insane enough to eat zombies. But given that it's only been a few months post-ZA I just don't see anyone on the farm being that desperate for food.


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All right. There we go. We finally got a payoff for all the time we've spent on the farm. I should have seen it coming. After all, the farm people sure seemed to have a lot of food on hand even though they didn't seem to have any pigs, chickens, or crops, at least, not on screen. Now, it makes sense.

By the way, am I mistaken, or did Daryl cut off a piece of a zombie's hand and then eat it?
Wasn't the start of the episode panning around a group of cows out in the field? I also imagine Herschel has a store of canned/preserved foodstuffs like tomatoes, peas, beans, various potential fruits, etc., that tend to accumulate during the summer.

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Glenn and Maggie's exchanges were awkwardly carried off, but I thought they still managed to convey an exuberant spirit of 'found' desire after the end of the world.
In other words, pretty much exactly like the awkward mating dance most humans go through at that age.

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I re-read a section of the Farm a couple of days ago, trying to pin down my memories of how Otis fit in the written story. It is interesting how his role in the show has become so crucial and moving, yet his absence come barn time will be noted (actually the entire household seems smaller on TV, which make events... much different).
That's because the household is smaller. In the comics, Herschel had two younger daughters, another daughter similar in age to Maggie, and a son. There's at least two people missing from the household.

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Would have been funny to have the barn zombies all on treadmills with live animals dangled in front of them to keep them walking. That would be a way to explain how the farm has electricty. Sort of a precursor to the Matrix.

Who knows? Maybe Herschel is the Architect!


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Would have been funny to have the barn zombies all on treadmills with live animals dangled in front of them to keep them walking. That would be a way to explain how the farm has electricty. Sort of a precursor to the Matrix.

Who knows? Maybe Herschel is the Architect!
lol

Didn't they show silly things like that to get "useful manual labor" out of the zombies at the end of Shawn of the Dead?


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Would have been funny to have the barn zombies all on treadmills with live animals dangled in front of them to keep them walking. That would be a way to explain how the farm has electricty. Sort of a precursor to the Matrix.

Who knows? Maybe Herschel is the Architect!
They did explain how the farm had electricity. When Rick came up to Herschel and Herschel mentioned the missing horse. Herschel was filling up the gas tank on a home generator, which BTW, was loud as hell and certainly not something I'd want running a lot.